White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

Cigar said:

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

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I will assume from now on that trump won the general election of legal voters and hillary won the illegal alien/dead people vote

Trump thinks so and so do I

Mac77 said:

I will assume from now on that trump won the general election of legal voters and hillary won the illegal alien/dead people vote

Trump thinks so and so do I

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Wow ... I'd be really embarrassed to know I couldn't even beat out an Illegal Alien and The Dead ... I mean think about it, how stupid are those State Governors and Local elected officials who hire people who can't see the difference?

:mrgreen: that has to be embarrassing.

Cigar said:

Wow ... I'd be really embarrassed to know I couldn't even beat out an Illegal Alien and The Dead ... I mean think about it, how stupid are those State Governors and Local elected officials who hire people who can't see the difference?

:mrgreen: that has to be embarrassing.

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:lamo:lamo:lamo

Cigar said:

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

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Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't the issue all the complaints from the losers of voter fraud, miscounts, hacking, etc.?

That this was what cost Hillary the election? (Among other excuses.)

I acknowledge he had made complaints about the possibility during his campaign, but once a winner...there is no need to undermine your own election with this type of process.

So correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was acting on behalf of the losers who were complaining he did not win fair and square.

Captain Adverse said:

Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't the issue all the complaints from the losers of voter fraud, miscounts, hacking, etc.?

That this was what cost Hillary the election? (Among other excuses.)

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought he was acting on behalf of the losers who were complaining he did not win fair and square.

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Maybe you're a little confused, and I can understand, given it's your Boy that keeps bring it up.

Do you think he's losing a little sleep over Crowd Sizes and Voter Counts, .... still?

Cigar said:

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

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I thought how you voted in the US was supposed to be anonymous? Unless of course the individual decided to provide that information.

Cigar said:

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

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And your side keeps crying Russia, Russia, Russia.

You got beat by the orange clown and can't handle it.

Lord Tammerlain said:

I thought how you voted in the US was supposed to be anonymous? Unless of course the individual decided to provide that information.

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Personally I couldn't care less, but I thought George W Bush settled this several years about with his own investigation.

RetiredUSN said:

And your side keeps crying Russia, Russia, Russia.

You got beat by the orange clown and can't handle it.

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Well you'd have to be deaf, dumb, blind or stupid to not see the same people making the same exclusions in their foreign security forms.

But hey, this will all be over after the money has been followed.

:mrgreen:

Captain Adverse said:

Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't the issue all the complaints from the losers of voter fraud, miscounts, hacking, etc.?

That this was what cost Hillary the election? (Among other excuses.)

I acknowledge he had made complaints about the possibility during his campaign, but once a winner...there is no need to undermine your own election with this type of process.

So correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was acting on behalf of the losers who were complaining he did not win fair and square.

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You're not wrong, however, based on the response you received in post #6 it would appear that eliciting honest debate is not the purpose of this thread.

Cigar said:

Wow ... I'd be really embarrassed to know I couldn't even beat out an Illegal Alien and The Dead ... I mean think about it, how stupid are those State Governors and Local elected officials who hire people who can't see the difference?

:mrgreen: that has to be embarrassing.

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I am not embarrassed to say that illegal voters tried to steal the election from trump but they failed

Lord Tammerlain said:

I thought how you voted in the US was supposed to be anonymous? Unless of course the individual decided to provide that information.

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The trump voter commission cant know who you voted for

Only if you are a legal voter or not

Lord Tammerlain said:

I thought how you voted in the US was supposed to be anonymous? Unless of course the individual decided to provide that information.

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It is anonymous, although everything listed by the D SecState of Kentucky is public record, other than the SSAN which is protected by the Privacy Act of 1970, which the government at all levels still has the right to know to ensure the voter registration is accurate. In fact, you can look up your own or others voting record online in most states. The voting record only states whether you voted or not. No where is there a record that can line up your name with who you actually voted for.

This situation seems like a win-win for the administration. If states do not comply the administration can use that to add fuel to the voter fraud conspiracy. We already see how it will be politically useful with Trump's latest "What are they trying to hide?" tweet. If states do comply they will have to hand over all of their state voter data to a clearly partisan commission. I don't see how they lose here.

Lord Tammerlain said:

I thought how you voted in the US was supposed to be anonymous? Unless of course the individual decided to provide that information.

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I don't know about anywhere else, but here in Arizona they don't keep track of who you vote for. They do track if you vote or not.

Beaudreaux said:

It is anonymous, although everything listed by the D SecState of Kentucky is public record, other than the SSAN which is protected by the Privacy Act of 1970, which the government at all levels still has the right to know to ensure the voter registration is accurate. In fact, you can look up your own or others voting record online in most states. The voting record only states whether you voted or not. No where is there a record that can line up your name with who you actually voted for.

