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Democrat Party Extinction?

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Casca XV

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Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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nah your just masturbating to a straw man of your own making hoping to turn it into a circle jerk
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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In 2009 the Democrats had the Presidency, 60% of the House seats, 60% of the Senate seats, 29 Governorships, and controlled both houses of a majority of state legislators. Republicans lost all five of the special elections to the House that year.

And many Democrats were asking the very same question you're asking here, but about the Republicans. With so much Democratic winning it was obvious to them that the Republicans were finished as a party, possibly only becoming a regional party in the South.
 
I remember DEMs making this same mistake in 2009, though unfortunately for DEMs it was done at the highest levels of the party, as well as at debate sites.

This GOParty is not that foolish, as we saw with the tens of millions they dumped into 4 safe specials. This is the GOParty of REDMAP 2010 and now 2020 .
 
Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change hits full force and reduces the GOP to a minor,regional,party.


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

:lol:

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
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Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change hits full force and reduces the GOP to a minor,regional,party.


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

:lol:
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When the GOP inevitably loses, they'll go back to screaming "voter fraud!" and "illegal aliens". Heck, they scream about voter fraud and illegal aliens even when they win...
 
Anagram said:
In 2009 the Democrats had the Presidency, 60% of the House seats, 60% of the Senate seats, 29 Governorships, and controlled both houses of a majority of state legislators. Republicans lost all five of the special elections to the House that year.

And many Democrats were asking the very same question you're asking here, but about the Republicans. With so much Democratic winning it was obvious to them that the Republicans were finished as a party, possibly only becoming a regional party in the South.
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Yes, except that series of Democrat wins was the shortest in US History. The current series of GOP wins is one of the longest and Dems are weaker than they have been in almost 100 years.

This is about an overall Pessimistic vs. Optimistic message. Bill Clinton was Optimistic. Sanders and Warren are nothing but pessimistic.

There are times when a pessimistic massage works (War & Recession) but overall people prefer the optimistic and will stay with it longer.

With out strife and pessimism Leftist politicians have nothing to sell.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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Wouldn't it be great if both parties wound up on the Dustbin of History? Imagine Washington with no partisanship. All decisions based on the good of the country and pragmatism. But alas I think the demise of the democratic party, just like predictions of the demise of the Republican Party, have been greatly exaggerated. We're likely to have to put up with both of them for quite some time.
 
shrubnose said:
Come back and tell us all about it in about 50 years after massive demographic change hits full force and reduces the GOP to a minor,regional,party.


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

:lol:

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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Like I said, stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world votes is one of the Leftist strategy's for winning.

Hopefully before your fantasy of America becoming a 3rd world socialist hell hole comes true, that possible new majority will realize what made America the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history in the first place and try to maintain it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Wouldn't it be great if both parties wound up on the Dustbin of History? Imagine Washington with no partisanship. All decisions based on the good of the country and pragmatism. But alas I think the demise of the democratic party, just like predictions of the demise of the Republican Party, have been greatly exaggerated. We're likely to have to put up with both of them for quite some time.
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I would love that as long as the ideologies that limit individual freedom go on the dustbin of history as well.
 
Casca XV said:
Yes, except that series of Democrat wins was the shortest in US History. The current series of GOP wins is one of the longest and Dems are weaker than they have been in almost 100 years.

This is about an overall Pessimistic vs. Optimistic message. Bill Clinton was Optimistic. Sanders and Warren are nothing but pessimistic.

There are times when a pessimistic massage works (War & Recession) but overall people prefer the optimistic and will stay with it longer.

With out strife and pessimism Leftist politicians have nothing to sell.
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Dems won the Presidency and picked up House and Senate streaks in 2012. Republicans' streak is only the last two. And even then I'd frame last year as more of a tie, with Trump being less then a percent in WI, PA, and MI from losing, and Dems picking up a handful of House and Senate seats.

The overconfidence on this forum is seriously concerning, and I fear there's some of it in the National party as well.
 
Anagram said:
Dems won the Presidency and picked up House and Senate streaks in 2012. Republicans' streak is only the last two. And even then I'd frame last year as more of a tie, with Trump being less then a percent in WI, PA, and MI from losing, and Dems picking up a handful of House and Senate seats.

The overconfidence on this forum is seriously concerning, and I fear there's some of it in the National party as well.
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Like I said, the GOP has won 90% of all elections since 2010. Pointing out some of the 10% they lost is not a good argument.
 
