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Senate Republicans Have Asked CBO to Score 2 Versions of Revised Health-Care Bill

And Cruz is suggesting that people in the society who do not need them, not to be forced to pay for them.

The issue is that circumstances may change and the insured may need certain coverages after all: that is what insurance should be covering.
 
Cool ****. He needs to lower regulations on pharmaceuticals too so it doesn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars to even comply with the regulations. If it wasn't so goddamn expensive to meet regulations then it would be a hell of a lot easier to get into the industry.
One, prohibit pharma from advertising on media to consumers. Two, open consumer access to pharma supplies outside of the country.
 
And Cruz is suggesting that people in the society who do not need them, not to be forced to pay for them.

Look I got not use for Stop Lights and Stop Signs, but without them, someone is going to get hurt.
 
Because you're part of a society that needs those things.

That argument sucks. If I don't need something I have no reason to pay for it.
 
One, prohibit pharma from advertising on media to consumers. Two, open consumer access to pharma supplies outside of the country.

You mean just become a banana republic and throw out the first amendment?
 
An interesting gimmick. I guess it will be like getting cancer after 45 years of smoking.

or after 45 years of cell division.
 
Until they do need them. Because humans get sick, grow older and get into accidents. The sick of today were the healthy of yesterday, the old of today were the young of yesterday, and those who are wearing a cast today were up and walking around without one yesterday.

A new narrative in the healthcare debate is the notion that being sick is a statement on the moral character of those who became ill.

Insurance is not health care. If a person wishes coverage for everything attached to healthcare, then a person has to pay for it.

The only moral component that kicks in here is whether this is less moral than somebody else paying for it.
 
The issue is that circumstances may change and the insured may need certain coverages after all: that is what insurance should be covering.

Then if the circumstances change (like have children) then the person changes their policy. Whats the issue?
 
Yea, the CBO forgot to factor in the continuous Republican sabotage, very careless of them.:wink3:

Democrats had complete control of congress and the white house when obamacare was written

The CBO was (and is) in a fog

but the architects of obamacare knew it was a turkey when they enacted it
 
Full title: Senate Republicans Have Asked CBO to Score 2 Versions of Revised Health-Care Bill: Report

This was happening while the country was losing its mind over a tweet of Trump wrestling a person with a CNN logo edited over his head.

GOP Asks CBO to Score 2 Versions of Revised BCRA: Report

It's difficult to understand what would be attractive about a healthcare package that you might be able to pay less for, but would lack all of the protections the ACA offered, such as pre-existing conditions and the ten essential health benefits, because even if you're healthy what would be the point of shelling out so much money for such for such a low value service? And keep in mind this new package (and by "new" I mean "old," because it would offer you healthcare that people received pre-2010) wouldn't be in comparison to one containing all the protections of the ACA. Rather, with the new bill, you would be able to choose between no healthcare protections versus the newer BCRA that cuts medicaid, and offers higher premiums for none of the ten essential health benefits.

I snipped some of your comment to focus on the Cruz proposal. Let's say BCBS offers two policies

1) Does not offer protections for pre-existing conditions, which means if you have one, you're SOL.
2) Allows anyone to get insurance at the same rate, no matter health status.

Doesn't take a genius to see what happens. Everyone healthy gets policy 1) and all the sick people get policy 2), and because policy 2) has all the sick people, premiums will skyrocket for that plan, and sick people will be unable to afford it unless they're wealthy. The only possible purpose this can serve is to say, "We do TOO protect those with pre-existing conditions!" but designing a system that will fail those same people and in a huge way.
 
Democrats had complete control of congress and the white house when obamacare was written

The CBO was (and is) in a fog

but the architects of obamacare knew it was a turkey when they enacted it

Over 52 Town Halls, Congressional Hearings, Personal Q&A with The President and over 13 months Debates.

... as compared to what, 13 White Men Stroking each other in a Room all by themselves? :mrgreen:
 
Who says all people need these 10 essentials for good healthcare?
Why should people without children be required to buy a policy that covers pediatric care? Or people without psychiatric issues or drug addictions policies which cover that?
Or those who do not use prescription medication?

When you develop the crystal ball that lets us all know when we'll get sick, and what kind of care we'll all need, you'll make a fortune. Until then, how do you or I know what we'll "need" before we need it?
 
