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Trump Finally Says Something i agree With

True. In reality I probably wouldn't trust anyone else with my money, unless I was a lot wealthier than I am now. For me it would take a lot of trust to turn over my hard earned money for someone else to handle. I'd hate to lose everything I had so someone else can live it up.

I'd hate to lose my money because I didn't know enough to make sure that I was investing it properly. Given a choice, I'd rather have Peter Schiff handling my investments than doing it myself.
 
That's so stupid that it amazes me. These people already have all the money they could ever want or need. This is just more hate flowing out of your cracked psyche.

lol...yeah because rich people never want to get even richer. :roll:
 
I'd hate to lose my money because I didn't know enough to make sure that I was investing it properly. Given a choice, I'd rather have Peter Schiff handling my investments than doing it myself.

To each their own. I am sure if I have enough money to invest like that, I have enough money to take even a community college course on finances and just handle it myself. Given a choices, I'd personally handle my own money.
 
You don't understand, this isn't about truth, facts, reality or honesty, it's about pure, unadulterated hatred.

Y'all sure use the word "hate" a lot.

To me, "hate" means I would like to see you die screaming.

What I and most others I know of that you accuse of "hatred" really just want the subject to stop being amoral or stupid assholes.

"Hate" must have been focus-grouped.
 
The question is who Donald Trump consider is poor? Because he also said this.

“This is the president of Goldman Sachs. Smart. Having him represent us, he went from massive paydays to peanuts, to little tiny ...” Trump said. “I’m waiting for them to accuse him of wanting that little amount of money.”

It’s unclear how much Cohn makes as the chief economic adviser to the president (the White House has yet to update its database of administration salaries), and it’s sure to be less than the $285 million departure package he received when he left Goldman Sachs. But the top annual salary for Cabinet officials last year was $176,461, more than three times the average U.S. household income in 2015.

Trump Says He Doesn't Want Poor People In Charge Of The Economy | HuffPost

Also, it can be good to remember that what’s good for businesses isn’t always good for society
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Think for example how Blankenship got a multimillion parachute even if was so bad at his job that he was sentenced to jail for the death of 29 workers.

A Golden Parachute For Don Blankenship of Massey Energy - ABC News

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-don-blankenship-prison-upper-big-branch-mine

Also, if you earn millions of dollars it can be hard to understand the challenges and needs of lowearners and the middleclass.
 
The question is who Donald Trump consider is poor? Because he also said this.



Trump Says He Doesn't Want Poor People In Charge Of The Economy | HuffPost

Also, it can be good to remember that what’s good for businesses isn’t always good for society
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Think for example how Blankenship got a multimillion parachute even if was so bad at his job that he was sentenced to jail for the death of 29 workers.

A Golden Parachute For Don Blankenship of Massey Energy - ABC News

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-don-blankenship-prison-upper-big-branch-mine

Also, if you earn millions of dollars it can be hard to understand the challenges and needs of lowearners and the middleclass.

Psychologically, people only relate their success against their peers.

Comparing themselves to those just above and below their position. Not to those they are massively ahead of.
 
Psychologically, people only relate their success against their peers.

Comparing themselves to those just above and below their position. Not to those they are massively ahead of.

Also that you are rich you can believe that the only way to really contribute to society and be successful is to be rich. While a nurse or police officer can both be more happy and contribute more good to society than an CEO of a tobacco company.
 
Also that you are rich you can believe that the only way to really contribute to society and be successful is to be rich. While a nurse or police officer can both be more happy and contribute more good to society than an CEO of a tobacco company.

Neurochemically, the "wanting" for more money (and power) never decreases, but the pleasure one learns to get from it decreases over time as tolerance is built up.

Pretty much explains the cycles of human history. Where the excesses of those at the top increase to the point the rest of the society has to them to stop. And its never pretty.
 
Not if you're a college kid with a college loan, the substantial people fixed that.

Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
Internalized profit versus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez-faire capitalism for the masses

That's true but, not sure if Trump has a student loan. :wink2:
 
So, in turn, you wouldn't take advantage of US bankruptcy law in order to save your ass?

I would not make a career out of it like Trump has. Bankruptcy is supposed to ease the pain of failure not make you a profit.

From mid-1995 to early 2009, Trump served as chairman of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2004), and held the CEO title for five years (mid-2000 to mid-2005). During Trump’s 13 years as chairman, the casino empire lost a total of $1.1 billion, twice declared bankruptcy, and wrote down or restructured $1.8 billion in debt. Over the same period, the company paid Trump—essentially Trump paying himself—roughly $82 million by Fortune’s estimates, collected from a dizzying variety of sources spelled out in the company's proxy filings, as varied as payments for use of Trump's private plane to fees paid directly Trump for access to his name and marketing expertise.

How Donald Trump Made Millions Off His Biggest Business Failure | Fortune.com
 
So, in turn, you wouldn't take advantage of US bankruptcy law in order to save your ass?

