• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Smoking Gun on Jr: Knew the Russian Gvt Wanted Daddy

calamity said:
Uh, oh. This is going to be hard to dodge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html



That is treason. I knew it too, from day 1.

BTW, are these people stupid or what? An email? lol...yeah, that isn't going to get out. :doh
Click to expand...

I remain no particular fan of Donald Trump - his best attribute being he's not Hillary Clinton - and I haven't been paying as much attention to American politics since American liberals and their mouthpieces in the media got so butt hurt when Trump won - but I do find it absolutely pathetic that we're now 6 months into the new Presidency and the left is still obsessed with trying to destroy President Trump and his administration.

From what I've seen, as well as what has been reported today, there really isn't any there there - hasn't been and still isn't.

Does it really surprise Americans that your country's friends and foes alike would have an interest and a strong desire to see one person elected President over another considering how influential and meddlesome the US is around the world? Does anyone believe that Israel, as an example, wanted President Obama elected or re-elected and as a result of not liking him perhaps fed his opposition information related to Obama's relationships with Israel and the Middle East? Hell, all you heard from Obama and his campaign staffers for 8 plus years was how much XYZ government and/or leader loved him, etc.

And let's not kid the troops - the US and agents of the US as well as US interests meddle in other country's elections all the time. It's the height of hypocrisy and arrogance for Americans to now claim shock and outrage that some other country may have been feeding information detrimental to Clinton's campaign.

Time to grow up boys and girls - the Democrats lost the election fair and square - time to work on making your country even better than it now is.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Conspiracy, collusion, lying on security clearance applications,......
Click to expand...
Yup, that is what is being investigated. If they get Jr. they will get Dad.

CanadaJohn, Americans truly don't care what Canada or its citizens think about this issue.

You are right, though, about is one redeeming value. However, he has no others, he has colluded and obstructed, and the FBI will ferret it out.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I remain no particular fan of Donald Trump - his best attribute being he's not Hillary Clinton - and I haven't been paying as much attention to American politics since American liberals and their mouthpieces in the media got so butt hurt when Trump won - but I do find it absolutely pathetic that we're now 6 months into the new Presidency and the left is still obsessed with trying to destroy President Trump and his administration.

From what I've seen, as well as what has been reported today, there really isn't any there there - hasn't been and still isn't.

Does it really surprise Americans that your country's friends and foes alike would have an interest and a strong desire to see one person elected President over another considering how influential and meddlesome the US is around the world? Does anyone believe that Israel, as an example, wanted President Obama elected or re-elected and as a result of not liking him perhaps fed his opposition information related to Obama's relationships with Israel and the Middle East? Hell, all you heard from Obama and his campaign staffers for 8 plus years was how much XYZ government and/or leader loved him, etc.

And let's not kid the troops - the US and agents of the US as well as US interests meddle in other country's elections all the time. It's the height of hypocrisy and arrogance for Americans to now claim shock and outrage that some other country may have been feeding information detrimental to Clinton's campaign.

Time to grow up boys and girls - the Democrats lost the election fair and square - time to work on making your country even better than it now is.
Click to expand...

There absolutely is a there there. The campaign actively solicited damaging information from a foreign entity. That is illegal as ****.
 
Kobie said:
There absolutely is a there there. The campaign actively solicited damaging information from a foreign entity. That is illegal as ****.
Click to expand...

Of course, no one is mentioning the other shoe that is sure to drop.

The Russians weren't doing this to be nice, or because they were big GOP supporters. They wanted stuff. Like Magnitsky repeal. Lifted sanctions. No hassles with Ukraine. And the Trump team apparently delivered just weeks later... by removing some language from the GOP platform on Ukraine.

And Trump, even under the gun, is still protesting any Congressional sanctions on Russia as we speak.

White House criticizes Russia sanctions stalled in House - StarTribune.com
 
Kobie said:
There absolutely is a there there. The campaign actively solicited damaging information from a foreign entity. That is illegal as ****.
Click to expand...

There's no evidence, whatsoever, that they "actively solicited damaging information from a foreign entity". There is an offer, through a third party, not government related, to hold a meeting and according to those in the meeting no such information was solicited or offered. All you really have is your own personal bias and that of the entire American left which leads you to that conclusion.

Perhaps if the Democrats nominated a less tarnished, dishonest, and likely criminal nominee as their standard barer, there wouldn't have been so much oppo-info out there circulating and all kinds of parties wanting to share it.

As for "illegal as ****", I'd appreciate you posting the statutes that were broken and your view as to how they were broken - I've seen no one do so as yet.
 
JamesBY said:
Yup, that is what is being investigated. If they get Jr. they will get Dad.

CanadaJohn, Americans truly don't care what Canada or its citizens think about this issue.

