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Protests of ICE after dozens arrested from overnight raids in Michigan....

They identified themselves as Chaldean on the T.V. report. Which I've mentioned already, but you failed miserably at basic reading. I didn't 'dredge up' the group. In Southeast Michigan we have many who identify as Chaldean. During the Flint water crisis, one of the doctors who first reported it (May have been the first one actually) labeled herself as Chaldean.

Good for them to honor their ancestry. Heritage is important to many people. Individuals still identify themselves as their Native American tribes despite those countries having been assimilated or reduced to the size of a county or two. If you head to the Yucatan, you will find many who identify themselves as Mayan. People can identify with their cultural heritage. Whether it is right for them to do so can be debated, but you being so bent out of shape I called them what they identified as is nonsensical.

It's been fun playing this game.
 
Napoleon said:
Didn't you read the article you posted? The man who was arrested is a green card holder.
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I re-read the article. There is no mention of him being a green card holder. I would appear, given he came here when he was 9, you assume he is.
 
Winston said:
Do you dispute that undocumented people are guaranteed due process under the 14th Am.?

And that conservatives who oppose this, oppose the Constitution. Because that's all I've said in this thread.
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I do not dispute it. Please point to where due process has not been applied in the this case. Do you plan to get informed, or do you plan to just post stuff from an emotional basis?
 
ocean515 said:
I re-read the article. There is no mention of him being a green card holder. I would appear, given he came here when he was 9, you assume he is.
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No, that is what the article says in the very next paragraph so you didn't read it.
 
Napoleon said:
No, that is what the article says in the very next paragraph so you didn't read it.
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Excuse me for missing it. Yes, the sister does claim he has a green card.

Did you see the paragraph where it was stated each of the individuals received full and fair immigration proceedings?

Because they violated the rules that allowed them to live in the United States, the judge found they were not eligible for any form of relief under US Law and ordered them removed.

Green card or not, why do you excuse their responsibility?

I don't know on what grounds you are making your claim.
 
ajn678 said:
It's painfully clear to me that Liberals and Progressives only care about illegal immigrants because they hope one day they will be given the right to vote and will vote in similar patterns that African Americans vote in.
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Yes, my liberal immigration position is solely due to the fact that I want them to vote. Not that I care about my friends and family on a humane level, I am only interest in keeping them here to vote. You have figured it all out! :lol:
 
ocean515 said:
I do not dispute it. Please point to where due process has not been applied in the this case. Do you plan to get informed, or do you plan to just post stuff from an emotional basis?
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A. There's not a link in the OP.
B. The OP said it grinds his gears that illegal immigrants have rights.

ModerateRN said:
This particular issue really grinds my gears. I don't believe illegal immigrants deserve citizen rights. It was almost laughable to me that the families hiding the illegals should assume the process should go to the courts. The families should be lucky they were not arrested along with the illegals as some form of accessory. One family member mentioned that her brother was a good law-abiding person, and I'm screaming in my head "He was an ILLEGAL immigrant". The protestors took to the streets and impeded traffic for the busses that were carrying the illegals. I have strong feelings on this issue.


My $.02
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Winston said:
14th amendment equal protection. The Constitution grinds your gears? Not a very conservative position.
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And then conservatives swallowed that hook, line, and sinker. Of which you are an example of.
 
Winston said:
A. There's not a link in the OP.
B. The OP said it grinds his gears that illegal immigrants have rights.






And then conservatives swallowed that hook, line, and sinker. Of which you are an example of.
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So you refuse to be informed on the subject, and refuse to address the question. Not sure what you swallow, but I wouldn't recommend a second serving.
 
ModerateRN said:
Hello,

So I live in Michigan and over the last 24-48 hours I have been getting updates about a local
story about ICE raids on Chaldean illegal immigrants. I bring this up because there are protests going on about these raids and individuals are interviewed complaining the illegals should have been given rights to get lawyers.

This particular issue really grinds my gears. I don't believe illegal immigrants deserve citizen rights. It was almost laughable to me that the families hiding the illegals should assume the process should go to the courts. The families should be lucky they were not arrested along with the illegals as some form of accessory. One family member mentioned that her brother was a good law-abiding person, and I'm screaming in my head "He was an ILLEGAL immigrant". The protestors took to the streets and impeded traffic for the busses that were carrying the illegals. I have strong feelings on this issue.


My $.02
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They do have right to a lawyer. What makes you think otherwise?
 
ocean515 said:
So you refuse to be informed on the subject, and refuse to address the question. Not sure what you swallow, but I wouldn't recommend a second serving.
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Yep. I'm the dumb one. I'm the stupid one. The ignorant one. That's me. Move along.
 
Napoleon said:
An open mind for doing what exactly? Giving someone a green card only to tell them the rights afforded them by that status can be arbitrarily taken away by government goons?
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Why did you put the word arbitrarily in there when the man was convicted of a felony?

How is that at all arbitrarily?
 
Winston said:
Yep. I'm the dumb one. I'm the stupid one. The ignorant one. That's me. Move along.
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Didn't mean to trigger you. Just suggested you take some time to get informed on the topic before swinging your bat.
 
ModerateRN said:
They identified themselves as Chaldean on the T.V. report. Which I've mentioned already, but you failed miserably at basic reading. I didn't 'dredge up' the group. In Southeast Michigan we have many who identify as Chaldean. During the Flint water crisis, one of the doctors who first reported it (May have been the first one actually) labeled herself as Chaldean.

Good for them to honor their ancestry. Heritage is important to many people. Individuals still identify themselves as their Native American tribes despite those countries having been assimilated or reduced to the size of a county or two. If you head to the Yucatan, you will find many who identify themselves as Mayan. People can identify with their cultural heritage. Whether it is right for them to do so can be debated, but you being so bent out of shape I called them what they identified as is nonsensical.