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I went and read the letter that was sent to Maine (I believe) and it cleared things up

They wanted the voting history (which elections, and not which candidate)

On reading the e
From what I read, the information that if pumped into a database could be used to generate a good background on voting in the US. I am sure with only limited information a lot of the information would be counterproductive and provide false data. Given the number of people who have the same name including people in the same family with the same name (ie Senior and Junior's)

Overall I expect the largest source of voter fraud would be from mail in votes rather than people voting 2-3 or more times in person


Here is the letter to Maine

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/06/30/peic.letter.to.maine[2].pdf

In addition, in order for the Commission to fully analyze vulnerabilities and issues related to
voter registration and voting, I am requesting that you provide to the Commission the publiclyavailable
voter roll data for Maine, including, if publicly available under the laws of your state,
the full first and last names of all registrants, middle names or initials if available, addresses,
dates of birth, political party (if recorded in your state), last four digits of social security number
if available, voter history (elections voted in) from 2006 onward, active/inactive status, cancelled
status, information regarding any felony convictions, information regarding voter registration in
another state, information regarding military status, and overseas citizen information

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Lord Tammerlain said:

I went and read the letter that was sent to Maine (I believe) and it cleared things up

They wanted the voting history (which elections, and not which candidate)

On reading the e
From what I read, the information that if pumped into a database could be used to generate a good background on voting in the US. I am sure with only limited information a lot of the information would be counterproductive and provide false data. Given the number of people who have the same name including people in the same family with the same name (ie Senior and Junior's)

Overall I expect the largest source of voter fraud would be from mail in votes rather than people voting 2-3 or more times in person


Here is the letter to Maine

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/06/30/peic.letter.to.maine[2].pdf

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Other factors that could be determined by an audit of the voter records would be whether a registered voter is a citizen and therefore eligible to vote, or a felon and not eligible to vote (depending on the state).

Even some of Trump fellow Republicans in the states can see what an obvious fraud this phony baloney commission is and what its purpose really is.

Captain Adverse said:

Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't the issue all the complaints from the losers of voter fraud, miscounts, hacking, etc.?

That this was what cost Hillary the election? (Among other excuses.)

I acknowledge he had made complaints about the possibility during his campaign, but once a winner...there is no need to undermine your own election with this type of process.

So correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was acting on behalf of the losers who were complaining he did not win fair and square.

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Beaudreaux said:

You're not wrong, however, based on the response you received in post #6 it would appear that eliciting honest debate is not the purpose of this thread.

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Well, then certainly one of you can explain who it was that claimed Trump stole the election with "fraud, miscounts, hacking, etc."

Then you can explain why Trump spent the entire campaign telling his supporters that if HE lost, that it would be because the election was stolen, if he was actually responding to "losers" from the future at the time he said it.

Then you can explain why this is the one and only situation in which Trump feels the need to do anything based on what these "losers" you refer to have said, when his behavior is otherwise to always ignore or attack people he thinks are "losers". Why cater now, in this one respect?

Then, you can square it with Trump's post election claims that Hillary didn't even win the popular vote.

It seems really odd for someone so obsessed, even pre-emptively obsessed, with the idea of voter fraud to establish a voter fraud commission not because he cares about voter fraud, but because unidentified persons allegedly claim Hillary lost due to fraud. In other words: pretending that Trump created the commission because of "losers" complaints has got to be one of the weakest deflection defenses I've seen yet.









Anyway, if we're being honest, you need to admit that no, that wasn't the claim at all from the "losers." In fact, Hillary lost because she idiotically steered her campaign away from a few key states that Obama flipped on the assumption that they'd automatically go for her. Bad candidate, terrible campaign strategy.

If one has been paying attention, one will know that it is the right that has generally been obsessed with supposed voter fraud. But then, even the Bush DOJ couldn't prove any in its 2003-07 search; all they found was about 87 cases of technically invalid ballots in a national election.

Mac77 said:

I am not embarrassed to say that illegal voters tried to steal the election from trump but they failed

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Well I can see you're very much a faith-based individual believing that the election was stolen from Trump is kind of like believing in a deity it is just that a faith

Beaudreaux said:

Other factors that could be determined by an audit of the voter records would be whether a registered voter is a citizen and therefore eligible to vote, or a felon and not eligible to vote (depending on the state).

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Your assumption that all of the various Republican Governors just let clintons numbers slide and trumps loss slide is silly

Cigar said:

For the White House, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time. Donald Trump, annoyed to have lost the popular vote by 3 million votes and compelled by ridiculous conspiracy theories, created an “elections integrity” commission, which was tasked with finding evidence of a voter-fraud problem that exists only in far-right imaginations.

This hasn’t turned out well.

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Grimes (D) wrote on Twitter, “One question: If @realDonaldTrump asked for your address, SSN, birthdate, political affiliation, & voting history, would you give it to him?”

For most of the country, the answer is a resounding no. :lamo

White House election commission becomes a fiasco for Trump, Kobach | MSNBC

The Man Child is still upset that Hillary got more Votes than him ... what a Big Baby :2razz:

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This is such a debacle because the commission is implying that they are free to make information publicly available.


And no I wouldn't have a problem releasing most of that information to a political campaign.

katzgar said:

Your assumption that all of the various Republican Governors just let clintons numbers slide and trumps loss slide is silly

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What?

I think you're directing that at the wrong person.

Beaudreaux said:

What?

I think you're directing that at the wrong person.

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The other factors you're talking about have already been addressed by the various States.