Trump may fire Mueller!!

holbritter · Jun 13, 2017

poweRob said:
The smear campaign has begun to lay the ground work for Trump to fabricate an excuse upon.

Gingrich: Time to rethink special counsel Mueller | TheHill

Republicans are delusional if they think the special counsel is going to be fair. Look who he is hiring.check fec reports. Time to rethink.
12 June 2017

Which is hilrious considering this comment from Puke Gingrich not even a whole month ago:

Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down
17 May 2017

I guess you never change your mind based on new developments on something? Perhaps he was wrong (his thoughts) as being shown by who is being hired? Happens all the time in everyday life.

holbritter · Jun 13, 2017

Vetplus40 said:
First off, everything that Trump does regarding Russia makes him look more guilty. As such, Trump is either ignorant, guilty or both.

Nixon tried the same tactic and wound up being impeached because of it. Maybe the same thing will befall Trump. We can only hope.

Pence for President!

holbritter · Jun 13, 2017

Whythink said:
Best analysis, wait until dems take house in 18. Pence goes down too.
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MaggieD · Jun 13, 2017

independentusa said:
Trump Is Seriously Considering Terminating Russia Special Counsel Robert Mueller

It seems that Trump is being pushed by some of his followers to fire Special Counsel Mueller. Every time I turn around this Russiagate gets more and more like Watergate. I wonder who Trump will get to fire Mueller. And does he really think that will end the Russian investigations and all the other aspects of that situation. It didn't with the Watergate Investigation and I don't believe it will now. The only thing it will do is make it obvious that Trump has something to hide and make him guilty even in the minds of some of those who presently are his supporters. Of course i am sure there are many of you out there that believe he should do so and that he is totally innocent. Maybe he is, but firing Mueller won't help him, only make him seem more guilty.

Friends of Donald Trump are telling reporters that the President is seriously considering terminating Russia special counsel Robert Mueller

:lamo

katzgar · Jun 13, 2017

firing mueller will certainly put trump into an even deeper cluster ****.

Perotista · Jun 13, 2017

independentusa said:
Trump Is Seriously Considering Terminating Russia Special Counsel Robert Mueller

It seems that Trump is being pushed by some of his followers to fire Special Counsel Mueller. Every time I turn around this Russiagate gets more and more like Watergate. I wonder who Trump will get to fire Mueller. And does he really think that will end the Russian investigations and all the other aspects of that situation. It didn't with the Watergate Investigation and I don't believe it will now. The only thing it will do is make it obvious that Trump has something to hide and make him guilty even in the minds of some of those who presently are his supporters. Of course i am sure there are many of you out there that believe he should do so and that he is totally innocent. Maybe he is, but firing Mueller won't help him, only make him seem more guilty.

I don't know if Trump has done anything wrong or not. I do know the Democrats are trying to destroy him for defeating their queen at no matter the cost to the nation. But if Trump fires Mueller, you're correct. He can kiss his presidency goodbye. If he does that, whether the charges are correct or not, guilty or not, did wrong or not becomes irrelevant in most American's mind. I never liked Trump and never voted for him. But I have been willing to give him a chance which according to the polls, 90% of Democrats weren't.

Trump's only hope of a successful presidency lies with Independents, the non-affiliated. He has been slowly losing them to where approximately half now disapprove him. Firing Mueller would be the last straw for them. It would also be the last straw I think for many Republicans who were opposed to him to begin with and consider Trump an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. They have kept quiet for the most part since the election, but a Mueller firing would end that. They would much rather see a President Pence.

We shall see. Is Trump politically tone deaf?

katzgar · Jun 13, 2017

Perotista said:
I don't know if Trump has done anything wrong or not. I do know the Democrats are trying to destroy him for defeating their queen at no matter the cost to the nation. But if Trump fires Mueller, you're correct. He can kiss his presidency goodbye. If he does that, whether the charges are correct or not, guilty or not, did wrong or not becomes irrelevant in most American's mind. I never liked Trump and never voted for him. But I have been willing to give him a chance which according to the polls, 90% of Democrats weren't.

Trump's only hope of a successful presidency lies with Independents, the non-affiliated. He has been slowly losing them to where approximately half now disapprove him. Firing Mueller would be the last straw for them. It would also be the last straw I think for many Republicans who were opposed to him to begin with and consider Trump an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. They have kept quiet for the most part since the election, but a Mueller firing would end that. They would much rather see a President Pence.

We shall see. Is Trump politically tone deaf?

when trump went birther he guaranteed rabid democrat opposition.

Perotista · Jun 13, 2017

katzgar said:
when trump went birther he guaranteed rabid democrat opposition.

Trump has seeded his own downfall with all the feuds he created himself. Even among Republicans. There are around 15-20% of all Republicans who dislike Trump about as much as the Democrats do. Only for them they disliked Clinton and the Democrats a bit more. But those folks wouldn't be unhappy to see Trump gone. I think that number would double if Trump fires Mueller, perhaps even triple.

The thing to remember is Trump's core supporters probably make up only 25-30% of the total electorate disregarding political parties and ideology. That is at least ten points lower than the core support that Obama and Bush II had. He isn't well liked outside of his core.

People may have disagreed with Obama's policies, but over all he was well liked as a person by the majority of Americans. Trump I don't think is. His persona grates on people. It isn't so much his policies, what he has tried to do or done, it is his personality. That turns off quite a lot of folks.

Mach · Jun 13, 2017

hanger4 said:
Did you know the Obama administration sent a team to Israel to factually interfere in their elections ??

But Obama.

Mach · Jun 13, 2017

reinoe said:
The question is "when does it end".

