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The Canadian Government is trying to bypass Trump

FastPace said:
That's fair enough and this Levant guy may be as you describe, I don't know who he is, but I really wasn't using him as an authority. I was asking (whoever it was I posted the video to) if they disagree with his statements about JT, within the first 5 minutes or so of the video.

If he has lost two libel suits that sure does not help strengthen his reputation as being a credible source of info. I agree with you on that. He could be spreading false info on JT's background.
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Levant runs Rebel Media, an Canadian knock off of Breitbart.
 
Mycroft said:
Is this supposed to be an answer to my question? It's not.

I asked who has ever advocated that we "hurt, isolate and abandon our closest allies and trading partners". You article didn't answer that question.

Perhaps you'd like to try again? Or, perhaps you'd like to just walk back your incorrect statement?

Your choice.
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We have hurt our allies by backing out of the Paris Accord, by questioning established science in favor of corporate interests, and making ourselves questionable as military allies against Russia. They don't trust us or even know us anymore. We are also turning our back to decades of consensus on a system of free press and liberal secular democracy which has defined the west until now. What more do you want? So they are moving on without us. We can go play without oursevelves now and make ourselves "great" again as the rest of the world leaves us behind to drive our coal driven horse and buggies.

The Many Ways Trump Has Turned the U.S. Foreign-Policy Consensus Upside Down - The Atlantic
 
ataraxia said:
We have hurt our allies by backing out of the Paris Accord, by questioning established science in favor of corporate interests, and making ourselves questionable as military allies against Russia. They don't trust us or even know us anymore. We are also turning our back to decades of consensus on a system of free press and liberal secular democracy which has defined the west until now. What more do you want? So they are moving on without us. We can go play without oursevelves now and make ourselves "great" again as the rest of the world leaves us behind to drive our coal driven horse and buggies.

The Many Ways Trump Has Turned the U.S. Foreign-Policy Consensus Upside Down - The Atlantic
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You keep presenting someone else's interpretation of events. That is not an answer to my question.

Who has ever advocated that we "hurt, isolate and abandon our closest allies and trading partners"?

btw, since you brought up the Paris Accords, have you seen this:

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Saturday that Turkey will not be ratifying the Paris climate accord, citing President Donald Trump’s decision to abandon the deal.

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Erdoğan asserted that, at Paris, the previous French president (François Hollande) had promised Turkey would be considered a developing economy, rather than an industrialized one, so that it would get money from a global climate fund for cutting carbon pollution instead of having to pay into it.

Unfortunately, when Trump pulled out of Paris, he also said the U.S. wouldn’t cover $2 billion in unpaid commitments to that fund — casting doubt on the fund’s entire future, especially its ambitious goal of proving $100 billion a year in financing to developing countries by 2020. So if Turkey is hinging its ratification of Paris on getting a lot of money from this fund, it might be a long wait, especially if Trump were reelected.

https://thinkprogress.org/turkey-follows-trump-paris-climate-accord-39fb0d573164
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What we have here is proof that the US is considered by all to be the piggy bank of the Accords and other countries are interested in the money...not climate change. The Paris Accord was never about "science". It was about money.
 
RetiredUSN said:
WTO?

Why don't you go check the stumpage pricing that American loggers face, and then do a comparative cost analysis with Canadian loggers.

And then get back to us with your conclusions.
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The stumpage rates have to be lower in Canada to make up for the shipping cost differences. To get a truck of chemical (44 000 lbs from Chicago to Saskatoon Sask (about a 2 days travel time costs $5200 Usd. To get the logs from the forests to the lumber yards to then export markets in Canada by truck I expect has 30% higher shipping costs.

Last but no least, the more northern areas of Canada (of which includes pretty much anything 600 miles from the US boarder is going to be forest. A large supply and low demand equals low price
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The stumpage rates have to be lower in Canada to make up for the shipping cost differences. To get a truck of chemical (44 000 lbs from Chicago to Saskatoon Sask (about a 2 days travel time costs $5200 Usd. To get the logs from the forests to the lumber yards to then export markets in Canada by truck I expect has 30% higher shipping costs.

Last but no least, the more northern areas of Canada (of which includes pretty much anything 600 miles from the US boarder is going to be forest. A large supply and low demand equals low price
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Loggers in Canada often cut at virtually no cost for stumpage on provincial lands..

$5200.00 for a 1300 mile haul............ I want a piece of that action.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Loggers in Canada often cut at virtually no cost for stumpage on provincial lands..

$5200.00 for a 1300 mile haul............ I want a piece of that action.
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The return trip however is an empty load in those cases
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The return trip however is an empty load in those cases
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I was a O/O and I do understand the rates. The liters thing sort of screws with my figuring for trip planing and costs a few minutes, but I got your meaning. I was a lazy ass O/O with a liters to mileage program on my laptop for Canadians loads.
 