Casca XV said:
Like I said, the GOP has won 90% of all elections since 2010. Pointing out some of the 10% they lost is not a good argument.
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They have not won 90% of elections. Not even close to that. And their current position is not terribly exceptional historically. To go back to a party as dominant as the GOP is now, you merely have to go back to 2009.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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The party isn't going to be come extinct. its up and down. when one party does a major disappointment the other gains ground. the dems have done a lot of disappointing. But if the republicans don't get their crap together and get a couple significant things passed it could get bad for them too.
And I kind of laugh at you saying Bill Clinton was an economic conservative. he didn't sign most of those bills because he wanted to he did because there was too much support for them for him not to sign them. but yes he was far better than his wife.
 
Casca XV said:
and that you cant dispute anything I said says it all
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i can if you want

all party's seem to suggest some courses of action will make life better for more people and they tend to suggest their opponents way of doing things makes life worse

no one trys to attract voters by making them feel ashamed of being american

the democrats seem to want peace between races so do the republicans they may argue over why their is not peace and how to bring it about

democrats seem to think higher taxes on the rich and rich corporations to help pay for a minimum standard of living by providing money food shelter and medical tenement and education to all who need it and to maintain infrastructure is better for most people then lower taxes on the rich in the hopes that the rich will use the savings to create jobs that can secure all of that for the employees of those jobs with out any oversight

they do not say that you should be mad at rich people for being rich or that you deserve as much as they have

ther dosent seem to be a conspiracy to let peel vote illegally and making it legal for more immigrants to vote would not swing things the democrat way unless you cant convince them that other ways are in their best interest the same as with any other voter

both party's seem to think that ther ways work best and that the misrule of the other side will only drive more people to their own party
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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When I first came onto this forum as a lurker a few years ago, many democrats were asking if the republicans were dead.

Politics is mostly local, and can spin on a dime on the federal level.

A lot can happen in two years in politics.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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Sadly, a lot of what the liberals are/have been saying boils down to your four points.
 
Anagram said:
Dems won the Presidency and picked up House and Senate streaks in 2012. Republicans' streak is only the last two. And even then I'd frame last year as more of a tie, with Trump being less then a percent in WI, PA, and MI from losing, and Dems picking up a handful of House and Senate seats.

The overconfidence on this forum is seriously concerning, and I fear there's some of it in the National party as well.
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2012.. Dems did win, but lost because of Gerrymandering. Gerrymandering has only gotten worse in GOP run states, so the bar has been moved even further away for the Dems to retake the house. Look at the Georgia 6th this weekend. Dems got within 4 points in a district that basically is designed to vote GOP, in a state run by the GOP and a history of fixing elections.
 
Casca XV said:
Like I said, stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world votes is one of the Leftist strategy's for winning.

Hopefully before your fantasy of America becoming a 3rd world socialist hell hole comes true,
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 that possible new majority will realize what made America the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history in the first place and try to maintain it.
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You're the one who is living in a fantasy when you talk about the Democratic Party becoming extinct.

You won't see that happen,but if you're lucky you might live long enough to see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional,party by the massive demographic change that's coming at it right now.

Wait and see.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
PeteEU said:
2012.. Dems did win, but lost because of Gerrymandering. Gerrymandering has only gotten worse in GOP run states, so the bar has been moved even further away for the Dems to retake the house. Look at the Georgia 6th this weekend. Dems got within 4 points in a district that basically is designed to vote GOP, in a state run by the GOP and a history of fixing elections.
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The Senate isn't gerrymandered and neither are Governor races

The GOP won back the Senate and by 2014 had picked up 14 Governor races, but keep blaming gerrymandering and avoiding the real reason Democrats suffered staggering losses since 2010.

The Democrats and many of their supporters still dont have a clue
 
Fenton said:
The Senate isn't gerrymandered and neither are Governor races

The GOP won back the Senate and by 2014 had picked up 14 Governor races, but keep blaming gerrymandering and avoiding the real reason Democrats suffered staggering losses since 2010.

The Democrats and many of their supporters still dont have a clue
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You are correct that the Senate and Governor races are not gerrymandered and in there lies the hope. Problem is the districts on national and state level are so gerrymandered, that the Dems can take over as many Governor seats as you want, but the US house will remain in GOP hands regardless since they will control the state houses and hence redistricting.

And I dont really dispute that the Dems have problems. They lack leadership, too many old timers and not enough fresh blood. They need to start pushing back against the pro GOP media machine and exposing the lies the GOP pushes out, and they need to stop relying so much on corporate America. It is ironic, that it is the Dems that are seen as heavily linked to Walls Street, and yet it is the GOP that is a running government filled with Wall Street people..

But you and many conservatives are in denial that the only way the GOP can maintain power is via cheating aka gerrymandering.. and THAT is a real long term problem.

Like it or not, demographics are in favour of the Dems and against the GOP. A couple more elections and Texas turns blue.. and the GOP insiders know this. That is why many in the GOP are pushing giving out electoral college votes depending on congressional districts.. which are heavily gerrymandered in favour of the GOP.
 
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