You are right, though, about is one redeeming value. However, he has no others, he has colluded and obstructed, and the FBI will ferret it out.
Click to expand...
Agreed.

And if they get Manaforte, Kushner, or Flynn, they also have a reasonable degree of chance in getting Sr., particularly via Kushner.
 
Threegoofs said:
Of course, no one is mentioning the other shoe that is sure to drop.

The Russians weren't doing this to be nice, or because they were big GOP supporters. They wanted stuff. Like Magnitsky repeal. Lifted sanctions. No hassles with Ukraine. And the Trump team apparently delivered just weeks later... by removing some language from the GOP platform on Ukraine.

And Trump, even under the gun, is still protesting any Congressional sanctions on Russia as we speak.

White House criticizes Russia sanctions stalled in House - StarTribune.com
Click to expand...
Which either speaks to Trumps insanity, delusional narcissism, or Russian having trump totally in their pocket (ostensibly due to dirt on him or some other power over him).
 
Chomsky said:
Which either speaks to Trumps insanity, delusional narcissism, or Russian having trump totally in their pocket (ostensibly due to dirt on him or some other power over him).
Click to expand...

That goes back to the concealing of his tax returns...
 
Who's met with Russians and tried to keep it secret? Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Roger Stone... constantly evolving, could be more

I've never put much stock in ... innocent coincidence.
 
Threegoofs said:
That goes back to the concealing of his tax returns...
Click to expand...
Exactly!

And it says something that a segment of the electorate would catapult a man to the Presidency, without firstly demanding he bare his business and financial relationships!

BTW, did you approve of my earlier use of the term "pocket"?

Old school term from back in the day, as in "He has a cop in his pocket"! ;)
 
Chomsky said:
Agreed.

And if they get Manaforte, Kushner, or Flynn, they also have a reasonable degree of chance in getting Sr., particularly via Kushner.
Click to expand...

Mass pardons are a comin'.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly!

And it says something that a segment of the electorate would catapult a man to the Presidency, without firstly demanding he bare his business and financial relationships!

BTW, did you approve of my earlier use of the term "pocket"?

Old school term from back in the day, as in "He has a cop in his pocket"! ;)
Click to expand...

Nice.

The Chicago term for this is more like: 'Who's your Chinaman?'

That Chinaman would be...Vlad Putin!
 
Threegoofs said:
Nice.

The Chicago term for this is more like: 'Who's your Chinaman?'

That Chinaman would be...Vlad Putin!
Click to expand...
Hah, "Chinaman"! Classic!

Back when the committeeman was the most powerful guy in the ward, and all roads led to the 1st!

And I was well into my late 20's, before I realized "jagoff" wasn't a fighting word anywhere else in the country! It used to be the worst thing you could ever call anyone! Bar none! I really miss the old neighborhood ...
 
Chomsky said:
Hah, "Chinaman"! Classic!

Back when the committeeman was the most powerful guy in the ward, and all roads led to the 1st!

And I was well into my late 20's, before I realized "jagoff" wasn't a fighting word anywhere else in the country! It used to be the worst thing you could ever call anyone! Bar none! I really miss the old neighborhood ...
Click to expand...

We never considered the word to be too bad - that must be an Italian thing.

I do remember making a joke about my Italian buddies sister (something about lips and trailer hitches) and being knocked out of my chair milliseconds after saying it. Don't joke about La Famiglia!

All this talk makes me want to go visit Bruna's on Oakley... maybe later this week....
 
JamesBY said:
Notice the Trumptarians dare dispute the facts here.
Click to expand...

Whats facts? The fact that the same people Trump Jr met with were the same people who the Democrats hired to make the dossier on Trump? The fact that no law was broken? The fact that Democrats are so twisted about losing that everything is now treason?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Threegoofs said:
Of course, no one is mentioning the other shoe that is sure to drop.

The Russians weren't doing this to be nice, or because they were big GOP supporters. They wanted stuff. Like Magnitsky repeal. Lifted sanctions. No hassles with Ukraine. And the Trump team apparently delivered just weeks later... by removing some language from the GOP platform on Ukraine.

And Trump, even under the gun, is still protesting any Congressional sanctions on Russia as we speak.

White House criticizes Russia sanctions stalled in House - StarTribune.com
Click to expand...

Criticizing part of a sanctions bill does not mean they oppose sanctions. Thats just beyond illogical. But what we have come to expect from Democrats.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/united-states-sanctions-russia-ukraine.html


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Aberration said:
Whats facts? The fact that the same people Trump Jr met with were the same people who the Democrats hired to make the dossier on Trump? The fact that no law was broken? The fact that Democrats are so twisted about losing that everything is now treason? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
The facts that the Trumps admitted everything and that Donald Jr released the emails only because he was forced to? And Mueller will decide if laws were broken, aberration, not you.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom