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The Fake President

Phys251 said:
Let's assume for a moment that that's true. Why not, then, just go ahead and have a thorough investigation, get it out of the way, and be done with it? And furthermore, why did Trump keep changing his story on why he fired Comey? Couldn't have had anything to do with that loyalty oath that Comey wouldn't take, would it?
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Emphasis "I think". You think there is truth to the story. So here we are, having an opinion.
Investigations are underway indeed.
 
iguanaman said:
And don't forget Trump is greedy enough to steal money given to help children with cancer and Putin is the worlds richest man (and histories biggest thief). That drew Trump to Putin like a moth to a flame. Money laundering and shady deals are Trump's wet dream.
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He's been laundering money ever since he bought his first casino. It was so lucrative he bought two right next to each other. Of course the Casinos went bankrupt, but his foreign bank account flourished.
 
Glowpun said:
Only the very ill-informed will fall for this trap. EW is a white, Christian female. A jihadist's value system will never allow him/her to such a relationship. They know how to keep their sex urges in check.
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Right. That's why they wrap their women in sheets, and kill them if they wander out on their own. Then their are the little girls they capture....
 
Glowpun said:
So it appears the Russians did apparently help to tip the scale in favor of Trump. No small wonder why Trump has attempted to quash the FBI and other investigations. He then would be their beneficiary.

Why is it very few people seem to be aware of this? Or care?

Why did the Russians want Trump to be president? Simple. Trump owes a lot of money to Russian banks is what I hear and has made him vulnerable.

He is an old man and is viewed as such-vulnerable. Just read and tweets and other behaviors.
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So, no links or any rationale at all?

Why would the Russians want make a change away from the party that gave the Uranium, Crimea, Ukraine and the Middle East?

The Russians must hate success.
 
code1211 said:
So, no links or any rationale at all?

Why would the Russians want make a change away from the party that gave the Uranium, Crimea, Ukraine and the Middle East?

The Russians must hate success.
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Gee, if you really thought about what you wrote and looked at what really happened during the election, you would maybe realize that the party in question did not give them success after all. But, that may be asking too much.
 
calamity said:
Gee, if you really thought about what you wrote and looked at what really happened during the election, you would maybe realize that the party in question did not give them success after all. But, that may be asking too much.
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So you are asserting that the Russians did NOT gain access to 20% of US Uranium, did not annex Crimea, did not invade Ukraine and did not increase its presence in the middle East between 2008 and 2016?

I'm not able to understand what veiled meaning you are trying to imply.
 
code1211 said:
So you are asserting that the Russians did NOT gain access to 20% of US Uranium, did not annex Crimea, did not invade Ukraine and did not increase its presence in the middle East between 2008 and 2016?

I'm not able to understand what veiled meaning you are trying to imply.
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They "gained access" to 0% of U.S. uranium since none of it may be exported without an act of Congress. Putin's annexation of Crimea resulted in crippling multilateral sanctions applied by Obama that ironically appears to be the bargaining chip that Trump's people waved in Putin's face as a reward for their help in the election. Trump tried to get those sanctions lifted the minute he took office. Now the Senate has passed a new sanctions package (with 98 votes) that removes Trump's ability to lift the sanctions as well as applying new sanctions for their election meddling.

Trump administration officials pressed State Department staffers to develop plans for removing sanctions against Russia almost immediately after President Trump took office in January, Yahoo News reported Thursday.

In turn, according to Yahoo News, State Department employees sought to convince lawmakers to codify the sanctions, which were put in place by former President Barack Obama in response to Russia's military intervention in Ukraine and the Kremlin's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

Former coordinator of sanctions policy Dan Fried, who retired from the State Department in February, said that he received phone calls from concerned officials tasked with developing plans to lift the sanctions asking him to intervene and "stop this."
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Trump officials pressed State Department staffers for plans to lift Russia sanctions: report | TheHill
 
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Lovebug said:
Emphasis "I think". You think there is truth to the story. So here we are, having an opinion.
Investigations are underway indeed.
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In Congress? Which ones? Name them specifically. Who's running them?
 
Glowpun said:
So it appears the Russians did apparently help to tip the scale in favor of Trump. No small wonder why Trump has attempted to quash the FBI and other investigations. He then would be their beneficiary.

