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Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

God not this again.. no.
 
This "study" is really, really bad.
 
If the DC ELITE were even marginally decent at their day jobs they would leave no stone unturned in finding out the answer.

The are however not that good.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If the DC ELITE were even marginally decent at their day jobs they would leave no stone unturned in finding out the answer.

The are however not that good.
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Nor do they care. Do you think our more progressive or left leaning friends here would be as 'ho hum' or dismissive as they are if it was widely known that illegals preferred Republicans?

I don't know anything about either group conducting the studies so I always take these things with a grain of salt. But. . .it is a FACT, acknowledged by the Obama government, that more than 1 million illegals are using stolen social security numbers so that they can be hired by halfway responsible employers. And this can cause major headaches for the people who were assigned those numbers:

Immigrants stealing U.S. Social Security numbers for jobs, not profits - Americas - International Herald Tribune - The New York Times

IRS Doesn't Tell 1 Million Taxpayers That Illegals Stole Their Social Security Numbers - Fox Nation

And further, the Obama IRS didn't plan to do anything about it.
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/irs-commissioner-illegal-aliens-can-use-stolen-ssns-file-tax-returns

So what are the odds that people who would steal social security numbesr and pretend to be legal citizens would have an easier time of it getting through practically non existent filters so that they can vote?
 
Did tactical vote manipulations by Russian hackers in a few areas give Trump the Presidency? Is a more credible question.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If the DC ELITE were even marginally decent at their day jobs they would leave no stone unturned in finding out the answer.

The are however not that good.
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They are very good at their day jobs serving the substantial people and the donor class.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Did tactical vote manipulations by Russian hackers in a few areas give Trump the Presidency? Is a more credible question.
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Already asked and answered. The FBI is absolutely 100% certain that there is no evidence to even suggest the possibility that the Russians affected the U.S. vote in any way. And the CIA has come to the same conclusion.
 
Fenton Lum said:
They are very good at their day jobs serving the substantial people and the donor class.
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That is one of the sidelines they got into. Another is attempting to micro-manage the lives of Americans, seemingly not understand what a crap job they do with their own lives.
 
Omg, if there really was an illegal voter conspiracy happening, why would the left be so dumb as to only have them vote in places like California? On average about a million more people vote democrat than republican, but thanks to cleverly drawn lines those numbers are mitigated. Why would the Dems not send the 3 million illegal voters to places like my home county to upset the Gerrymandering instead of wasting them on Presidential elections in states whose citizens votes don't count for diddly squat. 1 vote in Florida is worth 1,000 in California. 3 Million illegal voters broken up and spread to the heavily gerrymandered districts would screw the GOP til the next census. If dems are smart enough to pull off massive voter fraud, they are smart enough to realize where to put the voters.

Face it, Trump lost the popular vote because the majority of people in the country didn't want him. And he won the electoral College because of the Winner take all electoral votes rules held by most states. If Electoral votes were distributed by how the people actually voted in their state. Neither Trump nor Hillary would have gotten 270. But Hillary would have definitely gotten more Electoral votes than Trump.

Trump won the election because the game is rigged to keep the GOP relevant. Think about the last Republican President that actually won the popular vote. How long ago was that 20-30 years ago?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Did tactical vote manipulations by Russian hackers in a few areas give Trump the Presidency? Is a more credible question.
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I've never heard anyone in a position to know say they did.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is one of the sidelines they got into. Another is attempting to micro-manage the lives of Americans, seemingly not understand what a crap job they do with their own lives.
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That's your system.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Did tactical vote manipulations by Russian hackers in a few areas give Trump the Presidency? Is a more credible question.
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So the chance that there was information spread that might have influenced a very small % of voters is the same as a fairly strong possibility that MILLIONS of illegal votes were cast. ...and you wonder why the left is rapidly losing relevance.
 
jimbo said:
Who really cares? If even one vote gets cast by someone who is ineligible to vote then that is a problem and should be addressed. But President Trump won the election. The electoral vote is the only vote that counts.
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That might be true for the Presidency, but not true regarding House and Senate races. Could illegal votes have cost Trump having a Senator in the GOP column in Nevada?
 
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