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Democrat Party Extinction?

shrubnose said:
You're the one who is living in a fantasy when you talk about the Democratic Party becoming extinct.

You won't see that happen,but if you're lucky you might live long enough to see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional,party by the massive demographic change that's coming at it right now.

Wait and see.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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Who's to say what ethnic and racial demographics will make up either party in 30 years.

You don't know.
 
PeteEU said:
You are correct that the Senate and Governor races are not gerrymandered and in there lies the hope. Problem is the districts on national and state level are so gerrymandered, that the Dems can take over as many Governor seats as you want, but the US house will remain in GOP hands regardless since they will control the state houses and hence redistricting.

And I dont really dispute that the Dems have problems. They lack leadership, too many old timers and not enough fresh blood. They need to start pushing back against the pro GOP media machine and exposing the lies the GOP pushes out, and they need to stop relying so much on corporate America. It is ironic, that it is the Dems that are seen as heavily linked to Walls Street, and yet it is the GOP that is a running government filled with Wall Street people..

But you and many conservatives are in denial that the only way the GOP can maintain power is via cheating aka gerrymandering.. and THAT is a real long term problem.

Like it or not, demographics are in favour of the Dems and against the GOP. A couple more elections and Texas turns blue.. and the GOP insiders know this. That is why many in the GOP are pushing giving out electoral college votes depending on congressional districts.. which are heavily gerrymandered in favour of the GOP.
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Lol....the GOP is NOT in power because of gerrymandering.

Since 2010 the GOP has won over 900 State legislator seats, 14 Governor races, the House majority, the Senate majority and the WH.

Its no coincidence they've suffered these staggering losses under Obama

The Democrats havent been this gutted as a Party since the 1920s and now theyre between a rock and a hard place when it comes to messaging.

They CANNOT run on the successes of the last 8 years. They cant run on healthcare, the economy or foreign and domestic policy, Obama made a mess of it all.

So they either turn hard Left and try to appeal to Bernie supporters or they can do what their doing now.

Pure identity politics, attacking Trump and his supporters while they build a coalition of victims to pander to.

But thats not working, voters are smarter than the Dems give them credit for and find their pandering insulting.
So they turn hard Left ? Good luck with that.
America is still a Center right Nation
 
Casca XV said:
Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.
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With the exception of #4, this is Republican election strategy to a tee. For Republicans, #4 would be "Stuffing the ballot boxes with "ex-immigrant" nativists, trying to feed them some covert racism to do so".
 
Fenton said:
Lol....the GOP is NOT in power because of gerrymandering.

Since 2010 the GOP has won over 900 State legislator seats, 14 Governor races, the House majority, the Senate majority and the WH.
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And lots of that is due to gerrymandering. Numbers dont lie. Your denial of gerrymandering being a direct influence on house and state seats, just shows how bad the GOP has gotten.. where winning is all that matters.

Here are the facts.

State legislators : Next census is coming up soon. Expect tons of lawsuits as the GOP try to gerrymander the hell out of the states they control.

Governors: Yes the GOP holds a majority, but they also have a lot of unpopular governors coming up for reelection or hitting term limits. You think that the GOP will retain New Jersey for example? There are A LOT of seats up for election in 2018 and a majority are GOP seats.

House majority.. wont change any time soon unless there is a landslide election away from the GOP. Why? Gerrymandering. Look at Pennsylvania.. 18 seats, and 15 of them are GOP. Did Trump win the state by 83% of the vote? no, not even close. How about when Obama won the state? Oh the GOP won 13 out of 18 seats.. wtf? Yes gerrymandering is a serious problem and the House is being designed by the GOP to remain GOP. Now that the Dems can get so close in GOP gerryrigged seats over the last few months, does show promise for the "marginal" seats.. but will it be enough?

Senate Majority.. yea and? That can change again in a year.

As for the White House.. Trump lost by 3 million votes.. just saying.

Its no coincidence they've suffered these staggering losses under Obama
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Nope, the incumbent party in the WH, tends to lose seats.

America is still a Center right Nation
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Yes, but the GOP is a far right party. And that is where the Dems can win.. go for the centre vote...

