Georgia election proves my point!!!!!!!

Slingshot Bob said:

I was with you right up until that Obama part! Dad gum, we meet in the middle!

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I can certainly find a lot of bad things to say about Obama. And, I certainly understand why people want to go in a different direction. But, for the most part, he was OK, certainly not a disaster.

trouble13 said:

Dems need to do some housecleaning

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Probably. Pelosi should follow Ried's lead and retire. Schumer should consider it too. They have a few bright lights further down in the ranks who would do a better job at rallying the troops, younger people who more match up to people the D's need to vote for them.

zimmer said:

Let's look at one major voting item and tell me who walks lock step?

ObamaKare:

Demokrats passed this with legislative tricks.
Their entire caucus voted for it.
The American people did not want it, so much so... Dead Kennedy's seat went to a Republican in an effort to stop ObamaKare.
There were no Blue Dawgs, only Leftists wanting to suck 7% of the economy and your healthcare into government control.
They lied about ObamaKare to pass it.
It did not save families $2500.
You could not keep your MD.
It was an abortion from the start and got worse.

Republicans
In trying to repeal ObamaKare... were fractured.
Attempt 1 failed.

Now, you tell me... what party marches lock step?

Then we have Lieberman. A former VP choice.
One lone voice on the Demokrat side opposing his party when it came to Iraq War 2.
They ousted him from the party.
REPUBLICANS voted him into office as an "I".

A bad Republican is better than a supposed "good" Demokrat, because the Demokrat toes the Socialist line... or else! And the Left gets nuttier and nuttier by the day.

The Dems don't have a Sam Nunn or Moynihan today. There are no Blue Dawgs. It's only varying shades of Red and its accompanying lunacy.

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I'll give you a credit dude you're sure good at making stuff up

This has to be the best proactive excuse for their loss that I've seen so far:

ast month Jessica Zeigler, a precinct captain for Jon Ossoff’s congressional campaign, realized that reaching millennial voters was almost impossible. Young voters are often registered at their parents’ address, and many of those parents are enraged when Democratic canvassers show up at their door. “Those were the angriest people,” said Zeigler. “When you are targeting their child, or heaven forbid their child might not think the same way as them, it becomes ugly.” Several times, she says, Republican parents called the police on Ossoff volunteers just for ringing their doorbells.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...orgia_s_6th_district_for_democrats_comes.html

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The problem, they say, is that their voters live in Mommy's basement and Mommy won't let them talk to the "kids".

faithful_servant said:

.. and it has benefited Dems. FAR more than Reps.

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And you all were in favor of it.

independentusa said:

When a GOPer gets in the voting booth, no matter how bad the GOP candidate or how good the Dem candidate, the GOPER will always, and I mean always, vote for the GOP candidate. They are too brain dead to do otherwise. They think that the poorest GOP candidate has to be better than the best Dem candidate. And where has this led us, probably in the near future to another recession like the last GOP president did when he also controlled the house and Senate. I hope that the next Dem president can pull us out of the mess this one puts us in.

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Belief is powerful ... they still think giving Tax Breaks to The Rich translates to more Jobs, even though they never can nor ever could provide proof.

independentusa said:

But i bet you voted for Trump, didn't you. He has no moral values at all. Just ask the people who he has failed to pay after they did work for him. Or the three wives who has cheated on, every one. And he has no political beliefs at all, none. He just uses whatever he see he needs to get elected. But, because he was on the GOP ticket you voted for him.

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Do you realize how silly you sound?

trouble13 said:

So is the butthurt

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Just wait. In a few years you'll be complaining about it too. Right now, you don't mind because you're winning.

independentusa said:

When a GOPer gets in the voting booth, no matter how bad the GOP candidate or how good the Dem candidate, the GOPER will always, and I mean always, vote for the GOP candidate. They are too brain dead to do otherwise. They think that the poorest GOP candidate has to be better than the best Dem candidate. And where has this led us, probably in the near future to another recession like the last GOP president did when he also controlled the house and Senate. I hope that the next Dem president can pull us out of the mess this one puts us in.

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This is not about issues. This is all just about protecting and preserving white protestant Christian identity and cultural hegemony in America. It has been that way since Nixon's highly successful Southern Strategy. If you try to look at it and figure it out any other way, it will make no sense.

Henrin said:

So the democrats spent more money and lost again. Gosh, I wonder when leftists will stop talking about Citizens United. lol

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When the money for unlimited anonymous opposition research and propaganda dries up?

Not good for anybody.

Captain Adverse said:

Karen Handel wins in the most expensive Congressional election ever. $50 million according to this article: Spending in Georgia Sixth race pushes past $50 million | Political Insider blog

Then there is the NYT:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/politics/karen-handel-georgia-special-election.html?smtyp=cur

The Progressives around the nation poured money into this election, pundits projected an easy win. The Alt-Left Media was crowing his win was in the bag and would prove people were fed up with Trump...right until "Surprise! Surprise!" he lost.

I wonder when the Alt-Left will realize that just because they yell the loudest, post the most dirt, and throw the most mud...it doesn't mean they've actually won much ground among people who voted for Trump.

Still, one must admire the persistence of the New York Times in the anti-Trump narrative, considering this victory not for Trump, but rather:



Of course if she had lost...there'd be a hue and cry at how it represents a groundswell against Mr. Trump. :roll:

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Dopamine is a hell of a drug.

Cigar said:

Belief is powerful ... they still think giving Tax Breaks to The Rich translates to more Jobs, even though they never can nor ever could provide proof.

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Dopamine. Its the dopamine. Its ALWAYS the dopamine.

