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Jury finds cop not guilty in shooting of black in Minnesota

Meaning, they felt it was entirely possible that the officer felt he was in danger?

More that, under the circumstances, it would not have been unreasonable for him to have felt that way. It's a subtle difference but it's always possible that someone is afraid but that fear must also be based on a reasonable assessment of the situation.

I'm not happy with the way the cop responded and don't believe that I'd have acted similarly myself but, from a strictly legal standpoint, I can't disagree with the jury.
 
Yeah. If you don't mind being ignorant. Homicide = dead due to human action.

What's important are the details that seek to shed light on the WHYS of those human actions.


time for more larnin...

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
"he was charged with homicide"
synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
the police department that deals with murders.
noun: Homicide
"a detective from Homicide"
dated
a murderer.
 
More that, under the circumstances, it would not have been unreasonable for him to have felt that way. It's a subtle difference but it's always possible that someone is afraid but that fear must also be based on a reasonable assessment of the situation.

I'm not happy with the way the cop responded and don't believe that I'd have acted similarly myself but, from a strictly legal standpoint, I can't disagree with the jury.


the testimony is the gun was in the victims pocket and the victim was lifting his hands to be clearly visible
 
time for more larnin...

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
"he was charged with homicide"
synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
the police department that deals with murders.
noun: Homicide
"a detective from Homicide"
dated
a murderer.

I left out intentional.

So you got me. Now admit the 2nd line is equally important.
 
dont forget the unlawful part

And how would the coroner, based just on a naked dead body, determine if a killing is lawful or not?

It's their job to determine cause of death, and little else.
 
A jury found him not guilty.


Begs the question...what info do they have that we don't?

Bingo

The information we know has been spun in the media machine and hours of testimony doubt and evidence is condensed down into a few hundred words and twenty seconds of sound bytes.

But that never let that get in the way of some good armchair lawyering from those who knew better with less information.
 
Interesting how some are trying to make this incident a "race" issue. imo, I don't care what color the person shot is or what color the LEO is.
Would it make any difference to someone's view if the person shot was white.

For whatever reason the jury did not feel the LEO broke any law. Should the LEO shot the person? Maybe not, but we were not their and in the LEO's shoes.
 
Interesting how some are trying to make this incident a "race" issue. imo, I don't care what color the person shot is or what color the LEO is.
Would it make any difference to someone's view if the person shot was white.

For whatever reason the jury did not feel the LEO broke any law. Should the LEO shot the person? Maybe not, but we were not their and in the LEO's shoes.

"Would it make any difference to someone's view if the person shot was white."

Yeah, it does to many as we know, and institutionally as well. Hence the questioning that the system cannot stand up to.
 
time for more larnin...

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
"he was charged with homicide"
synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
the police department that deals with murders.
noun: Homicide
"a detective from Homicide"
dated
a murderer.

Legal Homicides

Some homicides are not illegal. Criminal laws carve out exceptions for some killings which would otherwise fall under criminal laws against manslaughter or murder. These are referred to as "justified homicide". One primary example is a killing in justified self-defense or defense of someone else. Such a homicide is deemed justified if the situation called for self-defense and state law allows lethal force in that type of situation. Most state laws allow justified homicide to defend oneself or another from credible threat of serious crimes such as rape, armed robbery and murder.
 
"Would it make any difference to someone's view if the person shot was white."

Yeah, it does to many as we know, and institutionally as well. Hence the questioning that the system cannot stand up to.

I disagree. I was trying to say the situation is the same, the LEO shot the person and the person was white. Jury most likely would come to the same conclusion. Not Guilty.

I was not trying to see if the victim was white, that some would say the LEO would not have fired.
 
In the mean time 80 plus blacks were shot and killed in Chicago ...and not a peep

Ah yes, those blacks in Chicago, perfect. Not a peep from your crowd perhaps. Others talk about it all the time. Doesn't your tv relay that to you?
 
Ah yes, those blacks in Chicago, perfect. Not a peep from your crowd perhaps. Others talk about it all the time. Doesn't your tv relay that to you?

Can u point to ONE riot or looting in Chicago over blacks killing blacks in HUGE numbers
 
Can u point to ONE riot or looting in Chicago over blacks killing blacks in HUGE numbers

Isn't the entire thing one running riot over blacks killing blacks in HUGE numbers?

