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Democrat Party Extinction?

KLATTU said:
----says the guy who posted on here about 500 times that we should all get used to saying Madam President Clinton. ({ snicker}}
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He also copy and pasted post #47 in about 500 threads.
 
KLATTU said:
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says the guy who posted on here about 500 times that we should all get used to saying Madam President Clinton.
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Believe whatever you want to believe-it will have no effect on reality.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
shrubnose said:
Believe whatever you want to believe-it will have no effect on reality.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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So do you know that immigration is down? Do you know that birth rates are down south of the border? Do you know that the economy is improving south of the border? Do you know why the predication keeps getting pushed back? Do you know that Hispanics are socially conservative? Yes, you know all of those things because I have told you them when you posted that nonsense in another thread.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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Look at the Bright Side, Donald Trump is here to change all that. :2razz:
 
Henrin said:
So do you know that immigration is down? Do you know that birth rates are down south of the border? Do you know that the economy is improving south of the border? Do you know why the predication keeps getting pushed back? Do you know that Hispanics are socially conservative?
Yes, you know all of those things because I have told you them when you posted that nonsense in another thread
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Come back and tell us all about it after massive demographic change hits the GOP like a tidal wave.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
Cigar said:
Look at the Bright Side, Donald Trump is here to change all that. :2razz:
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And he's doing a good job of it. Just wait until he succeeds in kicking 23 million people of healthcare. They will be the same people who voted for Trump by and large. Trump is likely to be the best thing that happened to the Democratic party in years.
 
shrubnose said:
You're the one who is living in a fantasy when you talk about the Democratic Party becoming extinct.

You won't see that happen,but if you're lucky you might live long enough to see the GOP reduced to a minor,regional,party by the massive demographic change that's coming at it right now.

Wait and see.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
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This is just the reverse of the OP, and will most likely end up just as wrong.
 
Casca XV said:
The current trend so far has lasted at least 3 time longer than the typical pendulum swing of power. And like I said there is no real evidence of it reversing.
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Your side has excelled at locking out changes wherever possible via gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts. That is a big part of why you win.
 
Anagram said:
This is just the reverse of the OP, and will most likely end up just as wrong
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Come back and tell us all about it after massive demographic change hits the GOP full force like a tidal wave.

"No one can stop time and/or change."
 
Dittohead not! said:
And he's doing a good job of it. Just wait until he succeeds in kicking 23 million people of healthcare. They will be the same people who voted for Trump by and large. Trump is likely to be the best thing that happened to the Democratic party in years.
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This is why you're out of touch. Do you honestly, and I mean honestly think that those same 23 million voted for Trump knowing full-well that their gravy train was about to end? Seriously?


Tim-
 
DamnYankee said:
What leftists fail to understand, is that conservatism stands by freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't. Since when is that, "far right?" If anything is, "far..." it is the radicalized leftists running around trying to convince people how only the left is pure as the wind driven snow.
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The "left" (at least progressives) believe in the basic values of human rights: That all humans were created equal, that all of them have the same rights, that these rights must be protected and they all have the right to pursue happiness. This implies that any legal discrimination based on ethnicity, origin or gender would violate these most basic rights. We believe in the basic human rights of healthcare. Nobody goes through life without needing medical treatment and people deserve to receive all medical treatment needed regardless of income nor should be anyone be subjugated in bearing the burden of accumulating huge debt due to the lack of insurance or coverage. We need to protect our most basic right of education for our kids and give them the best opportunity possible to live a happy life. We need protect civil rights for all including the LGBT community, Hispanic, African Americans, and Muslims. We need to protect the working rights of the middle class and the poor so they can strive for happiness by earning a living wage. These are simple messages in which most people would agree with….

Freedom? Freedom is being free of medical debt because of an illness that is unavoidable…Freedom is not having a 100k bill upon graduation because you wanted to enhance your education.

We the people of this country, the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of the world, are more than capable of providing the essentials it takes to live a healthy life and pursue happiness without debt acting as a ball and chain around our ankles.
 
Casca XV said:
Since and including the 2010 midterms Democrats have lost 90% of all local state and national elections.

They hold fewer elected positions now than they did in the 1920’s

There is no real evidence that this trend is changing.

Their strategy for winning elections seems to be:
1. Making Americans ashamed to be American.
2. Stirring up hatred and resentment between different racial ethnic groups.
3. Causing Jealously between the economic classes (rich & poor)
4. Stuffing the ballot boxes with 3rd world immigrant votes.

There is nothing optimistic in their message. Even with the Russia distractions they still are not winning elections.

Say what you will about Trump his message is one about optimism and pride in America. The few policies he has gotten through and repealing all of Obama’s executive orders has made the current economy the best we have had in 10 years.