Its why we can't have nice things.

What if...? said:

Dopamine is a hell of a drug.

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Which is why you failed to address one single point he brought up.
However once the dopamine has wore off democrats lost 5 other elections
Last night as well.

So yea there you have it.

rocket88 said:

Just wait. In a few years you'll be complaining about it too. Right now, you don't mind because you're winning.

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Im not a fan pf gerrymandering. Its as old as politics. Hell our states were gerrymandered. How do you think they got those strange shapes to them. I have yet to hear a good solution for it

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rocket88 said:

And you all were in favor of it.

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If you get taxed, you should get a voice. Since corps. can't vote, then they should at least be allowed to use their money as their voice. The thing is spending money on elections isn't all that effective a way to influence an election's results. I think that corps. should stop spending money on elections because it's dumb thing to do with their money.

ludin said:

Which is why you failed to address one single point he brought up.
However once the dopamine has wore off democrats lost 5 other elections
Last night as well.

So yea there you have it.

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It didn't wear off though.

Followers need to follow. Following their leaders gives them dopamine.

Believing their leaders aren't working in their best interests threatens their dopamine supply.

So.like all addicts they don't do anything that threatens cutting off their supply.

So they refuse to see.

Everybody.

All the time.

Its all about dopamine.

Greed? Dopamine.

Hunger for power? Dopamine.

Taking ever bigger risks with the whole economy? Dopamine.

An addictive neurotransmitter to which tolerance develops. Same chemical cocaine and Meth mimic/release. Same behavior patterns from it's addicts. Always needing more for the same effects. Same justifications for negative behaviors that keep the flow going.

And history reveals a pattern. Where those in power, those who seek wealth never stop trying to get more wealth and power until they make life untenable for everybody else and they are forced to stop.

It really is why we can't have nice things.

independentusa said:

That is total crap. How do you think that Reagan got elected twice, because a lot of Dems voted for him. That is just to mention one. Even trump got a lot of Dem votes. Mostly from poor, uneducated whites, but Dems.

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How did Obama get elected?

slick said:

I could be wrong but I do think Ossoff had the lead right up until the last 4 or 5 days when there
was a big shift. Maybe the constant Trump hate & Russian investigation championed by CNN &
MSNBC has just sickened people who were on the fence & the shooting of the Republican
ballplayers was the straw that broke the camels back. Two weeks ago I could have bet $100 on Handel
& won $230 she was expected to lose then. Early this morning the odds became even money.

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Sounds like a replay of the Trump election.

Was it the same polling companies that said that?

faithful_servant said:

If you get taxed, you should get a voice. Since corps. can't vote, then they should at least be allowed to use their money as their voice. The thing is spending money on elections isn't all that effective a way to influence an election's results. I think that corps. should stop spending money on elections because it's dumb thing to do with their money.

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I don't necessarily have a huge problem with the decision. I just find it amusing how suddenly corporate money becomes bad when it goes to Democrats.

independentusa said:

When a GOPer gets in the voting booth, no matter how bad the GOP candidate or how good the Dem candidate, the GOPER will always, and I mean always, vote for the GOP candidate. They are too brain dead to do otherwise. They think that the poorest GOP candidate has to be better than the best Dem candidate. And where has this led us, probably in the near future to another recession like the last GOP president did when he also controlled the house and Senate. I hope that the next Dem president can pull us out of the mess this one puts us in.

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I think you need to take a look back through history. It shows that those who identify with either party will vote for their party's candidate approximately 90% of the time. This is for both parties, not just the Republicans. For those who identify or affiliate themselves with the two major parties, it is the R or the D next to the candidate's name that is important, not the name of the candidate. For those who place such loyalty to their party, the odds are that they will vote for the best candidate half the time, for the worst the other half.

Even those who call themselves independents, but lean toward one or the other party will vote for the party's candidate they lean towards around 80% of the time. Keep in mind Ossoff was inexperienced. This was the first political office he ever ran for, hence he has never held a political or elected office. Handle on the other hand was a Fulton County Commissioner and then chaired the Country commission. She was also elected to the Georgia Secretary of State office. She has had plenty of political experience.

Who is a good or bad candidate probably has more to do with one's political perspective and whether one is a Republican or democrat. Handle was the better qualified candidate, whether one considers that as being a good or bad candidate I assume depends on which party on is loyal to or considers himself to be a member of.

What if...? said:

It didn't wear off though.

Followers need to follow. Following their leaders gives them dopamine.

Believing their leaders aren't working in their best interests threatens their dopamine supply.

So.like all addicts they don't do anything that threatens cutting off their supply.

So they refuse to see.

Everybody.

All the time.

Its all about dopamine.

Greed? Dopamine.

Hunger for power? Dopamine.

Taking ever bigger risks with the whole economy? Dopamine.

An addictive neurotransmitter to which tolerance develops. Same chemical cocaine and Meth mimic/release. Same behavior patterns from it's addicts. Always needing more for the same effects. Same justifications for negative behaviors that keep the flow going.

And history reveals a pattern. Where those in power, those who seek wealth never stop trying to get more wealth and power until they make life untenable for everybody else and they are forced to stop.

It really is why we can't have nice things.

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Still didn't say anything as usual.

ludin said:

Still didn't say anything as usual.

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Understanding threatens your dopamine supply!

Seriously though. Its looking like addiction to neurochemicals is a much broader condition triangle originally thought.

And it isn't just dopamine. Dopamine's just about tthe "wanting" part. Its dopamine plus serotonin or dopamine plus oxytosin.