And why do you need to turn this all to blacks anytime your system is questioned? Can your system not withstand scrutiny? You sure do need to alter the subject. You learned that from your TV didn't you.
 
So just feeling you are in danger is enough to allow the killing of another human being? You don't need to be in actual danger? TO me it gives policemen too much leeway and makes them judge, jury and executioner.
 
This is a situation where a POLICEMAN shot a black man. How many times have we seen this play out. And look at the other shooting I mentioned where the man was running away and got shot in the back and still the policeman got off.
 
If you have followed this shooting, what do you think of the verdict? I guess I begin to wonder about the people they choose to be policemen. In the Carolina shooting where the policeman shot the man who was running away and unarmed in the back eight times led to a hung jury. It makes you wonder.

Interesting way you titled this thread.

"Shooting of black" instead of using the mans name.
 
He was pulled over 52 times in less than 15 years (and had no felony convictions in his life). I'm surprised he was never shot before. Peaceful protests went throughout last night and thousands of people marched without a single arrest being made. If thousands of Minnesotans feel their lives are in danger because of profiling, yet not engage in a single violent interaction during a heated march the day of the verdict, why can't one police officer have the common sense to see that a man who has been pulled over 52 times and has a child in his back seat isn't going to shoot you with the gun he just told you he legally carries?

It's messed up. Pulled over because "just because" he had a "wide set nose" and somebody who robbed a store a few days before also had a wide set nose. I have respect for the verdict, but only because there's no better way to do things. My sympathy goes out to the family, I am angry with them, and my gratitude goes out to the protestors and the state of Minnesota who made sure things ran smoothly.

Why do you think it is important how many times he was pulled over?

Maybe he was a crappy driver.

Do you have evidence he shouldn't have been pulled over as many times as he did?
 
Interesting how some are trying to make this incident a "race" issue. imo, I don't care what color the person shot is or what color the LEO is.
Would it make any difference to someone's view if the person shot was white.

For whatever reason the jury did not feel the LEO broke any law. Should the LEO shot the person? Maybe not, but we were not their and in the LEO's shoes.

If the person shot was white there would be no thread as evidenced by the title.
 
it is a race issue and blacks will continue to resent being murdered by cops and riot until society gets it. enjoy your riots folks.
 
If he had been white, there would be no story as he would not have been pulled over or shot.
 
Why do you think it is important how many times he was pulled over?

Maybe he was a crappy driver.

Do you have evidence he shouldn't have been pulled over as many times as he did?

Yes. He was pulled over for having a wide set nose when he died. You want to defend that, go ahead, but you'd be wrong before you start typing. Half of the times he received citations they were dismissed. Driving without a muffler and not wearing a seatbelt topped the list. I could not wear a seatbelt for months and not get pulled over because I'm white and my car is a stereotypical white person car. I was 7 months late renewing my tabs before I got pulled over and wasn't cited. May I mention that I live 3 miles from where the shooting happened? This week I was present when a black woman was pulled over and ordered out of her car and searched, then let go without any explanation of what happened or why. The worst thing about racism in America is the morons who pretend it doesn't exist. More than half have probably never formally met a black person. I have no idea but I'm guessing you know... maybe, let say... zero black people?
 
Yes. He was pulled over for having a wide set nose when he died. You want to defend that, go ahead, but you'd be wrong before you start typing. Half of the times he received citations they were dismissed. Driving without a muffler and not wearing a seatbelt topped the list. I could not wear a seatbelt for months and not get pulled over because I'm white and my car is a stereotypical white person car. I was 7 months late renewing my tabs before I got pulled over and wasn't cited. May I mention that I live 3 miles from where the shooting happened? This week I was present when a black woman was pulled over and ordered out of her car and searched, then let go without any explanation of what happened or why. The worst thing about racism in America is the morons who pretend it doesn't exist. More than half have probably never formally met a black person. I have no idea but I'm guessing you know... maybe, let say... zero black people?

You are being ridiculous. SO he got a ticket for driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt and you think that because he is black he should have been given the ticket.

Is it against the law to drive without a muffler and drive without a seat belt? If you answer yes, then why are you upset he got a ticket for it?

What is this **** about driving with a wide nose? What kind of stereotype is that?
 
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