Mycroft said:
You keep presenting someone else's interpretation of events. That is not an answer to my question.

Who has ever advocated that we "hurt, isolate and abandon our closest allies and trading partners"?
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Trump and his supporters. This is no interpretation. The German chancellor herself has said she “deplored” the decision by the US to withdraw from the Paris climate change agreement, which is backed by all other G20 leaders except the billionaire businessman. And no, countries like Australia or Germany are not getting any money from the US for doing this. And many have even begun referring to the summit as the G19 plus one over the US opposition to most international agreements. Those are the facts.

The US is becoming increasingly isolated and a Pariah state. It is proving it is not a good neighbor nor does it have any social skills on the international arena. Like any rude and insolent person, it is being isolated by everyone else. The world is now, ironically, looking to Angela Merkel more and more as the leader of the free world. Why? Because she is not ignorant and she is sane, she has class and integrity, and doesn't cuss out and offend and insult everyone like a petty schoolyard bully. That's what makes people look up to you.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is now the 'leader of the free world'
 
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ataraxia said:
We have hurt our allies by backing out of the Paris Accord, by questioning established science in favor of corporate interests, and making ourselves questionable as military allies against Russia. They don't trust us or even know us anymore. We are also turning our back to decades of consensus on a system of free press and liberal secular democracy which has defined the west until now. What more do you want? So they are moving on without us. We can go play without oursevelves now and make ourselves "great" again as the rest of the world leaves us behind to drive our coal driven horse and buggies.

The Many Ways Trump Has Turned the U.S. Foreign-Policy Consensus Upside Down - The Atlantic
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Blah, blah, blah... it was the Brits and French and those "Western allies" that colonized the world and Africa. It was the Russians who helped the indigenous free themselves from them.

They can take the Paris Accord and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. They don't like it? Mount up and lets war. We can let the Russians kick the Germans in the teeth while we turn England into one giant airport.

The Russians got good looking women and St. Petersburg looks like a great place to party. If the Pope doesn't like it they (Muslims in Italy and Europe) can turn St. Peters and all of Vatican City into one big mosque.










Russia Writes Off $20 Billion For African Countries
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ataraxia said:
Trump and his supporters. This is no interpretation. The German chancellor herself has said she “deplored” the decision by the US to withdraw from the Paris climate change agreement, which is backed by all other G20 leaders except the billionaire businessman. And no, countries like Australia or Germany are not getting any money from the US for doing this. And many have even begun referring to the summit as the G19 plus one over the US opposition to most international agreements. Those are the facts.

The US is becoming increasingly isolated and a Pariah state. It is proving it is not a good neighbor nor does it have any social skills on the international arena. Like any rude and insolent person, it is being isolated by everyone else. The world is now, ironically, looking to Angela Merkel more and more as the leader of the free world. Why? Because she is not ignorant and she is sane, she has class and integrity, and doesn't cuss out and offend and insult everyone like a petty schoolyard bully. That's what makes people look up to you.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is now the 'leader of the free world'
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Quit wasting my time.

This was your statement:

ataraxia said:
One of the very many dangerous misunderstandings, false assumptions, and arrogant pretensions of Trumpsters is thinking that if we hurt, isolate, and abandon our closest allies and trading partners, that America will not be seriously hurt in turn.
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You are applying a specific kind of thinking to "Trumpsters". I asked you who, exactly, has said they think this way. You have yet to answer. Instead, you present opinion after opinion from people who are NOT Trumpsters.

You are dismissed.
 
Mycroft said:
Quit wasting my time.

This was your statement:



You are applying a specific kind of thinking to "Trumpsters". I asked you who, exactly, has said they think this way. You have yet to answer. Instead, you present opinion after opinion from people who are NOT Trumpsters.

You are dismissed.
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My quote was:
One of the very many dangerous misunderstandings, false assumptions, and arrogant pretensions of Trumpsters is thinking that if we hurt, isolate, and abandon our closest allies and trading partners, that America will not be seriously hurt in turn.
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... and I am quoting you from our allies and trading partners about their reactions to Trump and his supporters. Sorry you don't like it.

Across the World, Shock and Uncertainty at Trump?s Victory - The New York Times

See ya later...
 
ataraxia said:
My quote was:


... and I am quoting you from our allies and trading partners about their reactions to Trump and his supporters. Sorry you don't like it.

Across the World, Shock and Uncertainty at Trump?s Victory - The New York Times

See ya later...
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LOL!!

I already quoted you...and you quote the same thing? And you STILL don't come up with any Trumpster who thinks "that if we hurt, isolate, and abandon our closest allies and trading partners, that America will not be seriously hurt in turn."

Sorry if you cannot answer my question.

Tschuss
 
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