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The Inconvenient Truth about Voter Fraud

Cigar said:
I agree that this shouldn't be the only method ... but if you are a Driver, should't it be automatic?
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No. IMO. Driving has nothing to do with voting. 18, resident, citizen, non felon (in most cases).

Why favor drivers over taxi cab or cyclist users?
 
Seems like states are not willing to part with tax payers funds to help stabalize the fear and increase the preception that our fraud is not an issue in voting.

If all states decided that driver liscense and id cards would automaticlly inroll you in the voting system and id cards were free of charge, this would go a long way to making voter ID proponents happy and decrease the agruement from voter ID opponenets.
The #1 thing the left argues about is that some old person who has never had an ID in there life and is extremly poor and doesnt have the required documents to prove they are citizens will be bared from voting.
Seems like we should be able to use a common sense approach to fix that issue buy making it free and giveing the people a few years to get their **** together before the ID law takes affect would work. Im sure they would still claim that the poor cant afford to order a birth certificate or they were born at home to a poor black family and so on. We should be able to say to those people then sorry you cant vote. Its not voter surpression its the fact that you can prove you are a citizen you could be an illegal immigrant from some other country.
 
The gov can even form an organization with tax payer funds to help these poor individuals get their required documents in order so they can satisfy the requirements to get an ID
 
jdog21 said:
Seems like states are not willing to part with tax payers funds to help stabalize the fear and increase the preception that our fraud is not an issue in voting.

If all states decided that driver liscense and id cards would automaticlly inroll you in the voting system and id cards were free of charge, this would go a long way to making voter ID proponents happy and decrease the agruement from voter ID opponenets.
The #1 thing the left argues about is that some old person who has never had an ID in there life and is extremly poor and doesnt have the required documents to prove they are citizens will be bared from voting.
Seems like we should be able to use a common sense approach to fix that issue buy making it free and giveing the people a few years to get their **** together before the ID law takes affect would work. Im sure they would still claim that the poor cant afford to order a birth certificate or they were born at home to a poor black family and so on. We should be able to say to those people then sorry you cant vote. Its not voter surpression its the fact that you can prove you are a citizen you could be an illegal immigrant from some other country.
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jdog21, that is all well and good, but a couple of hundred violations in a billion votes is meaningless.

Give us some evidence of worth with which we can work.
 
Cigar said:
Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud


Donald Trump has repeatedly alluded to fraud as a reason to introduce controversial voter ID laws, but a News21 analysis and recent court rulings show little evidence that such fraud is widespread.

A study of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases in 50 states between 2000 and 2012 found the level of fraud was infinitesimal compared with the 146 million voters registered over the 12-year period.

The analysis found only 10 cases of voter impersonation, the only kind of fraud that could be prevented by voter ID at the polls.

In further analysis conducted this year, News21 reviewed cases in Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Texas and Kansas, where politicians have expressed concern about voter fraud, and found hundreds of allegations but few prosecutions between 2012 and 2016.

Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud - NBC News


I know this isn't popular among the Forum Faithful, and most would love to just suppress these finding as much as possible, but the TRUTH is The TRUTH ... no matter if you like to read about it or not, it won't stop me from providing the FACTS.

;) I've presented my link with evidence, and I welcome anyone's proof that I'm wrong.

Facts Matter in the real world :mrgreen:
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The Speaker of the California Senate admitted that nearly every illegal alien uses stolen identities in order to stay in the country. These fake identities are complete, with SS cards and other documents needed to fake their way into employment, etc..

How would anyone know these fake people did not vote? Seriously. How would election officials know if people who have created fake identities voted by using them, or not?

 
ocean515 said:
The Speaker of the California Senate admitted that nearly every illegal alien uses stolen identities in order to stay in the country. These fake identities are complete, with SS cards and other documents needed to fake their way into employment, etc..

How would anyone know these fake people did not vote? Seriously. How would election officials know if people who have created fake identities voted by using them, or not?