Lets put it this way.. if the Dems can get people out to vote (which they failed to do with Clinton), then the GOP will be in serious problems. Of course.. Dems tend not to vote, but the way Trump is running things might just push people to do so.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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It's hard to say that any party is "finished" since there really is no viable alternative at this point. But if the dems keep going left, there is certainly an opening for a third party. We have the Dem left, then the "Sanders Wing", then the moderate democrats.

If enough independents are willing to move center left, the the democrat party as structured today may have a problem if the game the nomination like they did with Sanders.

The political fortunes of the two parties ebb and flow because neither side is effective in "getting it right" in the eyes of the voters, because everyone has a different hot button - illegal immigration, defense spending, Obamacare, tax reform, judges, and on and on.

The buzz word: "cohesiveness" really means a general agreement on priorities. That we do not have, and have not had in a long time.
 
Anagram said:
In 2009 the Democrats had the Presidency, 60% of the House seats, 60% of the Senate seats, 29 Governorships, and controlled both houses of a majority of state legislators. Republicans lost all five of the special elections to the House that year.

And many Democrats were asking the very same question you're asking here, but about the Republicans. With so much Democratic winning it was obvious to them that the Republicans were finished as a party, possibly only becoming a regional party in the South.
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They failed to make good on their promises, got cocky and reaped the reward. It should be a lesson for Repubs. Voters put our representatives in office to make good on their platform. History will be the judge on this current administration.
 
shrubnose said:
You're the one who is living in a fantasy when you talk about the Democratic Party becoming extinct.

You won't see that happen,but if you're lucky you might live long enough to see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional,party by the massive demographic change that's coming at it right now.

Wait and see.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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You view of demographic change is likely seen through European eyes. In the USA,immigration is for jobs and opportunity, not socialism and social services. The biggest issue with immigration in the USA is immigrants will out work Americans by hook or by crook because they know poverty and desperation. They are often open to voluntary exploitation - cash work, odd hours, etc.

I can't speak for Europe, but we do have to keep the playing field level in the USA for citizens vs immigrants.

You will be speaking Farsi before before the GOP or dems dissolve.
 
Political Correctness,
Identity Politics,
LGBT right to point at anyone to destroy at will,
White Privilege and BLM Violence,
AGW,
Open Borders,
Working Whites derided as naught but "Deplorables",
Special Rights, Protections and Immigration Options for Muslims....


....Yeah... as long as that line of political thought is in control, the Democrats will continue to lose across most of the Nation.


The Democrats Spit-in-the-Face of a majority of the American Voters, and then wonder why they lose elections!

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Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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Politics, elections go in cycles. Party extinctions, oh boy. I remember back in 1964 after Goldwater's defeat, they were saying the Republican Party was was headed for the trash heap of history. They wouldn't ever be a viable party again. Not only did LBJ receive 61% of the vote, Democrats held a 295-140 advantage in he house and a 67-33 edge in the senate. No way could the Republicans recover. It took the Republicans exactly 4 years when Nixon won the presidency, gaining 52 seats in the house and 9 in the senate. So much for extinction.

The Republicans were suppose to become the permanent minority party again in 1975, never again to be a viable party. Nixon just resigned, Carter won the presidency, the Democrats then held a 292-143 advantage in the house, 63-37 in the senate. The Republicans weren't viable until 1980 when Reagan won the presidency, Republicans took control of the senate and gained 34 house seats. Now it was the Democrats turn as many books were wrote on the Republican lock on the presidency. It would be 20-30 years before the Democrats could challenge the Republicans for the Oval Office.

That lasted until 1992 when Bill Clinton won. There's been many times when doom was forecast for one or the other party. Just look at history of presidents and how their party fared in congress.

Seats lost by sitting presidents during their term

LBJ lost 9 senate and 52 house seats
Nixon/Ford lost 5 senate and 48 house seats
Carter lost 3 senate and 15 house seats
Reagan lost 8 senate and 15 house seats
Bush I lost 1 senate seat and 8 house seats
Clinton lost 12 senate seats and 47 house seats
Bush II lost 1 senate seat and 23 house seats
Obama lost 11 senate seats and 62 house seats
Trump who knows, he is starting out with 52 GOP senators and 241 Republican house members.

