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Trump vs Obama

Conaeolos said:
Although I agree Hillary was a centrist when she came on the scene with Bill in the 90s; whether, that was a fair assessment in 2017 not so clear.


My point:
Moron - smear
no-self control -smear
who tweets out insults and offends our allies is a problem - a possible argument but one based on a lot of assumptions
insecure - smear
needs to be stroked by his cabinet - smear (a president being positive couldn’t be marketing a brand?)
cannot handle even a modicum of dissenting opinion - smear
not acting as a president - circular opinion
behaving like a third world dictator - total ignorant of third world and a smear
A president who lies - a matter of opinion

How do you honestly expect to understand the governments actions if this much hate and vitriol is all you see?


Takes maybe a few mins to look up the rebuttal, which we know you haven’t, but if you want to live in an information bubble where this is “factual”…go right ahead. And just be in wonder of all the stupid people who could possibly like a man who makes fun of handicapped people. No smart and caring person could ever support this man. That’s not a good way to breed hate at all.

I’ll give you a hint on this one. The clip out of context looks damning. In context far from.

But you go ahead and claim conspiracy theory and go self congratulate yourself you don’t follow these rumour mills…that breed conspiracy theory. Just don't be suprised when you can't contextualize what is going on around you.
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Just more pretend right wing world
 
katzgar said:
Just more pretend right wing world
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Notice the post count. We've had a few new Trump supporters pop up in here over the past week or so, most of them spouting more or less the same thing.
 
calamity said:
Notice the post count. We've had a few new Trump supporters pop up in here over the past week or so, most of them spouting more or less the same thing.
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This is my point. Now the fact I am new makes me fake in your minds. You can't even read what I write at face value. Its a scary state of affairs.
 
Conaeolos said:
This is my point. Now the fact I am new makes me fake in your minds. You can't even read what I write at face value. Its a scary state of affairs.
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Your posts aren't face-value you have an agenda
 
calamity said:
Right, and calling him Foodstamp, Affirmative Action, Kenyan, and Muslim was just business as usual. They call white guys they disagree with that stuff all the time :roll:

Try again.
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So the hate against trump is racially motivated because a patient at my work called him a 'cracker'. The few do not represent all. I did not like Obama because I don't feel my hard earned money should pay for someone too lazy to work to sit on their ass and be useless.
Calling him names is what happens when you don't like the person in office. Trump is no different. Media attaches many names (most earned) because they don't like him.

Try again to keep the race card going to cover for a presidents flaws. Lucky Obama has more class to know not to play a faux race card when things don't go your way.
 
Conaeolos said:
This is my point. Now the fact I am new makes me fake in your minds. You can't even read what I write at face value. Its a scary state of affairs.
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If I see that a nube has been around for a 1000 posts or so, I'll reconsider. But, until then, it's hard to take new posters too serious because so many of them are short-lived.
 
ModerateRN said:
So the hate against trump is racially motivated because a patient at my work called him a 'cracker'. The few do not represent all. I did not like Obama because I don't feel my hard earned money should pay for someone too lazy to work to sit on their ass and be useless.
Calling him names is what happens when you don't like the person in office. Trump is no different. Media attaches many names (most earned) because they don't like him.

Try again to keep the race card going to cover for a presidents flaws. Lucky Obama has more class to know not to play a faux race card when things don't go your way.
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Ah, the "cracker" card. Yeah, that's the same as Foodstamp, Affirmative Action, Muslim, Kenyan and whatever else rolled off the tongues of the Right Wing racists attacking Obama for 8 years :roll:

Keep trying. You'll figure it out eventually.
 
katzgar said:
Your posts aren't face-value you have an agenda
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Like I had an agenda when I was defending Obama because we need to devleop a public medical health care option? I beleive we call that a political opinion.
 
ModerateRN said:
No it
There was undoubtedly people who were against him for racial reasons, but those individuals tend to be against Democrats regardless of race. I do not believe race was the predominant factor in republicans disgust of the man.
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It wasn't .
Just another squawk point form dopey pandering white liberals.

They never learn. When you call everybody a racist, then nobody is racist.
 
