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Gregg Jarrett: Trump should demand Mueller quit as special counsel

akyron said:
I dont think he was that good a friend of obama if that is what you are arguing.
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I don't think you know what thread you're participating in, right now.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Suddenly now
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Let me stop you there. I and many others said Mueller was a horrible choice from the start because of his personal friendship with Mueller. There is no "all of a sudden" anything. Please save your partisanship.
 
Cardinal said:
I don't think you know what thread you're participating in, right now.
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At this point I am just messing with you.

I can see the difference between a ten year plus friendship and I really like that job that ive been in for 5 months.

I am not sure anyone else can at this point.
 
reinoe said:
Let me stop you there. I and many others said Mueller was a horrible choice from the start because of his personal friendship with Mueller. There is no "all of a sudden" anything. Please save your partisanship.
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Thank you. People said that right off the bat but comey leaking to get this counsel in there invalidates it in the first place.

This is just another stage tier in a babylonian tower of bs.
 
Cardinal said:
Good catch. And that second part is why a "wait and see" approach is being used.
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Very true, but I'll remind, Comey isn't the subject of the investigation.

Nor does (b) apply, IMO.

(1) Any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution; or

(2) Any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.
 
American said:
Non-partisan thoughts?
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I'm pretty sure that anyone who is non-partisan sees through this partisan nonsense.

If Trump says pretty much anything directly to Mueller other than providing testimony, a) it's going to go on the record, and b) ordering or merely "suggesting" that Mueller quit will be another possible instance of obstruction.

The idea that it suddenly occurred to legal experts that Comey would be involved in the investigation just this week is hilarious.

Ironically, the real potential conflict of interest is that Mueller's old law firm represented Manafort, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner in some matters. (Mueller did not personally work on any of their cases.)
 
Risky Thicket said:
I call bull**** on Jarrett and his partisan blather.

Mueller is about as good as it gets. Even the GOP said that when he was appointed. Mueller was appointed by the Trump Administration, his own DOJ. Suddenly now that the investigation includes Trump we begin to hear that Mueller is a bad choice. That is a load of hooey. It is at the root likely to be more orchestrated re-direction from the White House.

Former Fox News guy Jarrett is a WH tool being used to send the desired message to the dwindling Trump base.
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Trump's left a trail to and from Russia since 1979.

There are several outlets that have developed an investigative chronology regarding Trump and his direct and indirect relationships with Russian government officials and business dealings with but Bill Moyer has posted a well constructed detailed list of Trump's history on his site.

Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

Humpty Trumpty fell off the wall a long time ago.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump's left a trail to and from Russia since 1979.

There are several outlets that have developed an investigative chronology regarding Trump and his direct and indirect relationships with Russian government officials and business dealings with but Bill Moyer has posted a well constructed detailed list of Trump's history on his site.

Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

Humpty Trumpty fell off the wall a long time ago.
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Wow. Thanks for that. I've been following details of Trump's long history of ties with Russian heads and oligarchs, but even I was blown away by some of those previously unknown connections.
 
American said:
Thanks for your non-partisan (cough) response.
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These days, if anyone from a certain party steps out at high noon and declares it's daytime, he will be declared partisan and biased by the other side. Yes, it's gotten that bad.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump's left a trail to and from Russia since 1979.

There are several outlets that have developed an investigative chronology regarding Trump and his direct and indirect relationships with Russian government officials and business dealings with but Bill Moyer has posted a well constructed detailed list of Trump's history on his site.

Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

Humpty Trumpty fell off the wall a long time ago.
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Wow! That's excellent. Thanks, RM.
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump's left a trail to and from Russia since 1979.

There are several outlets that have developed an investigative chronology regarding Trump and his direct and indirect relationships with Russian government officials and business dealings with but Bill Moyer has posted a well constructed detailed list of Trump's history on his site.

Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

Humpty Trumpty fell off the wall a long time ago.
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Two Things:

1. Trump supporters will not read the excellent timeline in the link you provided. It's too long and they'll wait for it in youtube video format or they'll wait for Fox and Breitbart to give them a 30 second Clif's Notes version.

2. Whether or not they read the article you provided with the timeline they'll claim that every item is nothing more than coincidence.

Bonus point: They'll claim that it's all part of the "witch hunt."
 
reinoe said:
Let me stop you there. I and many others said Mueller was a horrible choice from the start because of his personal friendship with Mueller. There is no "all of a sudden" anything. Please save your partisanship.
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That maybe so, however you do not hold a leadership role in Washington. During the appointment process of Mueller not one Senator or Rep , Democrat or Republican, was against the appointment of Mueller chosen in large part by the President. Mueller was praised by politicians from both sides of the aisle, everyone give their high accolades of Mueller...But now he is ALL OF A SUDDEN a conflict of interest? It is rumored (not fact) that Trump would like to fire him? Now we have some Republicans second guessing?:lamo:lamo

What gives????:doh
 
LunaRose said:
That maybe so, however you do not hold a leadership role in Washington. During the appointment process of Mueller not one Senator or Rep , Democrat or Republican, was against the appointment of Mueller chosen in large part by the President. Mueller was praised by politicians from both sides of the aisle, everyone give their high accolades of Mueller...But now he is ALL OF A SUDDEN a conflict of interest? It is rumored (not fact) that Trump would like to fire him? Now we have some Republicans second guessing?:lamo:lamo

What gives????:doh
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This just in: swamp dwelling monsters sing the praises of other swamp dwelling monsters.