You can beat your bottom dollar Trump will leave with less seats in congress that when he entered and you can add governorship's to that list also. Bill Clinton started off with 29 Governors, ended with 18. Bush stated with 30 and ended with 22. Obama started with 28 Governors and ended with 18, Trump is beginning with 31 and we'll see. You can also be sure Trump will lose governorship's also.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Political Correctness,
Identity Politics,
LGBT right to point at anyone to destroy at will,
White Privilege and BLM Violence,
AGW,
Open Borders,
Working Whites derided as naught but "Deplorables",
Special Rights, Protections and Immigration Options for Muslims....


....Yeah... as long as that line of political thought is in control, the Democrats will continue to lose across most of the Nation.


The Democrats Spit-in-the-Face of a majority of the American Voters, and then wonder why they lose elections!

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There are several good post explaining the leftist losses, yours among them. But we should not be expecting a change in the party of corruption anytime soon. I believe the chances of a split in their party is more likely than it shriveling on the vine.

Whatever they are currently doing, I hope they keep up the good work.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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Uh, no.
 
PeteEU said:
And lots of that is due to gerrymandering. Numbers dont lie. Your denial of gerrymandering being a direct influence on house and state seats, just shows how bad the GOP has gotten.. where winning is all that matters.

Here are the facts.

State legislators : Next census is coming up soon. Expect tons of lawsuits as the GOP try to gerrymander the hell out of the states they control.

Governors: Yes the GOP holds a majority, but they also have a lot of unpopular governors coming up for reelection or hitting term limits. You think that the GOP will retain New Jersey for example? There are A LOT of seats up for election in 2018 and a majority are GOP seats.

House majority.. wont change any time soon unless there is a landslide election away from the GOP. Why? Gerrymandering. Look at Pennsylvania.. 18 seats, and 15 of them are GOP. Did Trump win the state by 83% of the vote? no, not even close. How about when Obama won the state? Oh the GOP won 13 out of 18 seats.. wtf? Yes gerrymandering is a serious problem and the House is being designed by the GOP to remain GOP. Now that the Dems can get so close in GOP gerryrigged seats over the last few months, does show promise for the "marginal" seats.. but will it be enough?

Senate Majority.. yea and? That can change again in a year.

As for the White House.. Trump lost by 3 million votes.. just saying.



Nope, the incumbent party in the WH, tends to lose seats.



Yes, but the GOP is a far right party. And that is where the Dems can win.. go for the centre vote...

Lets put it this way.. if the Dems can get people out to vote (which they failed to do with Clinton), then the GOP will be in serious problems. Of course.. Dems tend not to vote, but the way Trump is running things might just push people to do so.
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No the GOP is not far right, the Freedom Caucus isnt even far right. They've moved to the Center quite a bit while the Democrats chose foolishly to move to the Left.

The DNC under Tom Perez is currently having a crisis when if comes to fund raising for some reason. Maybe chants of " **** trump " just dont appeal to a majority of the electorate.

The " far right " designation is just a dishonest partisan attempt to tie Conservatism to facism, and no ones buying it. American Conservtives are strict Constitutionalist, ( or they should be ) and believe in smaller Govt, natural rights and individual liberty

Now, the route of the Dems by the GOP over the last 7 years is unprecedented.
Its left a shattered Democrat brand and a party thats forced to resort to demagoguery to win elections.

This is not my Grandfathers Democratic party, which was a party that represented blue collar hard working American families.

This is a party without a message, without any examples of success when it comes to the implementation of their agenda, and they have Obama to thank for that.

Dems running in the 2012 and 2014 midterms were forced to ignore ObamaCare, they pretended it didnt exist and no that wasnt lost on the average voter.
They were forced to ignore the economy, which was so anemic it had to be propped up for Obama's entire two terms with FED zero interest rate policies.
They were forced to ignore Obama's disastrous ME foreign policy blunders and his decision to bail out of Iraq and never look back as ISIS ran roughshod through once liberated cities killing men, women and children.

