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Anyone else disappointed in both major political parties?

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I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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I feel a vast majority disfavor how politics has devolved. The duopoly of government is an atrocity to free thinking. The hyper-partisan politics has everything as black and white, good vs. evil. Turn on Liberal media and you can be taught the conservatives are the root of all the countries ills, Switch websites or change the channel and conservative media will explain how the liberals are the root of everything wrong. The country is forced to go along for the ride. 3rd party candidates can not gain the proper foothold to begin a true movement for change; to show there is still shades of grey.
 
Stop trying to deflect an minimize fault ...

The Republicans have been in charge for more than 6 years.

The last 6 months they have been in charge of The Presidency and a Supreme Court Majority ... along with BOTH the House and Senate.

Republicans can't even get their own **** together, so don't put Democrat in the same bed with Republicans.

When you're in Charge, Take Charge and OWN IT!

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I wasn't trying to deflect fault. I'm not a Republican so it's not like I'm trying to make this mess that we are dealing with less than it is. I'm just saying that I feel that our political system has been broken for a while now and that it would be nice if both parties actually stood for something.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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The American people continue to vote for one party or the other. I think nothing will change until that does.
 
Resist said:
I wasn't trying to deflect fault. I'm not a Republican so it's not like I'm trying to make this mess that we are dealing with less than it is. I'm just saying that I feel that our political system has been broken for a while now and that it would be nice if both parties actually stood for something.
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Why do you think there are so many independents nowadays? Pew research thinks close to 50% will be indies by 2020.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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Most people being disappointed in both parties is why Trump is President.
 
rocket88 said:
The American people continue to vote for one party or the other. I think nothing will change until that does.
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True but I do think if someone decent ran third party they would get substantially more votes. Imagine a Bernie Sander or a Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) running as an independent? People are hungry for it there just hasn't been any true leaders. For the most part third party candidates have been odd.
 
I've given this some thought and have been unable to come to a conclusion as to which came first. The liberal/conservative media that pushed people further right and left or were they just the product of a liberal/conservative populace demand for further left/right media to consume? I know that gerrymandering has gotten extreme with the advent of data and algorithms to precisely locate voters and then the studies that spell out the exact terms to use to influence each of those voters. The politicians then respond by catering to the voters who can get them elected and ignore the rest of their constituents. " I am doing what my voters sent me here to do."
So I can't just blame the media, the politicians or the voters. Everyone is to blame, even those of us in the middle. I consider myself an independent voter. I lean fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I do not vote party line, especially locally.
Independent voters outnumber the loud voices on the both sides and we need to stand up and take back the conversation. It is not possible to govern this nation without compromise and both sides of the national parties have made that a dirty word.
 
rocket88 said:
The American people continue to vote for one party or the other. I think nothing will change until that does.
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I doubt the two party system will change in my lifetime. Which does not mean that the country is stuck in the present.

The solution is to change the parties. President Trump is the start for many of us.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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Actually, I'm most disappointed in the "Independent Party" for languishing year after year in disorganized, unfunded and leaderless obscurity. If the data is to be believed, more Americans identify with Independent than either Democrat or Republican, yet they are not just underserved, they are under recognized and very much under established as a "party" that has every right - and arguably, the responsibility to step up. How is it possible that the majority (among the three choices) of voters are allowed to sit by and make either a compromised voting decision cycle after cycle or, as in the election of 2016, make no decision at all?

In U.S., New Record 43% Are Political Independents | Gallup
 
jimbo said:
Most people being disappointed in both parties is why Trump is President.
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Which seems very odd to me. If you're that disappointed, why would you vote for one of them.
 
rocket88 said:
Which seems very odd to me. If you're that disappointed, why would you vote for one of them.
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I didn't. I voted for the candidate who was the least Republican or Democrat. The one who waded through the 20+ best the Republicans had to offer, Then on to the best of the Democrats.
 
jimbo said:
I didn't. I voted for the candidate who was the least Republican or Democrat. The one who waded through the 20+ best the Republicans had to offer, Then on to the best of the Democrats.
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The least Repub or Den candidates were the 3rd party folks.
 
jimbo said:
But they had no chance. Vote Libertarian you just as well stay home.
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If all the people who were frustrated with the 2 major parties voted Libertarian, they would have a chance. Unfortunately, they buy into the same crap you do that it's a wasted vote. I am very comfortable with having voted Libertarian, because I voted for who I thought would make a better President. No noses were held, and I didn't vote to perpetuate a two party system that hasn't exactly worked in America's favor.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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I'm disappointed in the voter who won't stand behind the party with the program and reject the party in la-la land.

Republicans used to be for the people, back when they came up with Social Security, not very Conservative not letting the old and disabled fend for themselves or go to Church now is it?

Democrats; give too much power to Unions, look like crap compared to the Conservative Christians so nobody votes this way. Who wants to have a world filled with ******* and dope? Don'[t you know they want us to go gay for population reduction, which will slow growth. Get those Pharmaceuticals to make a sterile and fertile pill and if you want children you can make an application, two children per woman with voucher lotteries for qualified women to take up any slack.
 
Anyone else disappointed in both major political parties?
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yes. we should have listened to Washington.

George Washington said:
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

Avalon Project - Washington's Farewell Address 1796
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Too bad Adams and Jefferson did not listen
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Were they "Party men"?

How could they have restrained the two Party system?

How did Washington?

Don't blame Adams and Jefferson, although they raped slaves too.
 
Exquisitor said:
Were they "Party men"?

How could they have restrained the two Party system?

How did Washington?

Don't blame Adams and Jefferson, although they raped slaves.
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The political bickering between Adams and Jefferson contributed to the 2 party system, with Adams leading the federalists, while Thomas Jefferson went off to create the Democratic-republican party.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The political bickering between Adams and Jefferson contributed to the 2 party system, with Adams leading the federalists, while Thomas Jefferson went off to create the Democratic-republican party.
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What were they bickering about?
 
Since we can't have no political parties, at least we could have a bunch of them.
 
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