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"I Wish He Was (expletive) Dead!"

Kobie said:
Why was Obama obligated to jump through hoops none of his predecessors ever had to, just to placate a relative handful of dead-enders?

And while Obama producing yet another BC killed off most of the birther movement, it's certainly not dead, as there are still morons running around here and elsewhere claiming he was born in Kenya.
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Is it, or is it not, a requirement for the president to be:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident ...
[h=3]Natural-born-citizen clause - Wikipedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
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Why, yes it is. If there's a question, why is it a problem to produce evidence of such?
 
eohrnberger said:
For quite some time there was legitimate questions surrounding the sealed records of Obama's birth, until released. That pretty much closed the matter, to me anyway. Others? I can't speak for them.

Was there surveillance conducted on Trump and the Trump campaign? Yes. To what extent? Won't known until the records that Obama buried in his library come out. Its appears to be part of the public record that some of the Trump campaign and transition team were unmasked by Susan Rice, or do you dispute this as well?

Perhaps not thousands, but there were some who were celebrating.

As I said, he stretches the truth, just as everyone does, including you. There isn't a human alive that hasn't, so I don't see your justification.
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Either you're drunk on the Trump kook-aid or you're messing with me. Either way, I'm done with you.
 
eohrnberger said:
Is it, or is it not, a requirement for the president to be:

Why, yes it is. If there's a question, why is it a problem to produce evidence of such?
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A "question" asked by partisan shills and conspiracy theorists. Obama, who had already provided ample evidence that he was born in Hawaii, was under no obligation to acquiesce to either.
 
Kobie said:
A "question" asked by partisan shills and conspiracy theorists. Obama, who had already provided ample evidence that he was born in Hawaii, was under no obligation to acquiesce to either.
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What "ample evidence" of which you speak?

If it was so ample, why didn't it kill off the entire topic from the git go? (I'll admit, I always had my doubts that this birther this had anything to it)
Apparently not so ample for some.
 
eohrnberger said:
What "ample evidence" of which you speak?
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Obama posted his birth certificate on his campaign's website in June 2008. That "ample evidence."

eohrnberger said:
If it was so ample, why didn't it kill off the entire topic from the git go? (I'll admit, I always had my doubts that this birther this had anything to it)
Apparently not so ample for some.
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A significant portion of the "birther" movement was NEVER going to be satisfied with anything Obama released. Orly Taitz (remember her?) admitted as much.
 
Kobie said:
Obama posted his birth certificate on his campaign's website in June 2008. That "ample evidence."
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Pretty low bar for 'evidence'. You believe everything you read on the Internet? I surely don't, especially when for political motivations. And yes, that's also a jaundiced eye to rightist sources. A lot of time they are as full of **** as the leftist sources are (CNN being a glaring example).

A significant portion of the "birther" movement was NEVER going to be satisfied with anything Obama released. Orly Taitz (remember her?) admitted as much.
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I don't know who Orly Taitz is, nor am I particularly interested. As I've posted a number of times now, I didn't think this birther thing was legit, especially so after documented to the contrary.
 
eohrnberger said:
Pretty low bar for 'evidence'. You believe everything you read on the Internet? I surely don't, especially when for political motivations. And yes, that's also a jaundiced eye to rightist sources. A lot of time they are as full of **** as the leftist sources are (CNN being a glaring example).
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A birth certificate, verified by the state of Hawaii, on a campaign website is dismissed with "you believe everything you read on the Internet"? Are you joking?

eohrnberger said:
I don't know who Orly Taitz is, nor am I particularly interested.
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If you don't know who Orly Taitz is, maybe you should refrain from discussing the birther movement and its relative merits, since she was a pretty major player in that.

eohrnberger said:
As I've posted a number of times now, I didn't think this birther thing was legit, especially so after documented to the contrary.
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How wonderful.
 
Kobie said:
A birth certificate, verified by the state of Hawaii, on a campaign website is dismissed with "you believe everything you read on the Internet"? Are you joking?



If you don't know who Orly Taitz is, maybe you should refrain from discussing the birther movement and its relative merits, since she was a pretty major player in that.



How wonderful.
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Gee whizz. How 'wonderful'.

All that doesn't really matter anymore anyway.

What matters is how we forge ahead.

Do we forge ahead with the leftists continuing to refuse the reality of a Trump administration? Or not?
Yes. It is the same as the conservatives having to forge ahead with the reality of an Obama administration.

Between the two instances, it seems that back then greater coping skills were apparent than now.