The Left has to stop thinking the average voter is a moron, who's easily susceptible to insulting propaganda and pandering, whos ignorant of the consequences of their agenda and who's a easy mark for Left wing rhetoric.

They are not.
 
Fenton said:
No the GOP is not far right, the Freedom Caucus isnt even far right. They've moved to the Center quite a bit while the Democrats chose foolishly to move to the Left.
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Boy your definition of "centre" is way off.

The DNC under Tom Perez is currently having a crisis when if comes to fund raising for some reason. Maybe chants of " **** trump " just dont appeal to a majority of the electorate.
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And you base this on what?

The " far right " designation is just a dishonest partisan attempt to tie Conservatism to facism, and no ones buying it. American Conservtives are strict Constitutionalist, ( or they should be ) and believe in smaller Govt, natural rights and individual liberty
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Yea individual liberty as long as you are white and male and a Republican. Else you are screwed. Sorry but the GOP is not the party of small government. If they were, then they would not expand government every time they gain power. As for "natural rights".. that means rights we the privileged GOP are willing to give you.

This is not my Grandfathers Democratic party, which was a party that represented blue collar hard working American families.

This is a party without a message, without any examples of success when it comes to the implementation of their agenda, and they have Obama to thank for that.
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And what successes does the GOP have? Can these successes, if any, actually live up to any sort of scrutiny?

Dems running in the 2012 and 2014 midterms were forced to ignore ObamaCare, they pretended it didnt exist and no that wasnt lost on the average voter.
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Because of the GOP. I agree, the Dems should not have done that... but because of the GOP lies about Obamacare and healthcare in general.. the Dems were forced to play a defensive game.

They were forced to ignore the economy, which was so anemic it had to be propped up for Obama's entire two terms with FED zero interest rate policies.
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More GOP bull****. Obama saved the US economy. It was the GOP and Bush Jr that caused the crisis and the Dems should have exploited this. It pisses me off that the left (in most countries) do not expose the right for their crimes and hypocrisy. Instead they let the right set the agenda.

They were forced to ignore Obama's disastrous ME foreign policy blunders and his decision to bail out of Iraq and never look back as ISIS ran roughshod through once liberated cities killing men, women and children.
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More GOP bs. It was the GOP that created ISIS by invading the freaking country in the first place!

The Left has to stop thinking the average voter is a moron, who's easily susceptible to insulting propaganda and pandering, whos ignorant of the consequences of their agenda and who's a easy mark for Left wing rhetoric.
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Yes that is why most Americans love the Affordable Care Act but hate Obamacare......,.. if that does not expose the average American as a moron, then well.
 
PeteEU said:
Boy your definition of "centre" is way off.



And you base this on what?



Yea individual liberty as long as you are white and male and a Republican. Else you are screwed. Sorry but the GOP is not the party of small government. If they were, then they would not expand government every time they gain power. As for "natural rights".. that means rights we the privileged GOP are willing to give you.



And what successes does the GOP have? Can these successes, if any, actually live up to any sort of scrutiny?



Because of the GOP. I agree, the Dems should not have done that... but because of the GOP lies about Obamacare and healthcare in general.. the Dems were forced to play a defensive game.



More GOP bull****. Obama saved the US economy. It was the GOP and Bush Jr that caused the crisis and the Dems should have exploited this. It pisses me off that the left (in most countries) do not expose the right for their crimes and hypocrisy. Instead they let the right set the agenda.



More GOP bs. It was the GOP that created ISIS by invading the freaking country in the first place!



Yes that is why most Americans love the Affordable Care Act but hate Obamacare......,.. if that does not expose the average American as a moron, then well.
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I dont have time to respond to everything, but lets start with your assertion that the GOP somehow corrupted ObamaCare to the point where it was a liabillity Politically to the Dems

ObamaCare was corrupted before Obamas signature was dry. Its cost shifting mechansims that relied on a minumum of young healthy individuals to purchase policies wasnt based on consumer actions or reactions in a market economy.

It was based on left wing magical thinking, so when healthy individuals dint buy policies that extra cost for insuring older sicker Americans was shifted onto a already struggling middleclass.

