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Anyone else disappointed in both major political parties?

rocket88 said:
If all the people who were frustrated with the 2 major parties voted Libertarian, they would have a chance. Unfortunately, they buy into the same crap you do that it's a wasted vote. I am very comfortable with having voted Libertarian, because I voted for who I thought would make a better President. No noses were held, and I didn't vote to perpetuate a two party system that hasn't exactly worked in America's favor.
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Aren't the Koch brothers Libertarian?
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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Yes. Always. That's why I never joined or supported a political party. I have sometimes voted for the 'lesser evil', but that's always required much nose holding.
 
ModerateRN said:
3rd party candidates can not gain the proper foothold to begin a true movement for change; to show there is still shades of grey.
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Maybe the Libertarian Party should consider not putting up tongue-wagging potheads like Johnson. Then maybe they'd be taken more seriously and might be able to fight the political duopoly.
 
rocket88 said:
No, they're Republicans.
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Pretty sure they're Libertarian. One of the bros ran for VPOTUS in the '80s on the Libertarian ticket.

These guys are crazy, rich as heck and politically dangerous. Dangerous because they want to do away with SS, Medicare or Medicaid. Have battled in court to avoid Workman's Comp settlements and - in general, wouldn't care at all if they had more money and Americans were starving on the streets.

Please read J. Mayer's book Dark Money. It's shocking how impactive they and their brother billionaire activists are.
 
rocket88 said:
The American people continue to vote for one party or the other. I think nothing will change until that does.
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Th two notable efforts in that direction in the last few decades (Ross Perot's Reform Party and the Tea Party) both ended up as pretty much failures (the TP is still around, but their influence has waned substantially). It's interesting that the only real efforts at getting a choice beyond the two parties we have have been carried out by conservatives. Liberals seem to be very happy with the status quo and have viciously attacked any efforts to create a 3rd or 4th party choice no matter what side of the fence they fall on. The Libertarian Party has so little political capital that they are justly considered little more than a side show attraction at the 2 Ring DC circus.
 
pilot16 said:
True but I do think if someone decent ran third party they would get substantially more votes. Imagine a Bernie Sander or a Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) running as an independent? People are hungry for it there just hasn't been any true leaders. For the most part third party candidates have been odd.
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Running for POTUS as a 3rd party candidate is a waste of time at this point. What a 3rd party needs to do is start locally and build on that. Show that they can get stuff done and then work their way up from there. Trying to start at the top and work their way down is formula for failure.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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I think the vast majority of people are. While this only focuses on congress, I think it's a pretty clear reflection of overall happiness with the parties since they're the ones generally in congress:


16% approval rating as of this sept.

Congress Approval Rating Hits Lowest Point of Trump Era


Approve/disapprove over time:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

it is apparently back down to 13%.






Claim (by the Governator):

"Here are some of the things that are more popular than Congress: hemorrhoids, Nickelback, traffic jams, cockroaches, root canals, colonoscopies, herpes. Even herpes, they couldn’t beat herpes in the polls."

Is Congress really less popular than hemorrhoids and herpes as Arnold Schwarzenegger claims? | PolitiFact California

Which, comes from a 2013 set of polls that were admittedly tongue-in-cheek, but given the real approval ratings I'm not sure that the poll responses were that much of a joke. Politifact recounts some of the findings (one can download the poll in pdf form from an in-article link).

Hemorrhoids

-- 53 percent of voters said they had a higher opinion of hemorrhoids than Congress, which was favored by only 31 percent in this matchup, according to the October 2013 survey

Nickelback

-- 39 percent of voters said they had a higher opinion of the rock band Nickelback than Congress, which was favored by only 32 percent

Traffic jams

-- 56 percent of voters said they had a higher opinion of traffic jams, than Congress, which was favored by only 34 percent

Root canals

-- 56 percent of voters said they had a higher opinion of this dental procedure than Congress, which was favored by only 32 percent

Colonoscopies

-- 58 percent of voters said they had a higher opinion of this invasive procedure than Congress, which was favored by only 31 percent

Rated: Mostly true
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The political bickering between Adams and Jefferson contributed to the 2 party system, with Adams leading the federalists, while Thomas Jefferson went off to create the Democratic-republican party.
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I always thought that division between those two was at the heart of the 2 party system. They drew a line in the sand between supremacy of the fed. gov't and supremacy of the states. The battle still rages today with the current crop of Dems. being the "Adams" and the current crop of Reps. being the "Jeffersons".
 