I don't seem to recall that back then there was a force, an ideology, multiple movements, to make the country ungovernable, as there are now.

Is it really better to tear the country asunder because the left didn't get the president it expected?

Surely you can't imagine that the divisiveness, the acrimony, the vitriol being exhibited is actually 'good' for the nation, can you?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sounds like an advantage in Florida....in the summer.

You can have it.
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Actually, the hair, acted as sunblock and kept bugs off exposed skin. Oh well, I got on all my life with out it. Now I know what I looked like with long hair. Everyone should grow it once in their life. Hate to be on my death bed and say "you know, I wonder what that would of looked like" ? Now I know :)
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Actually, the hair, acted as sunblock and kept bugs off exposed skin. Oh well, I got on all my life with out it. Now I know what I looked like with long hair. Everyone should grow it once in their life. Hate to be on my death bed and say "you know, I wonder what that would of looked like" ? Now I know :)
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How is long hair not a negative in hot humid weather?

How is that not uncomfortable, it a the body needs to cool sense?

You can still keep Florida in the Summer...I have no interest.....but I see that Florida is a very popular "move to" state again....
 
Hawkeye10 said:
How is long hair not a negative in hot humid weather?

How is that not uncomfortable, it a the body needs to cool sense?

You can still keep Florida in the Summer...I have no interest.....but I see that Florida is a very popular "move to" state again....
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I used to laugh when women here asked me "isn't that hot? " lol, you tell me, yours is longer than mine.

Well, it blocks the sun, tell you the truth, it is just damn hot either way.

As far as I know fl. has always been a move to state, I am a rarity, a native. LOL
 
eohrnberger said:
Gee whizz. How 'wonderful'.

All that doesn't really matter anymore anyway.

What matters is how we forge ahead.

Do we forge ahead with the leftists continuing to refuse the reality of a Trump administration? Or not?
Yes. It is the same as the conservatives having to forge ahead with the reality of an Obama administration.

Between the two instances, it seems that back then greater coping skills were apparent than now.

I don't seem to recall that back then there was a force, an ideology, multiple movements, to make the country ungovernable, as there are now.

Is it really better to tear the country asunder because the left didn't get the president it expected?

Surely you can't imagine that the divisiveness, the acrimony, the vitriol being exhibited is actually 'good' for the nation, can you?
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My, you have a remarkably short memory.
 
eohrnberger said:
So then, why such a delay in producing them?

Would seem that if they had been presented / released earlier, as they eventually were, it would have killed off this entire bull**** 'birther' thing at the early stage.

So why the delay in doing that?
What was the political advantage not to have done so earlier?

The only conclusion, using typical anti-Trump logic, would be that the entire 'birther' bull**** was self-inflicted, and must have represented some sort of an advantage, perceived or otherwise.

When produced, it was the end of it.
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Obviously, so that when they were produced, everyone with a brain would see how crazy the birthers had been all along.
Unfortunately, not all of the voters were convinced, perhaps lacking in that essential organ.
 
DamnYankee said:
There is scarcely a day that goes by that some leftist isn't saying some dreadful comments about DJT or other GOP'ers. It makes one wonder what kind of mental state does one have to be in to wish death on another based solely on political differences.

My suggestion to all those on the left is give the propaganda you consume every day a rest for a period of time. You may feel better about your life and not be so miserable and angry all the dang time.

Nebraska Democratic Party official ousted after controversial audio recording surfaces | KPTM

Johnny Depp Issues Apology for Donald Trump Assassination Joke | Variety
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Another thread where Conservitards deny that Ted Nugent and others wished Obama was dead.

Another thread where Conservitards deny that Obama was burned and hung in effigy many times.

Another thread where Conservitards act like they're blameless in this behavior and whine about how persecuted they are after 8 long years of violent rhetoric about Obama and the Democrats.

If the Democrats on this forum would hammer them relentlessly on every post in this thread about their hypocrisy, and they couldn't get anything out of us except challenging them ruthlessly on their hypocrisy, they'd stop making these idiotic threads because they'd get drowned out by references to their hypocrisy.
 
eohrnberger said:
Gee whizz. How 'wonderful'.

All that doesn't really matter anymore anyway.

What matters is how we forge ahead.

Do we forge ahead with the leftists continuing to refuse the reality of a Trump administration? Or not?
Yes. It is the same as the conservatives having to forge ahead with the reality of an Obama administration.

Between the two instances, it seems that back then greater coping skills were apparent than now.

I don't seem to recall that back then there was a force, an ideology, multiple movements, to make the country ungovernable, as there are now.