And yet neither the House, nor the Senate, nor the FBI investigation has concluded, and yet you think they are all complicit, when two all three were basically led by Republicans? You have nothing reinoe, you never do. Such investigations take years, and may spawn other investigations - see Benghazi. What's most important is that it doesn't end when Trump wants it to, nor does it end when Trump supporters want it to. It ends when each group says it ends.

The investigation itself wasn't a criminal or civil investigation to begin with. It was an intelligence investigation.

Who said it was, and why would that be relevant? Russia isn't subject to U.S. criminal and civil law (in most cases) It's worse than a petty criminal act, it's an adversarial foreign power intervening in our election.
Whether it's now a criminal investigation has not been disclosed that I'm aware of, that's up to Rosenstein/Mueller. Based on Trump's behavior, and his campaign ties to Russia, I would hope they do a criminal probe. Add to that the calls for obstruction, I don't see how they cannot investigate that aspect of it.

Try harder to obstruct it, it will only make matters worse.

hanger4 · Jun 13, 2017

Mach said:
But Obama.

Your double standards are noted.

Mach · Jun 13, 2017

hanger4 said:
Your double standards are noted.

Evidence my personal standards please, else, retract it.

hanger4 · Jun 13, 2017

Mach said:
Evidence my personal standards please, else, retract it.

You ignore the Obama administration interfering in the Israeli election yet castigate Russia interfering in ours. Double standards.

Cigar · Jun 13, 2017

Vetplus40 said:
The "Trumpbots" MIGHT see Trump's true colors when his policies result in their families starving, dying, becoming homeless or something of that severe magnitude. I don't think that most of them possess the intellectual capacity to recognize and analyize the "smoke" BEFORE it becomes a "Five alarm fire".

He Pisses on them and they ask for more ... I could use a good piss after my first 3 Beers today. :mrgreen:

Mach · Jun 13, 2017

hanger4 said:
You ignore the Obama administration interfering in the Israeli election yet castigate Russia interfering in ours. Double standards.

How do you have any clue what I personally ignore or support, etc? You don't, so stop making it personal, it's not an argument you can win, or should pursue.

countryboy · Jun 13, 2017

Mach said:
How do you have any clue what I personally ignore or support, etc? You don't, so stop making it personal, it's not an argument you can win, or should pursue.

Your posts scream, left wing partisan hackery. From there, it's not too difficult to extrapolate.

DA60 · Jun 13, 2017

NIMBY said:
Democrats at all levels don't have the guts, brains or determination to fight GOPs. They'd rather fight with each other.

Democrats should have been doing ads for the last 21 weeks, as GOPs have.

Nationwide fund-raising for the DNC, DCCC, etc. is lagging behind the GOP PACs. DEM history, as in 2014, is to spend too much too late, when minds are made up .

Well, this is the most ignorant statement I have yet read on here today.

You cannot possibly know every Dem on every 'level'.

So to actually state that you know that NONE of these people - whom you do not know - have the guts, brains or determination to fight GOPs is beyond childish and silly.

So noted.

Have a GREAT day.

Mach · Jun 13, 2017

countryboy said:
Your posts scream, left wing partisan hackery. From there, it's not too difficult to extrapolate.

So you have nothing to back your claim. Double standard indeed!
Ok, I won't complain about your lack of evidence, if you'll STFU about the lack of evidence that Trump's an unwitting Russian plant..how's that trade for ya?

And since when was Trump a conservative? What partisanship? Hating an incompetent asshole in the whitehouse? That's as American as it gets. I hate ignorance, incompetent assholes that are in a position to cause a lot of damage. I don't care what party he's with. Although Republicans are noteworthy for hiring relative lightweights in terms of politics and brains, they like the easily manipulated ones so they can get their actual agenda (big business/low taxes) through.

Linc · Jun 13, 2017

DA60 said:
Well, this is the most ignorant statement I have yet read on here today.

You cannot possibly know every Dem on every 'level'.

So to actually state that you know that NONE of these people - whom you do not know - have the guts, brains or determination to fight GOPs is beyond childish and silly.

So noted.

Have a GREAT day.

Yer obviously not paying attention to Democrats across the nation. You are paying attention to me after the Gallup thread by calling me ignorant.

Are you still not a DEM or a GOP? I assume yer happy with trump and DC GOPs by trying to play the Nixon division card .

FastPace · Jun 13, 2017

Mach said:
Russia isn't subject to U.S. criminal and civil law (in most cases) It's worse than a petty criminal act, it's an adversarial foreign power intervening in our election.

Sure, the Russians are Responsible for people casting their votes for Hillary Clinton. That's why she had people voting for her right, because she got the Russians to get Americans to vote for her?

Why would American politicians lie about the Russians anyways... I mean American politicians have no history of telling lies or being deceptive at all.

Nayirah al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎), called "Nurse Nayirah" in the media, was a fifteen-year-old Kuwaiti girl, who alleged that she had witnessed the murder of infant children by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, in verbal testimony to the U.S. Congress, in the run up to the 1991 Gulf War. Her testimony, which was regarded as credible at the time, has since come to be regarded as wartime propaganda. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony. Nayirah's testimony was widely publicized. Hill & Knowlton, which had filmed the hearing, sent out a video news release to Medialink, a firm which served about 700 television stations in the United States. That night, portions of the testimony aired on ABC's Nightline and NBC Nightly News reaching an estimated audience between 35 and 53 million Americans. Seven senators cited Nayirah's testimony in their speeches backing the use of force. President George Bush repeated the story at least ten times in the following weeks. (Wikipedia)

I think the Russians and Putin in particular interfered in the peaceful race relations of the United States too. I remember when Obama was in office and how all the white Republicans expressed soooo much love for him. How no racial tension between blacks and whites existed. Then Putin came along. He rubbed his hands together and plotted to cause all the problems in the United States and entered the heads of American voters and tell them how to vote.