Sure I would. But if I kept getting myself into that predicament that would certainly make me someone you shouldn't trust your money with.
 

I couldn't disagree more. Most economists (the people who actually study economics) are not rich and most of them comprehend the danger of trickle-down "economics". The idea that only rich people know how to run this country is like saying that only over weight diabetics know how to run a candy store. Of course Trump doesn't want anyone who isn't filthy rich in his cabinet, it makes him feel less filthy.

Any wealthy person would tell you that the path to filthy wealth begins with an adjustment to one's personal philosophy. I actually agree that one's state of mind is directly connected to their wallet. Poverty, as many have noticed, can be a self-defeating slide into cynicism and pessimism about the future, where there is a sense that literally NOTHING can change your outlook. There is a flip side to that coin, however. The mindset that allows a person to believe that they deserve extravagant wealth is built upon lies every bit as insidious to our society yet as vital to wealth accumulation as the lies poor people use to explain their condition.

The primary pathology that affects the rich is based upon the lie that resources are limitless, that there is no shortage of anything and, thus, one needn't feel at all guilty that they are eating caviar off of gold-plated plates while others eat **** off of the ground. They kid themselves that they deserve to have educated children while the children of the poor must suffer in ignorance. Behind the legal safety of LLCs they are empowered to pursue wealth acquisition in an environment of moral ambiguity. They aren't screwing over the rest of us, they're just doing their job. You see, each lie creates an apathy to the way others exist. That apathy is at the very heart of so much of conservative policy and it shows.

I am disgusted by the wealth worship that has come to define conservative economics. It is nothing but re-imagined feudalism and the modern version of monarchs, like those of the past, feel entitled to their vaulted position. This dynamic is so bad for humanity that it builds pressure upon the poor until they lash out, as they did in the French revolution. When the poor in the US finally blow, the race to divest and appear of humble means will be a comical display that, ultimately, will not save the heads of the plutocrats. I can't wait to see justice rain down upon these fascists. I hope their pain is as limitless as their political treachery is.
 
Neurochemically, the "wanting" for more money (and power) never decreases, but the pleasure one learns to get from it decreases over time as tolerance is built up.

Pretty much explains the cycles of human history. Where the excesses of those at the top increase to the point the rest of the society has to them to stop. And its never pretty.

Things got so bad with the Russian revolution, the Great Depression, Nazi Germany and WW2, that you got a period with greater equality and prosperity for the middle class in western countries. There you also had people organizing and participating in the political processes and forming unions.

That period ended in the late 1970’s and after that you have seen the rich increase their wealth and arrogance. To the extreme degree that the richest 1 % in the world will soon own 50 % of the global wealth.

Richest 1% to own more than rest of world, Oxfam says - BBC News

While at the same time real income wages for workers in the USA stagnated or even become lower.

For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades | Pew Research Center

My country Sweden is also affected by the last couple of decades of neoliberal polices and we have also seen greater inequality. While we still have strong unions so workers in Sweden have gotten real wages increase. (A bit of an error in the translation tjänstemän mean in this case white collar workers and not civil servants).

https://translate.google.se/transla...i/Aktuell-Pong/31243/EK0203/70546/&edit-text=
 
I couldn't disagree more. Most economists (the people who actually study economics) are not rich and most of them comprehend the danger of trickle-down "economics". The idea that only rich people know how to run this country is like saying that only over weight diabetics know how to run a candy store. Of course Trump doesn't want anyone who isn't filthy rich in his cabinet, it makes him feel less filthy.

Any wealthy person would tell you that the path to filthy wealth begins with an adjustment to one's personal philosophy. I actually agree that one's state of mind is directly connected to their wallet. Poverty, as many have noticed, can be a self-defeating slide into cynicism and pessimism about the future, where there is a sense that literally NOTHING can change your outlook. There is a flip side to that coin, however. The mindset that allows a person to believe that they deserve extravagant wealth is built upon lies every bit as insidious to our society yet as vital to wealth accumulation as the lies poor people use to explain their condition.

The primary pathology that affects the rich is based upon the lie that resources are limitless, that there is no shortage of anything and, thus, one needn't feel at all guilty that they are eating caviar off of gold-plated plates while others eat **** off of the ground. They kid themselves that they deserve to have educated children while the children of the poor must suffer in ignorance. Behind the legal safety of LLCs they are empowered to pursue wealth acquisition in an environment of moral ambiguity. They aren't screwing over the rest of us, they're just doing their job. You see, each lie creates an apathy to the way others exist. That apathy is at the very heart of so much of conservative policy and it shows.

I am disgusted by the wealth worship that has come to define conservative economics. It is nothing but re-imagined feudalism and the modern version of monarchs, like those of the past, feel entitled to their vaulted position. This dynamic is so bad for humanity that it builds pressure upon the poor until they lash out, as they did in the French revolution. When the poor in the US finally blow, the race to divest and appear of humble means will be a comical display that, ultimately, will not save the heads of the plutocrats. I can't wait to see justice rain down upon these fascists. I hope their pain is as limitless as their political treachery is.