Over 52 Town Halls, Congressional Hearings, Personal Q&A with The President and over 13 months Debates.

... as compared to what, 13 White Men Stroking each other in a Room all by themselves? :mrgreen:

Considering the Obamacare approach was a turkey, maybe the McConnel approach will be the better way.
 
And Cruz is suggesting that people in the society who do not need them, not to be forced to pay for them.

Way to miss the point. You are part of society. Society's problems are your problems. This strengthens the idea that we are a country of United people. We as Americans should figure out a baseline of insurance policy guarantees and make that the bedrock of healthcare in America. Would you not like to set a standard for American healthcare?

Instead, you seem to be focused on a young, healthy person's ability to pay only for himself, and never anyone else. Our young strapping lad, won't understand my conversation, until the day destiny comes knocking at his door. What would you say, if he was compelled by U.S. law, to pay into coverage for cancer, so, that his neighbor could afford the premiums of a plan that includes cancer treatment? Choosing to compel people to buy plans that they have a probability of one day using is a prudent thing to do; with the tacit admission that one day in the not-so-distant future, it is probable that he may get a colonoscopy revealing some bad news. By this time he will have traded his youth and health in, for age and sickness. And there will be a new round of young people, either compelled by American healthcare standards to guarantee everyone can afford healthcare, or, we can base our healthcare standards around a worldview summed up by the phrase, "me first and the gimme-gimme's".
 
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Then if the circumstances change (like have children) then the person changes their policy. Whats the issue?

That kind of circumstance change is called a "pre-existing conditions" and once you have it, you can no longer buy insurance that covers it. If you can get "insurance" the insurer will charge you the upper actuarial maximum on the cost to treat your pre-existing condition in addition to normal premiums, or exclude the "change" entirely.
 
Until they do need them. Because humans get sick, grow older and get into accidents. The sick of today were the healthy of yesterday, the old of today were the young of yesterday, and those who are wearing a cast today were up and walking around without one yesterday.

A new narrative in the healthcare debate is the notion that being sick is a statement on the moral character of those who became ill.

Without looking at your reply to the same post, I think we came to the same conclusions. My response is in post #41.
 
Over 52 Town Halls, Congressional Hearings, Personal Q&A with The President and over 13 months Debates.

... as compared to what, 13 White Men Stroking each other in a Room all by themselves? :mrgreen:

All that effort and look what a failure obama and the democrats came up with
 
Way to miss the point. You are part of society. Society's problems are your problems. This strengthens the idea that we are a country of United people. We as Americans should figure out a baseline of insurance policy guarantees and make that the bedrock of healthcare in America. Would you not like to set a standard for American healthcare?

My problems are my problems, while your problems are your problems. Stop trying to claim other peoples problems are everyone's problem.
 
All that effort and look what a failure obama and the democrats came up with

Yea :lamo 7 years of Republicans telling you that they're going to repeal it ...

Just like Obama was going to be a one term President.
 
My problems are my problems, while your problems are your problems. Stop trying to claim other peoples problems are everyone's problem.

Thank God, I don't have the same problems as you.
 
Instead, you seem to be focused on a young, healthy person's ability to pay only for himself, and never anyone else. Our young strapping lad, won't understand my conversation, until the day destiny comes knocking at his door. What would you say, if he was compelled by U.S. law, to pay into coverage for cancer, so, that his neighbor could afford the premiums of a plan that includes cancer treatment? Choosing to compel people to buy plans that they have a probability of one day using is a prudent thing to do; with the tacit admission that one day in the not-so-distant future, it is probable that he may get a colonoscopy revealing some bad news. By this time he will have traded his youth and health in, for age and sickness. And there will be a new round of young people, either compelled by American healthcare standards to guarantee everyone can afford healthcare, or, we can base our healthcare standards around a worldview summed up by the phrase, "me first and the gimme-gimme's".

I'll stick with the principles of property rights and the freedom to buy and sell products when you decide it is in your interest.
 
Yea :lamo 7 years of Republicans telling you that they're going to repeal it ...

Just like Obama was going to be a one term President.

I know

The republican leadership in congress including ryan and mcconnell are a joke

They never expected to be in the position of actually being in charge and now they have that deer in the headlights look.

But I never wanted either of them in leadership to begin with
 
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