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The best way to "Convict" someone is to present "evidence".

Therefore, please bring your illegal alien, with their stolen id, to the proper authorities, after you've discovered the Crime of Illegal Voting.

:mrgreen: See how this works?
 
Cigar said:
The best way to "Convict" someone is to present "evidence".

Therefore, please bring your illegal alien, with their stolen id, to the proper authorities, after you've discovered the Crime of Illegal Voting.

:mrgreen: See how this works?
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The point is, I DO see how it works. When will you?
 
JamesBY said:
jdog21, that is all well and good, but a couple of hundred violations in a billion votes is meaningless.

Give us some evidence of worth with which we can work.
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Looking at the court case the fifth distict ruled against the state of texas, which i can no longer find the court arguements on google. The court decided that the law was discrimatory against people of color. There justifications, that the state of texas had a history of doing discrimatory practices, the section 2 of the voting rights act says you cant restrcit someones right to vote for discrimatory reasons, and the old and poor would have a hard time getting a state issued ID because they cant afford to get a copy of their birth certificate which would cost $8 and some older people wernt born in a hospitles so there for wont have any record of there birth certificate anyways.
 
Cigar said:
The best way to "Convict" someone is to present "evidence".

Therefore, please bring your illegal alien, with their stolen id, to the proper authorities, after you've discovered the Crime of Illegal Voting.

:mrgreen: See how this works?
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A question never answered, IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
 
Cigar said:
Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud


Donald Trump has repeatedly alluded to fraud as a reason to introduce controversial voter ID laws, but a News21 analysis and recent court rulings show little evidence that such fraud is widespread.

A study of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases in 50 states between 2000 and 2012 found the level of fraud was infinitesimal compared with the 146 million voters registered over the 12-year period.

The analysis found only 10 cases of voter impersonation, the only kind of fraud that could be prevented by voter ID at the polls.

In further analysis conducted this year, News21 reviewed cases in Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Texas and Kansas, where politicians have expressed concern about voter fraud, and found hundreds of allegations but few prosecutions between 2012 and 2016.

Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud - NBC News


I know this isn't popular among the Forum Faithful, and most would love to just suppress these finding as much as possible, but the TRUTH is The TRUTH ... no matter if you like to read about it or not, it won't stop me from providing the FACTS.

;) I've presented my link with evidence, and I welcome anyone's proof that I'm wrong.

Facts Matter in the real world :mrgreen:
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Years ago in Milwaukee I was summoned to court--along with a slew of other people from the city--over voter fraud. A Democratic non-profit organization had fraudulently cast votes in many peoples names including mine.

I've always voted Democrates but twice in my life. One problem with Democrats is they think they are more right and all knowing than the Pope of Rome and Jesus Christ combined.
 
jdog21 said:
A question never answered, IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
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A question never answered, why would an individual ... who is not a legal resident, risk a 2 years in jail just to Vote? :roll:
 
FastPace said:
Years ago in Milwaukee I was summoned to court--along with a slew of other people from the city--over voter fraud. A Democratic non-profit organization had fraudulently cast votes in many peoples names including mine.

I've always voted Democrates but twice in my life. One problem with Democrats is they think they are more right and all knowing than the Pope of Rome and Jesus Christ combined.
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Oh Look Folks ... only Democrats Vote illegally :lol:
 
Cigar said:
A question never answered, why would an individual ... who is not a legal resident, risk a 2 years in jail just to Vote? :roll:
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Because they are scared of being thrown out of the country by the oposite party, or maybe they were paid to do. You still didnt answer my question
 
jdog21 said:
Because they are scared of being thrown out of the country by the oposite party, or maybe they were paid to do. You still didnt answer my question
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I don't need to, the Facts Speak for themself
 
Cigar said:
Oh Look Folks ... only Democrats Vote illegally :lol:
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I never stated that. But speaking parochially, that is about the City of Milwaukee (a town run by Democrats), fraud involved in voting and voter registration is almost entirely if not entirely a problem with Democrats.