I can't speak on the lack of integrity of the GOP Congress. All I can control are my actions. I knew Mueller was an inappropriate choice from the beginning.
 
American said:
Thanks for your non-partisan (cough) response.
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The only "non-partisan response" you wanted was one that agreed with your OP. All others need not reply.
 
DiAnna said:
The only "non-partisan response" you wanted was one that agreed with your OP. All others need not reply.
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I actually thought I gave the most non-partisan reply in the thread (post #2), and the OP didn't even acknowledge it.:roll:
 
Removable Mind said:
Trump's left a trail to and from Russia since 1979.

There are several outlets that have developed an investigative chronology regarding Trump and his direct and indirect relationships with Russian government officials and business dealings with but Bill Moyer has posted a well constructed detailed list of Trump's history on his site.

Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

Humpty Trumpty fell off the wall a long time ago.
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wow, that is very classy; a RUSSIAN MOLE in The White House ...................

maybe the Russian mole can disable America's defenses so the Russians can just walk right in and take over without so much as a good battle taking place

wake up America ...................... Trojan horse ....................... traitor ...................
 
reinoe said:
This just in: swamp dwelling monsters sing the praises of other swamp dwelling monsters.

I can't speak on the lack of integrity of the GOP Congress. All I can control are my actions. I knew Mueller was an inappropriate choice from the beginning.
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Yes, I understand you can only control your actions. However, Trump and Rosenstien made the decision to appoint Mueller. Trumps administration supported the decision. Every politician ranging across the political spectrum supported the decision. The right and left wing media outlets had nothing negative to say about the appointment...You do understand that a unanimous pick like this does not happen often in our political world now a days?

Comey's and Mueller's friendship was not a secret, colleagues in many professions become friends. This is not proof that Mueller can not do the job that was asked of him and not one soul in Washington or anywhere else disagreed when the appointment process was taking place, including the President and his administration. (Of course other than yourself. :mrgreen:)
 
Mueller is going at this methodically and completely.

If there really is "no there, there" the POTUS should be able to satisfy even the most partisan Dem that there was no collusion or obstruction. If this investigation was half-assed, the cloud would hang over his head (and the heads of all the Republicans) for the next few election cycles.

He should follow his own plan. Refer all questions to the appropriate person and STHU about the situation.

Right now he just looks like a petulant adolescent with all the tweets.
 
American said:
Gregg Jarrett: Trump should demand Mueller quit as special counsel | Fox News



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor#Firing_the_special_prosecutor

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...c=true&node=pt28.2.600&rgn=div5#se28.2.600_17

Non-partisan thoughts?
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I disagree with Jarrett's position.

At this point I would like to see a full investigation. This would include the actions of the Obama Administration, Bill/Hillary Clinton, the DNC, Loretta Lynch, leakers, Democrat Leadership in Congress, and all the other players who have surfaced.

I believe the public deserves to see what is trying to control and rule over them.

Do I believe this would happen? Not in a million years.
 
Chomsky said:
Try as I may, I searched your links and could not find the following clause:

"The special counsel statute specifically prohibits Mueller from serving if he has “a personal relationship with any person substantially involved in the investigation or prosecution.” "

Can you point-out where this is?
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I'm with you - did a Google search on the term and got nothing but the Fox News article.

As an aside, when someone writing for a major publication is supposedly quoting statute, but doesn't cite the statute (which section) much less provide a link to it, it's a HUUUUGGE red flag for me. It's at best very lazy and very sloppy, which doesn't bode well for the quality of the argument itself.
 
Paperview said:
Trump humper Jarrett snatched it from here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/45.2, and it's not from "the special counsel statute."

He also left this part out:

(2)Personal relationship means a close and substantial connection of the type normally viewed as likely to induce partiality. An employee is presumed to have a personal relationship with his father, mother, brother, sister, child and spouse. Whether relationships (including friendships) of an employee to other persons or organizations are “personal” must be judged on an individual basis with due regard given to the subjective opinion of the employee.
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The hack also misquoted the relevant section which is why it doesn't show up in a google search. Omitted part bolded.

(a) Unless authorized under paragraph (b) of this section, no employee shall participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with:

(1) Any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution; or
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Goodness, this guy's a lawyer. He should be ashamed and embarrassed to put out that kind of hackery. Hope he got a good price for his integrity. :roll:
 
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Just like during the general election Trump and his apologists were laying the groundwork for his possible loss by daily preemptive strikes about 'illegals' voting and the election being 'rigged'.

We're seeing that tactic again. They are trying to sabotage possible bad news from Mueller with a preemptive strike on his credibility and objectivity.
 
JasperL said:
My first one is the language Gregg Jarret quotes is not in the special counsel statute. Can't find it anywhere, in fact.
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I provided the best links I could find.
 
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