Even IMF, the International Monetary Fund warns about the negative effects of todays inequality.

In a new report, Causes and Consequences of Income Inequality: A Global Perspective, the IMF aims to show why policymakers need to focus more on the poor and the middle class. The report determined that income inequality and income distribution matter for growth and its sustainability in a country.

To blame for the rising inequalities are a few different factors, which differ whether in emerging markets or developed economies. Technological progress that led to higher salaries and resulted in some labor market declines, is a big factor in both types of economies and globalization has also reinforced the trend.

It also found that when the income share of the top 20% increases, the country’s GDP declines over the medium term. On the other hand, GDP growth is associated with income increase among the poorest 20% of the population.

IMF study on income inequality - Business Insider

It is also understandable to feel anger against the wealthy elite. While at the same time history have showed that bloody revolution isn’t the answer. Instead for example European Social democrats and American union members in the beginning of 20:th century showed that through organization and solidarity, you could create a lot more equal, just and democratic societies even if the odds were heavily against them.

Also, even things can seem bleak today it can be good to remember that we still enjoy many of their victories today and that we yet again can transform society even if there are great challenges ahead.
 
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Even IMF, the International Monetary Fund warns about the negative effects of todays inequality.



IMF study on income inequality - Business Insider

It is also understandable to feel anger against the wealthy elite. While at the same time history have showed that bloody revolution isn’t the answer. Instead for example European Social democrats and American union members in the beginning of 20:th century showed that through organization and solidarity, you could create a lot more equal, just and democratic societies even if the odds were heavily against them.

Also, even things can seem bleak today it can be good to remember that we still enjoy many of their victories today and that we yet again can transform society even if there are great challenges ahead.

Revolutions happen because the "let them eat cake" attitudes of people like Trump and the meager crumbs they throw to the masses are insufficient. The irony, of course, is that the same scenario gets played out again and again in human history. The wealthiest begin to believe they are better than the poor, increasingly create exploitative policy and then get murdered by them. The middle class is the only buffer between the perpetual anger of the poor and the predictable entitlement of the rich. So, when republicans do things that offer to shrink the middle class, like making healthcare much more expensive and difficult for the middle class as well as the poor to acquire, they are just speeding toward their own funerals.

If there were a non-violent path to equality, it would have been tried. The only thing that the wealthy respect is power and until it's applied, they will push the limits of human greed and arrogance until their game gets trampled. Political means are useless when politics runs on money (by their own design). All the people ever had were pitchforks and torches. Our reticence to use them is our only barrier to a more equitable distribution of resources. If just a few of the wealthy were made examples of, the rest would be rushing to contribute to the greater good.
 
Sure I would. But if I kept getting myself into that predicament that would certainly make me someone you shouldn't trust your money with.

IMO, the US needs to file bankruptcy. Way past time.
 
Revolutions happen because the "let them eat cake" attitudes of people like Trump and the meager crumbs they throw to the masses are insufficient. The irony, of course, is that the same scenario gets played out again and again in human history. The wealthiest begin to believe they are better than the poor, increasingly create exploitative policy and then get murdered by them. The middle class is the only buffer between the perpetual anger of the poor and the predictable entitlement of the rich. So, when republicans do things that offer to shrink the middle class, like making healthcare much more expensive and difficult for the middle class as well as the poor to acquire, they are just speeding toward their own funerals.

If there were a non-violent path to equality, it would have been tried. The only thing that the wealthy respect is power and until it's applied, they will push the limits of human greed and arrogance until their game gets trampled. Political means are useless when politics runs on money (by their own design). All the people ever had were pitchforks and torches. Our reticence to use them is our only barrier to a more equitable distribution of resources. If just a few of the wealthy were made examples of, the rest would be rushing to contribute to the greater good.

You are right in that arrogance and greed amongst many in the economic elite are historical traits, that you also see today. Think just of the health care reform Trump and the Republicans propose that give massive tax cut to the wealthy while millions of Americans risk losing their health care cover.

Even if the inequality in USA already is the worst since the Great Depression. That the top 0.1%’s wealth is almost as much as the wealth of bottom 90% in USA.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...quality-top-01-worth-as-much-as-the-bottom-90

Still there are also other things to learn from history. That we had Swedish people that believed revolution was the only answer so they emigrated to the Soviet Union. There many of them was killed during Stalin’s purges. Also, a big reason for that many German right wing politicians and wealthy supported and accepted Hitler was because of fear of a communist revolution.

Also, it’s much easier and safe to engage in political activity and work for change today than it was in the beginning of the 20:th century.

That you for example had Ludlow Massacre in USA, that left between 19 and 26 people dead, including two women and eleven children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

You also had Joe Hill that most likely was framed for murder and then executed in Utah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hill

Even here in Sweden we had workers killed by the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ådalen_shootings

That today you don’t have the same risks and also a lot of means for peacefully struggle for a more equal, just and democratic society.
 
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