When Insurance companies started losing money, Obama illegally diverted billions of dollars to prop them up and keep them in the exchanges.

The GOA reported on this in 2016...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...rs-under-affordable-care-act-are-illegal/amp/

But ObamaCare was doomed, even with the Feds illegally diverting billions to insurers

Average deductible for a individual on the bronze plan is now 6000 bucks, and over 10,000 for a family. If premiums are what it cost to have insurance, deductibles are what it cost to use that insurance.

The GOP had nothing to do with this. Voters responded not to anti-ACA rehtoric, but to the fact that the ACA had royally screwed up our Healthcare system.
If the GOP screwed up the ACA why didnt Dems in the Midterms just say so instead of avoiding the issue ?
I know why, its because they knew their voters where not complete imbecilles and wouldnt buy it

As for the GOP creating ISIS, Obama in 2011 gave a speech where he claimed Iraq was " soverign, democratic and stable ".
He then pulled out all US stabilizing military assets and never looked back as ISIS exploited the lack of US forces and gained land, weapons, members and influence while murdering innocent Iraqis
That disaster is on him, as is Lybia.
 
2020 Prediction: Democrats sweep everything.
 
Fenton said:
The " far right " designation is just a dishonest partisan attempt to tie Conservatism to facism, and no ones buying it. American Conservtives are strict Constitutionalist, ( or they should be ) and believe in smaller Govt, natural rights and individual liberty...
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What leftists fail to understand, is that conservatism stands by freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't. Since when is that, "far right?" If anything is, "far..." it is the radicalized leftists running around trying to convince people how only the left is pure as the wind driven snow.
 
Perotista said:
Politics, elections go in cycles. Party extinctions, oh boy. I remember back in 1964 after Goldwater's defeat, they were saying the Republican Party was was headed for the trash heap of history. They wouldn't ever be a viable party again. Not only did LBJ receive 61% of the vote, Democrats held a 295-140 advantage in he house and a 67-33 edge in the senate. No way could the Republicans recover. It took the Republicans exactly 4 years when Nixon won the presidency, gaining 52 seats in the house and 9 in the senate. So much for extinction.

The Republicans were suppose to become the permanent minority party again in 1975, never again to be a viable party. Nixon just resigned, Carter won the presidency, the Democrats then held a 292-143 advantage in the house, 63-37 in the senate. The Republicans weren't viable until 1980 when Reagan won the presidency, Republicans took control of the senate and gained 34 house seats. Now it was the Democrats turn as many books were wrote on the Republican lock on the presidency. It would be 20-30 years before the Democrats could challenge the Republicans for the Oval Office.

That lasted until 1992 when Bill Clinton won. There's been many times when doom was forecast for one or the other party. Just look at history of presidents and how their party fared in congress.

Seats lost by sitting presidents during their term

LBJ lost 9 senate and 52 house seats
Nixon/Ford lost 5 senate and 48 house seats
Carter lost 3 senate and 15 house seats
Reagan lost 8 senate and 15 house seats
Bush I lost 1 senate seat and 8 house seats
Clinton lost 12 senate seats and 47 house seats
Bush II lost 1 senate seat and 23 house seats
Obama lost 11 senate seats and 62 house seats
Trump who knows, he is starting out with 52 GOP senators and 241 Republican house members.

You can beat your bottom dollar Trump will leave with less seats in congress that when he entered and you can add governorship's to that list also. Bill Clinton started off with 29 Governors, ended with 18. Bush stated with 30 and ended with 22. Obama started with 28 Governors and ended with 18, Trump is beginning with 31 and we'll see. You can also be sure Trump will lose governorship's also.
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Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Since we have never faced such an unusual time period as the one we are in - Trump, a non-politician winning the Presidency against overwhelming odds - that I wonder what we might expect next.

Since I consider you the expert here because of your "hobby" of exhaustive research and record keeping, could this mean that the global elite, who want a one-world government that he has temporarily blocked, will appear to change their agenda to one that no longer demonizes him outwardly while still covertly highlighting his personality flaws?