I don't think Democrats will have any real future as long as they are the party of extreme Leftist like Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren. Yes they had electoral success in 2006 and 2008 but that was from pessimism caused by the Wars and the Housing Market Crash. Managing to get Obama reelected was the only good news they had since.

The Last time the Democrat Party was actually successful was during the Bill Clinton Presidency. Although personal a scumbag, unlike his wife he was a political centrist and an economic conservative signing every economic bill Newt gave him. America did well during that time as a result.
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One party down, one to go.
 
shrubnose said:
I know that massive demographic change is going to hit the GOP like a tidal wave.You may not live long enough to see it but it's coming.

"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
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It's already happening, and where have you been?
 
shrubnose said:
Where I wanted to be.

:lol:
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Play coy and snarky all you like, but you have repeated the same nonsense since I have been browsing these forums 3 years ago.

The democrats and republicans could be some regional party in the near future.

You don't have a clue, and neither do I.

But please..............keep playing the jester.
 
Hicup said:
This is why you're out of touch. Do you honestly, and I mean honestly think that those same 23 million voted for Trump knowing full-well that their gravy train was about to end? Seriously?


Tim-
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Well, of course not. They voted for Trump because they were taken in by the con that they would get good jobs. The result is that they will lose Health Care. Once they discover that, then they will no longer support Trump.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Well, of course not. They voted for Trump because they were taken in by the con that they would get good jobs. The result is that they will lose Health Care. Once they discover that, then they will no longer support Trump.
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But then they'll end up supporting another GOP candidate just as bad, if not worse than Trump. And then they will continue blaming Democrats, liberals, Gays, Muslims, illegals, blacks, etc, for their problems. It's never the GOP's fault in their eyes. The GOP has it's core constituency right where they want them.
 
PeteEU said:
And lots of that is due to gerrymandering. Numbers dont lie. Your denial of gerrymandering being a direct influence on house and state seats, just shows how bad the GOP has gotten.. where winning is all that matters.

Here are the facts.

State legislators : Next census is coming up soon. Expect tons of lawsuits as the GOP try to gerrymander the hell out of the states they control.

Governors: Yes the GOP holds a majority, but they also have a lot of unpopular governors coming up for reelection or hitting term limits. You think that the GOP will retain New Jersey for example? There are A LOT of seats up for election in 2018 and a majority are GOP seats.

House majority.. wont change any time soon unless there is a landslide election away from the GOP. Why? Gerrymandering. Look at Pennsylvania.. 18 seats, and 15 of them are GOP. Did Trump win the state by 83% of the vote? no, not even close. How about when Obama won the state? Oh the GOP won 13 out of 18 seats.. wtf? Yes gerrymandering is a serious problem and the House is being designed by the GOP to remain GOP. Now that the Dems can get so close in GOP gerryrigged seats over the last few months, does show promise for the "marginal" seats.. but will it be enough?

Senate Majority.. yea and? That can change again in a year.

As for the White House.. Trump lost by 3 million votes.. just saying.



Nope, the incumbent party in the WH, tends to lose seats.



Yes, but the GOP is a far right party. And that is where the Dems can win.. go for the centre vote...

Lets put it this way.. if the Dems can get people out to vote (which they failed to do with Clinton), then the GOP will be in serious problems. Of course.. Dems tend not to vote, but the way Trump is running things might just push people to do so.
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Yep. Proof of this is Obama winning re-election in 2012 despite losing independent voters (45% Obama, 50% Romney). No Republican has ever won the presidency while losing independent voters.

Obama's re-election in 2012 is essentially irrefutable proof that when the Democrat base votes, they outnumber the Republican base.
 
DamnYankee said:
What leftists fail to understand, is that conservatism stands by freedom, liberty, smaller less intrusive and responsible gov't. Since when is that, "far right?" If anything is, "far..." it is the radicalized leftists running around trying to convince people how only the left is pure as the wind driven snow.
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lol.

you people voted for Donald Trump as president. By default, that makes you anything BUT conservative.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Play coy and snarky all you like, but you have repeated the same nonsense since I have been browsing these forums 3 years ago.

The democrats and republicans could be some regional party in the near future.

You don't have a clue,
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 and neither do I.

But please..............keep playing the jester.
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I have lots of clues and I get them from the U. S. Census Bureau.

:lol:
 
polgara said:
Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Since we have never faced such an unusual time period as the one we are in - Trump, a non-politician winning the Presidency against overwhelming odds - that I wonder what we might expect next.

Since I consider you the expert here because of your "hobby" of exhaustive research and record keeping, could this mean that the global elite, who want a one-world government that he has temporarily blocked, will appear to change their agenda to one that no longer demonizes him outwardly while still covertly highlighting his personality flaws?