Exquisitor said:
What were they bickering about?
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Adams wanted teh Fed. gov't to be the supreme voice in America with the States following it's instructions, Jefferson wanted the States to be supreme with the Fed. gov't carrying out their wishes (over simplified, but essentially accurate).
 
I can't stand Republicans or Democrats but I sure love Trump!
 
faithful_servant said:
.. and they will still be voting for either an "R" or a "D".
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Well we had what 5% vote third party in 2016 with not so great candidates. Imagine if a Mark Cuban, Dwayne Johnson or Kanye West threw their hats in as an indie or third party.
 
Resist said:
I have to say I really don't like what both the Democartic party and Republican party have devolved into. Both parties seem to be completely out of touch with what Americans want. Also, so many of the politicians that are in office are selling out to big corporations and lobbyists. Instead, of doing what's right for the American people. I feel like when choosing a party to support it's become which party do you dispise the least because they both are missing the mark by a long shot. Anyone else disappointed?
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You have to understand that what you describe is exactly how Germans felt just before Hitler took over. You have to work with the lesser evil or the greater evil will win. Whatever the problems of the German political parties at the time they were a far better alternative than the Nazis. But people were tired and they wanted a change. You don't need a majority for evil to takeover. If the vote is split and evil has good support.

Bannon and his people are an evil.
 
faithful_servant said:
Th two notable efforts in that direction in the last few decades (Ross Perot's Reform Party and the Tea Party) both ended up as pretty much failures (the TP is still around, but their influence has waned substantially). It's interesting that the only real efforts at getting a choice beyond the two parties we have have been carried out by conservatives. Liberals seem to be very happy with the status quo and have viciously attacked any efforts to create a 3rd or 4th party choice no matter what side of the fence they fall on. The Libertarian Party has so little political capital that they are justly considered little more than a side show attraction at the 2 Ring DC circus.
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The Tea Party was never a "third party." They were a Fox-funded Republican organization who went on to be acolytes of Trump.
 
pilot16 said:
Well we had what 5% vote third party in 2016 with not so great candidates. Imagine if a Mark Cuban, Dwayne Johnson or Kanye West threw their hats in as an indie or third party.
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They would still lose... Even of they did get elected, they'd be crippled by having a Congress that would oppose them at every turn in order to sustain their 2 party structure.
 
faithful_servant said:
They would still lose... Even of they did get elected, they'd be crippled by having a Congress that would oppose them at every turn in order to sustain their 2 party structure.
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Of course they would still lose, but they could inflict serious damage to the other two parties. If anyone looks at Maine, they have one of the most unpopular governors. Yet he won re-election with less than 35% of the vote because the indie party did enough damage to suck away over 10-15% of the vote.
 
Not really.
Given the current state of the Republican party and the Republican president and Republican congress, I can easily say that:
- There are former Republican candidates that look like a sunny day in the park compared to the current office holders. There is hope for the party, but it means rejecting bad.
- Democrats in contrast look like holy ****ing saints

Once we get two "relatively" sane parties again, yes I will be disappointed that we don't have more options, and that money corrupts it, that Dems super-delegates protects against people like Trump, but also rejects people like Bernie, and may need revision, that Republicans should not be in bed with Fox news, etc.

The issues and ideals driving the issues are in decent shape for Dems.
They are in tatters and contradiction on the Republican side.

My primary issue right now is Fox news, without that sort of hard-wired party propaganda machine, we'd have a bit more sanity.
 
pilot16 said:
Of course they would still lose, but they could inflict serious damage to the other two parties. If anyone looks at Maine, they have one of the most unpopular governors. Yet he won re-election with less than 35% of the vote because the indie party did enough damage to suck away over 10-15% of the vote.
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The idea here isn't to harm the other parties, but to strengthen the country.
 
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