Is it really better to tear the country asunder because the left didn't get the president it expected?

Surely you can't imagine that the divisiveness, the acrimony, the vitriol being exhibited is actually 'good' for the nation, can you?
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The divisiveness is because we will not surrender to Trump's values. It's better to tear the country asunder than to surrender to a set of values that are completely destructive to everyone who's not a rich white CIS hetero male. Because the alternative is no end of suffering to everyone who is not a rich white CIS hetero male.

Ultimately it comes down to not backing down on our values. We're not going to let Conservatives take us back 60 years, culturally. If the Right keeps stealing elections with voter suppression then the nuclear option is rebellion. You're seeing that rebellion in action, and considering that the majority voted against Trump, it's a war you can't win.

And apparently your memory is very weak because "make the country ungovernable" was the CHIEF strategy of the GOP.
 
Zalatix said:
The divisiveness is because we will not surrender to Trump's values. It's better to tear the country asunder than to surrender to a set of values that are completely destructive to everyone who's not a rich white CIS hetero male. Because the alternative is no end of suffering to everyone who is not a rich white CIS hetero male.
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This appears to be founded in the mistaken belief that there politicians that put anyone but themselves first, i.e. the left and the progressives. Fundamentally both seem to agree that life is better for all (not true, only their favored groups) when the people's decisions for themselves and their lives are dictated for them and enforced at the end of the barrel of the government's gun.

The free market provides the most at the least cost, due to it's continued competition. Remove competition by installing regulations, all enforced at the end of the barrel of the government's gun, the result is clear, supply shortages, and poorer service at increased costs. Such are the examples through history, one's that I'd rather not repeat, as once the government has control of something, the government bureaucracy isn't likely to give it's control over it. Best not to have that government control if not needed in the first place, and even if in dire need, extremely limited.

Ultimately it comes down to not backing down on our values. We're not going to let Conservatives take us back 60 years, culturally. If the Right keeps stealing elections with voter suppression then the nuclear option is rebellion. You're seeing that rebellion in action, and considering that the majority voted against Trump, it's a war you can't win.
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There's no "Conservatives take us back 60 years, culturally" going on, at least not hat I can see. What's your unfounded fear?

And apparently your memory is very weak because "make the country ungovernable" was the CHIEF strategy of the GOP.
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Sorry, but no. It's the left and their fermentation of riots, such as we see in Brekley and another locales, all of which is echoed the increased violent rhetoric about 'blow up the White House' 'Assassinate Trump', etc. etc. too many to list them all.

Saw none of that previously, until the left trotted it out, endorsed and supports it.

Sure, there's passionate political rhetoric. Just as surely as there's going over the line. There's a difference there, if you care to notice.

Swap the political positions, do you still support that same behavior? I rather doubt it.

If in reference to the Congressional GOP's legal behavior in congress from '08 on, it's called opposition party for a reason, which is much different. Comparing that to the violence and violent, vitriolic rhetoric now espoused as 'the new normal' by the left is an utterly false comparison, if you ask me.

Where in your false comparison where there riots in the streets, destruction of private and public property, physical attacks with weapons resulting in physical injuries on others whom have a different opinion, all of which we've seen as as of late by the violent leftist protestors / rioters?
 
DamnYankee said:
There is scarcely a day that goes by that some leftist isn't saying some dreadful comments about DJT or other GOP'ers. It makes one wonder what kind of mental state does one have to be in to wish death on another based solely on political differences.

My suggestion to all those on the left is give the propaganda you consume every day a rest for a period of time. You may feel better about your life and not be so miserable and angry all the dang time.

Nebraska Democratic Party official ousted after controversial audio recording surfaces | KPTM

Johnny Depp Issues Apology for Donald Trump Assassination Joke | Variety
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I sure don't wish that. Then we'd get Pence, who represent competent malice.


As much as he embarrasses the nation, I'd rather have Trump. In a weird way, he's sort of like Clinton, in that he tries to respond to whatever it is he thinks people want no matter what his prior position was. He's a scattershot shoot-from-the-hip sort of person, who at least managed not to squander 400 million (billions in real dollars, if you know the term). But um....he's not so great.

He's bad. He embarrasses me. And I can only pray that his self-love eventually leads him to stop behaving like such a twit. But still, as far as a my political beliefs go, it would probably be better for him to be president than for Pence to be president. Pence actually knows what he's doing.



I think anyone who wishes Trump would die is being pretty reckless, nevermind the moral outrage.
 
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