They have learned that his millions of followers remain extremely loyal to him, so what will it take to upset his agenda of "America first," which seems to be gaining more followers every month. His approval rating seems to be climbing, if we can count the five GOP wins that have just occurred that he personally had nothing to do with, so what is happening?

Just thinking out loud....
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Uh, his approval ratings aren't climbing at all. if anything, he's losing support among independents.

But yeah, GOP voters still love him. Most of them still love George W. Bush too, although some of them are pissed at him and his family since they gave a collective middle finger to Trump by not voting for him in the general election. Regardless, as long as Trump has that R next to his name, he'll always get the support from most GOP voters.
 
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Perotista said:
Politics, elections go in cycles. Party extinctions, oh boy. I remember back in 1964 after Goldwater's defeat, they were saying the Republican Party was was headed for the trash heap of history. They wouldn't ever be a viable party again. Not only did LBJ receive 61% of the vote, Democrats held a 295-140 advantage in he house and a 67-33 edge in the senate. No way could the Republicans recover. It took the Republicans exactly 4 years when Nixon won the presidency, gaining 52 seats in the house and 9 in the senate. So much for extinction
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DEMs didn't get here overnight; it took 4 straight elections. REDMAP 2010 is the most overwhelming political occurrence that I have ever known of, IMHO. Some may say 1994 laid the groundwork. REDMAP 2010 was based on POTUS vote by CD, as well as HD and SD.

GOP inroads into the upper Midwest began in 2010 and paid off last year with flipped states for trump. The gerrymander advantage can now be quickly seen with Cook's PVI ratings as well as states such as NC, VA, and FL being forced to rewrite new maps this decade. GOPs currently have 7 governors in the NE and east, the DEMs last bastion.

Switching to the house, DEMs did not compete in 34 CDs last year. They now have one or more candidates in 14 of those. DEMs have to walk before they can run, as we saw with them closing the gap in all 4 specials. 2018 green papers has this info.

In VA this Nov. something similar. In 2015, DEMs only challenged 22 of 67 house of delegates. This year, they'll challenge 53 of 66. These numbers are being repeated across the nation.

Remember Speaker Foley losing in 1994; only the 2nd speaker to ever lose. Ryan has a good opponent next year and he's getting some pretty good free air time. It's all about trump/McConnell/Ryan wealthcare. Ryan spent $13 million last year to win by 35%, his opponent spent $17 thousand .
 
Puigb said:
lol.

you people voted for Donald Trump as president. By default, that makes you anything BUT conservative.
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Like I said, leftists fail to understand.
 
LunaRose said:
The "left" (at least progressives) believe in the basic values of human rights: That all humans were created equal, that all of them have the same rights, that these rights must be protected and they all have the right to pursue happiness. This implies that any legal discrimination based on ethnicity, origin or gender would violate these most basic rights. We believe in the basic human rights of healthcare. Nobody goes through life without needing medical treatment and people deserve to receive all medical treatment needed regardless of income nor should be anyone be subjugated in bearing the burden of accumulating huge debt due to the lack of insurance or coverage. We need to protect our most basic right of education for our kids and give them the best opportunity possible to live a happy life. We need protect civil rights for all including the LGBT community, Hispanic, African Americans, and Muslims. We need to protect the working rights of the middle class and the poor so they can strive for happiness by earning a living wage. These are simple messages in which most people would agree with….

Freedom? Freedom is being free of medical debt because of an illness that is unavoidable…Freedom is not having a 100k bill upon graduation because you wanted to enhance your education.

We the people of this country, the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of the world, are more than capable of providing the essentials it takes to live a healthy life and pursue happiness without debt acting as a ball and chain around our ankles.
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We also shouldn't be burdened with oppressive taxes to pay for all the "free" stuff. Lifting those that struggle at the bottom of the scale would be far more constructive than lowering those in the middle and upper end of the scale with excessive taxes.
 
Anagram said:
In 2009 the Democrats had the Presidency, 60% of the House seats, 60% of the Senate seats, 29 Governorships, and controlled both houses of a majority of state legislators. Republicans lost all five of the special elections to the House that year.

And many Democrats were asking the very same question you're asking here, but about the Republicans. With so much Democratic winning it was obvious to them that the Republicans were finished as a party, possibly only becoming a regional party in the South.
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Easily the best response that could be given, and this response as well as the facts and figures from right now should be saved when some hyper partisan 4 or 8 years from now comes sauntering in to smugly declare how the Republicans are doomed and destined to be an extinct dinosaur of a party that has no hope of surviving and is barely holding on because of reasons X, Y, Z .

Same ****, different day. People don't understand the realities of political cycles.
 
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