It's been fun playing this game.
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Ah, and another staple of your particular group--- cowardly failing to quote the person you are talking to.

Chaldea hasn't been a thing for literally hundreds of years, whether you like that or not.

Only difference, buddy, is that Native American tribes still own land(albeit far less than they used to) and hold influence. Neither one applies to "Chaldea".
 
ocean515 said:
Didn't mean to trigger you. Just suggested you take some time to get informed on the topic before swinging your bat.
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Yes, you did. You just wanted to call me an idiot, of which my posts in this thread are no example of idiocy. And then go about squawking right wing talking points, originating in a Neanderthal's brain. I wouldn't change anything I've said. You've yet to score any points on me, as my statements on the 14th amendment were prudent, remain valid, and specific to the poster who said 'grinds my gears'. I bid you good luck with further character assassination attempts.
 
Winston said:
Yes, you did. You just wanted to call me an idiot, of which my posts in this thread are no example of idiocy. And then go about squawking right wing talking points, originating in a Neanderthal's brain. I wouldn't change anything I've said. You've yet to score any points on me, as my statements on the 14th amendment were prudent, remain valid, and specific to the poster who said 'grinds my gears'. I bid you good luck with further character assassination attempts.
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Winston said:
Yes, you did. You just wanted to call me an idiot, of which my posts in this thread are no example of idiocy. And then go about squawking right wing talking points, originating in a Neanderthal's brain. I wouldn't change anything I've said. You've yet to score any points on me, as my statements on the 14th amendment were prudent, remain valid, and specific to the poster who said 'grinds my gears'. I bid you good luck with further character assassination attempts.
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Chill out Winston. All I suggested was to get informed. It is your choice to refuse to answer any questions.

It's pretty absurd to make all these emotional accusations.

Adieu.
 
Mason66 said:
Why did you put the word arbitrarily in there when the man was convicted of a felony?

How is that at all arbitrarily?
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You might have something there if we were talking about a felony that happened recently, but what we're talking about is a green card holder who committed a non-violent crime many years ago, served his time, and has been a law abiding legal resident ever since as far as is known. Why is he being targeted over 10 years later? What prompted ICE to go after this man now? It looks and smells like an arbitrary decision.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Ah, and another staple of your particular group--- cowardly failing to quote the person you are talking to.

Chaldea hasn't been a thing for literally hundreds of years, whether you like that or not.

Only difference, buddy, is that Native American tribes still own land(albeit far less than they used to) and hold influence. Neither one applies to "Chaldea".
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Look you are quoted!! Sorry to repeatedly and effectively burst you bubble, but it wasn't cowardly, I just didn't notice I hit the wrong reply until I was finished
You are comically bent out of shape over this. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so bad that I called someone by what they identified as.
Whether you like it or not, this individual identified with their Chaldean heritage (although it is more a religious identifier than geographical now adays) and I decided to respect that. If you don't like that they call themselves Chaldeans, then by all means go educate them about your beliefs. Didn't mean to trigger (this appears to be the word to use on this site) you so hard, but this has been an entertaining introduction to the site.
 
ModerateRN said:
Look you are quoted!! Sorry to repeatedly and effectively burst you bubble, but it wasn't cowardly, I just didn't notice I hit the wrong reply until I was finished
You are comically bent out of shape over this. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings so bad that I called someone by what they identified as.
Whether you like it or not, this individual identified with their Chaldean heritage (although it is more a religious identifier than geographical now adays) and I decided to respect that. If you don't like that they call themselves Chaldeans, then by all means go educate them about your beliefs. Didn't mean to trigger (this appears to be the word to use on this site) you so hard, but this has been an entertaining introduction to the site.
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Suuuure it was buddy :roll:

You are comically flailing about.

Yep, considering that there isn't a "Chaldea" and hasn't been one for hundreds of years, you can go right on screaming in your head about illegal immigrants. And it won't change a damn thing.
 
americanwoman said:
Yes, my liberal immigration position is solely due to the fact that I want them to vote. Not that I care about my friends and family on a humane level, I am only interest in keeping them here to vote. You have figured it all out! :lol:
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If your friends and family are here illegally, they should be removed from the nation. Sorry, if you like to cherry pick the laws of the nation.
 
ModerateRN said:
I stand corrected. I am actually floored that American Citizens can be deported. Wondering how that could possibly happen when it is such a simple process to show citizenship. Or have a record of citizenship made available.
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Actually this is not new or recent, it has been going on for a while...Obama was actually knows among immigrant communities as Deport President. Same with Bush II and Clinton.

one good instance was after 9/11 where thousands of middle easterners rounded and sent to detention camps for days and weeks, and some citizens were deported by accident to Country of Origins where they escape from and needless to say, never heard from again.

Not difficult to imagine...how...you get caught in these wides sweeps, put in Jail...no due process, no lawyer, no one for you to plead your case, then before you know it, get packed into a bus or plane and rushed over the boarder dump and to fend for yourself


Diving Mullah
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Has this happened?
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I did a little research after I was informed in this thread; a few google searches later, and I dredged up a multitude of articles that explain it does indeed happen and although it mentions it is less than 1% of all those deported, that still means hundreds a year are wrongfully deported. It was very eye opening to me, and I definitely advise you to go take a look.
 
ModerateRN said:
I did a little research after I was informed in this thread; a few google searches later, and I dredged up a multitude of articles that explain it does indeed happen and although it mentions it is less than 1% of all those deported, that still means hundreds a year are wrongfully deported. It was very eye opening to me, and I definitely advise you to go take a look.
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I will, heads need to roll over this issue. Deportation is for illegal aliens.
 
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