Now, in a city or town run by Republicans that might turn out to be a problem mainly perpetrated by Republicans. I was mainly addressing your dismissal of voter fraud. I don't believe in the honesty of Americans when it comes to the potential of acquiring money, power, or status. So, I think any time an American wants to cash a personal check or company check they should have a photo ID. Simply because I do not believe that all due to their nationality they are innately honest people.



Case in point in a Democratic run city:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Marcy
Pat Marcy (September 6, 1913 – March 13, 1993) was a legendary political boss with great influence over the Illinois Democratic Party. According to Federal prosecutors, as well as informants Robert Cooley and Michael J. Corbitt, he was also a trusted and valued associate of the Chicago Outfit. His official title was, "Secretary of the First Ward." FBI agent William Roemer believed Marcy to be a made man in the Chicago Outfit when Roemer testified before the Senate in 1983.
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Marcy was born in Chicago, Illinois to an Italian American family. His name was originally Pasqualino Marciano until he formally changed it, likely hoping that a non-Italian alias would help his political career.
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You'd have to read Robert Cooley's book to get an idea of the power Marcy had. But needless to say nothing was run "honestly." Marcy was a machine gunner in his younger days for Al Capone.
 
Cigar said:
I don't need to, the Facts Speak for themself
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You say theres no evidence there is voter fraud cuz look at the low number of convictions but you refuse to give an answer to a question
jdog21 said:
A question never answered, IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
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Doesnt seem like you have any interest in a debate of the topic, just want to blab at the mouth at fake made up liberal bull ****
 
There is no evidence of significant voter fraud.

Those who claim differently must bring forth the evidence.

It's not there.

They fail.
 
JamesBY said:
There is no evidence of significant voter fraud.
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Will you answer the question?
IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
 
jdog21 said:
Will you answer the question? IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
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Do you have any significant examples of that happening?
 
jdog21 said:
Will you answer the question?
IF an illegal immigrant decided to impersonate another in order to vote how would their be any evidence or convictions to further the discusion?
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What is with the hypothetical? We can "what if" things all day.....
 
jdog21 said:
The gov can even form an organization with tax payer funds to help these poor individuals get their required documents in order so they can satisfy the requirements to get an ID
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Now thats a great idea. Add that to the tax form. Want to donate $3 to Presidential cmapaign fund? NOPE. But I might to the 'buy an ID for a poor person fund.'
 
jdog21 said:
You say theres no evidence there is voter fraud cuz look at the low number of convictions but you refuse to give an answer to a question

Doesnt seem like you have any interest in a debate of the topic, just want to blab at the mouth at fake made up liberal bull ****
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You can attack me all you want ... really ... it's just the internet.

But in this Country, if you accuse someone of a Crime, you need to show evidence of the Crime.

After all, if someone calls you a Child Molester, should they have to provide evidence?
 
jonny5 said:
Now thats a great idea. Add that to the tax form. Want to donate $3 to Presidential cmapaign fund? NOPE. But I might to the 'buy an ID for a poor person fund.'
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LunaRose said:
What is with the hypothetical? We can "what if" things all day.....
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Again no answers.
Its to show you there is a difference between some type of illegal activity taking place and the amount crimes being investigated and people being rposecuted.
There is no policing of our voter system. At times your vote is not counted cuz your mark was not done clearly enough, or maybe you made an error on your form. You will never be notified that your vote was not counted.
Other times people could be using your name and casting a vote in your place.
All we have is volunteers reading your ballot and if they like what they see the write in down in there book.
This is a reason why there is so many recounts on elections and that there is so much distrust over our voting system.

We should change with the times and embrace new technology. 1. Legislating that pepole show proof of idenity when voting. 2. Having a strict voting registration system. 3. An online data base where only you can log in and see if your voted was counted, thrown away due to error, didnt vote, and who you voted for.
 
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