They have learned that his millions of followers remain extremely loyal to him, so what will it take to upset his agenda of "America first," which seems to be gaining more followers every month. His approval rating seems to be climbing, if we can count the five GOP wins that have just occurred that he personally had nothing to do with, so what is happening?

Just thinking out loud....
 
polgara said:
Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Since we have never faced such an unusual time period as the one we are in - Trump, a non-politician winning the Presidency against overwhelming odds - that I wonder what we might expect next.

Since I consider you the expert here because of your "hobby" of exhaustive research and record keeping, could this mean that the global elite, who want a one-world government that he has temporarily blocked, will appear to change their agenda to one that no longer demonizes him outwardly while still covertly highlighting his personality flaws?

They have learned that his millions of followers remain extremely loyal to him, so what will it take to upset his agenda of "America first," which seems to be gaining more followers every month. His approval rating seems to be climbing, if we can count the five GOP wins that have just occurred that he personally had nothing to do with, so what is happening?

Just thinking out loud....
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Trump was one of the global elite with businesses all over the world. He was prior to his run for the presidency one of the moneyed faces behind the scenes donating to both parties. As Trump stated when asked why he gave to both parties, "I give and they give back."

Putting America first is a campaign slogan. Probably nothing more or nothing less. Pulling us out of the Paris Climate deal could just be symbolic. Those nations are going to continue on with whatever they're doing regardless and unless Trump has the EPA rescind and relax a bunch of regulations and directives, it means nothing to take us out of Paris.

Trump hasn't been in office long, so we really don't know what he will do or not do. Time will tell. I seen some symbolism on putting America first, but no concrete actions yet. So let's just sit, wait, watch and listen. Too early to make any judgement. Let's not fall into the trap of the avid pro and anti Trumpers. As I said before, Trump hasn't done anything to get me upset and he hasn't done anything to deserve a pat on the back from me either. Put me as still on the fence when it comes to Trump.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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No more than all the predictions about the end of the Rep. party 7 years ago. :roll:
 
Casca XV said:
and that you cant dispute anything I said says it all
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Ya...that there's nothing worth disputing. More divisive BS. Good for you, you're a hack. Sorry, that's name calling, I retract - you are engaging in hack-like behavior.
 
DamnYankee said:
What leftists fail to understand, is that conservatism stands by freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't. Since when is that, "far right?" If anything is, "far..." it is the radicalized leftists running around trying to convince people how only the left is pure as the wind driven snow.
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I agree that Center-Right, what many now call "Conservatism" is for "freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't", but then, I would state that Center-LEFT is also for "freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't"!

There was a time when 80% of the Democratic Party Members and Voters were for "freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't"!

When I was young, the Democratic Party was NOT a Socialist, Far-Left Party!

It is Now, after Clinton, Pelosi, Byrd, Inouye, Leahy, Shultz, Kaine, Brazile, Kain and Obama's radical shift to the hard-left!


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RetiredUSN said:
Who's to say what ethnic and racial demographics will make up either party in 30 years.

You don't know.
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I know that massive demographic change is going to hit the GOP like a tidal wave.You may not live long enough to see it but it's coming.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
shrubnose said:
I know that massive demographic change is going to hit the GOP like a tidal wave.You may not live long enough to see it but it's coming.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
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----says the guy who posted on here about 500 times that we should all get used to saying Madam President Clinton. ({ snicker}}
 
Democrats should focus on the Trump /Russia thing .

They are thisclose to braking that wide open.
MAxine Waters said so!

HAHHAHAHAHAH
 
chuckiechan said:
You view of demographic change is likely seen through European eyes. In the USA,immigration is for jobs and opportunity, not socialism and social services. The biggest issue with immigration in the USA is immigrants will out work Americans by hook or by crook because they know poverty and desperation. They are often open to voluntary exploitation - cash work, odd hours, etc.

I can't speak for Europe, but we do have to keep the playing field level in the USA for citizens vs immigrants.

You will be speaking Farsi before before the GOP or dems dissolve.
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I didn't say that either party would dissolve.If you live long enough you'll see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional,party by massive demographic change.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
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