Why is it very few people seem to be aware of this? Or care?

Why did the Russians want Trump to be president? Simple. Trump owes a lot of money to Russian banks is what I hear and has made him vulnerable.

He is an old man and is viewed as such-vulnerable. Just read and tweets and other behaviors.
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The US has meddled in their share of elections as well.
Actually by all actual reports it had little effect on the election.
 
Oh yeah? Well I heard Maxine Waters is really an old white woman! Nyah!
 
iguanaman said:
They "gained access" to 0% of U.S. uranium since none of it may be exported without an act of Congress. Putin's annexation of Crimea resulted in crippling multilateral sanctions applied by Obama that ironically appears to be the bargaining chip that Trump's people waved in Putin's face as a reward for their help in the election. Trump tried to get those sanctions lifted the minute he took office. Now the Senate has passed a new sanctions package (with 98 votes) that removes Trump's ability to lift the sanctions as well as applying new sanctions for their election meddling.



Trump officials pressed State Department staffers for plans to lift Russia sanctions: report | TheHill
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So, again, the actions cited are not attributed to any individual in particular nor are the sources for the unattributed actions named.

They also cite the efforts of Kushner to set up a back channel to Kremlin which has been revealed to be the Russian participant in the conversation mentioning it in passing with no prodding by Kushner.

More half truth, implied meaning and innuendo reported as fact by our ehtics-free media.
 
Glowpun said:
So it appears the Russians did apparently help to tip the scale in favor of Trump. No small wonder why Trump has attempted to quash the FBI and other investigations. He then would be their beneficiary.

Why is it very few people seem to be aware of this? Or care?

Why did the Russians want Trump to be president? Simple. Trump owes a lot of money to Russian banks is what I hear and has made him vulnerable.

He is an old man and is viewed as such-vulnerable. Just read and tweets and other behaviors.
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Regardless of who your president is, Goldman Sachs is always in the white house running your economy for the substantial people.
 
ludin said:
The US has meddled in their share of elections as well.
Actually by all actual reports it had little effect on the election.
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There is absolutely no way to know how many votes were swayed or how many voters stayed home as a result of the Russian assault. We do know that Trumps margins in the 3 blue states that gave him the victory was a TOTAL of 65,000 votes. So it would not have taken a lot of voters to change the outcome.
 
iguanaman said:
There is absolutely no way to know how many votes were swayed or how many voters stayed home as a result of the Russian assault. We do know that Trumps margins in the 3 blue states that gave him the victory was a TOTAL of 65,000 votes. So it would not have taken a lot of voters to change the outcome.
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If anything, this whole fiasco just proves how incapable Democrats are at accepting there might be an error or flaw in their thinking. Obviously Hillary was the smart and just choice, there is no way other than malfeasance from a powerful outside force interfering in the normal course that could explain how Trump won.

Thus has been born the year of the temper tantrum. You all are so emotionally and to some extent intellectually invested in avoiding accepting that gasp, Hillary actually lost because Trump out campaigned her where it counted. That Hillary was just NOT a good candidate. That when it's all said and done, the number one and two responsible parties for the election of Donald J. Trump are:

Hillary Clinton
The DNC for for making her their nominee

It's easier to accept "Not my fault" than to accept "I was wrong".
 
Renae said:
If anything, this whole fiasco just proves how incapable Democrats are at accepting there might be an error or flaw in their thinking. Obviously Hillary was the smart and just choice, there is no way other than malfeasance from a powerful outside force interfering in the normal course that could explain how Trump won.

Thus has been born the year of the temper tantrum. You all are so emotionally and to some extent intellectually invested in avoiding accepting that gasp, Hillary actually lost because Trump out campaigned her where it counted. That Hillary was just NOT a good candidate. That when it's all said and done, the number one and two responsible parties for the election of Donald J. Trump are:

Hillary Clinton
The DNC for for making her their nominee

It's easier to accept "Not my fault" than to accept "I was wrong".
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What I find unacceptable is that Trump was the better choice over ANYONE. He is by far the worst President in my lifetime and that is only 6 months in. The anger of white people over a black President is the only reason I can think of except Russian interference that makes any sense. Punishing the whole of America because you felt threatened is still a pretty stupid reason for voting for Trump. You will suffer too for your blind tribalism but at least you will deserve it.
 
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