ModerateRN said:
So the hate against trump is racially motivated because a patient at my work called him a 'cracker'. The few do not represent all. I did not like Obama because I don't feel my hard earned money should pay for someone too lazy to work to sit on their ass and be useless.
Calling him names is what happens when you don't like the person in office. Trump is no different. Media attaches many names (most earned) because they don't like him.

Try again to keep the race card going to cover for a presidents flaws. Lucky Obama has more class to know not to play a faux race card when things don't go your way.
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trump jumping on the birther thing tells you exactly where the market was/is.
 
calamity said:
When the main RW talking point for well over 4 years was that Obama is not only the "Foodstamp, Affirmative Action President" but also exhibits "Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior," someone really needs to have their head up their ass not to see it as a racial thing. :roll:

Add to that the accusations that he was not born in the US and the emphasis on his middle name, and it becomes a slam dunk.
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Then I have my head up my ass. I see the Republicans for the most part disagreeing ideologically with Obama, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, LBJ going back to FDR on basically the same things. Accusing those of us who had a political, ideological difference with Obama as being racist really got my goat. It's not like we been disagreeing on the same things for the last 50 years.

But have it as you will. You have your mind made up, no changing it.
 
Perotista said:
Then I have my head up my ass. I see the Republicans for the most part disagreeing ideologically with Obama, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, LBJ going back to FDR on basically the same things. Accusing those of us who had a political, ideological difference with Obama as being racist really got my goat. It's not like we been disagreeing on the same things for the last 50 years.

But have it as you will. You have your mind made up, no changing it.
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Where did I write a damned thing about his political ideology? Are you so deep in denial that you failed to read or properly interpret the meaning behind the words I wrote pointing out that many on the Right, including mainstream RW talking heads, described him as the Foodstamp, Affirmative Action, Kenyan and Muslim president?

It's rather amazing to see that you can actually do that.
 
Perotista said:
Hmm, CCSE had a survey which Larry Sabato published in his Crystal Ball Report. Not all Trump voters based Obama. In fact some voted for Obama and then voted for Trump. According to CCSE, 11% of those who voted for Obama in 2012 voted for Trump in 2016. Placing Trump voters into categories isn't all that simple. According to the exit polls, half of all Trump voters were anti-Clinton voters, not that they liked or even wanted Trump. They just didn't want Clinton.

Then you had the Sanders supporters, some still angry at the Democrats for rigging the primaries in Clinton's favor. 22% of them voted for Trump. I'm sure Sanders supporters didn't bash Obama. 13% of Sanders supporters voted third party to avoid voting for either Trump or Clinton. There were many reasons for one to vote for Trump, not everyone one was an Obama basher.
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Let's be realistic though, one of the main reasons Trump became popular with GOP voters is because he was a birther. This all started in 2011, and eventually helped him win the presidency in 2016.
 
calamity said:
When the main RW talking point for well over 4 years was that Obama is not only the "Foodstamp, Affirmative Action President" but also exhibits "Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior," someone really needs to have their head up their ass not to see it as a racial thing. :roll:

Add to that the accusations that he was not born in the US and the emphasis on his middle name, and it becomes a slam dunk.
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Don't forget how the right claimed for 8 years that Obama and his wife hated white people, and that Obama condoned black on white/black on police violence.
 
Puigb said:
Don't forget how the right claimed for 8 years that Obama and his wife hated white people, and that Obama condoned black on white/black on police violence.
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Remember the Right's freak out over the fist bump? Idiots thought it was some black panther secret code.
 
Puigb said:
Let's be realistic though, one of the main reasons Trump became popular with GOP voters is because he was a birther. This all started in 2011, and eventually helped him win the presidency in 2016.
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With Trump though they are happy. We are back to an all white male cabinet with one token woman and a black man, both heading departments the Right hates. And, neither one is on it because they are the best person for the job but because they are hacks who suck up to Trump. The Right loves that house N stuff.

Sad.
 
MaggieD said:
Better at what, Kobie?
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Understanding economics, politics, the law, global dynamics...pretty much all the important stuff. Your guy was good at saying he loved Jesus though. So...there's 40 million votes right there.
 
calamity said:
Understanding economics, politics, the law, global dynamics...pretty much all the important stuff. Your guy was good at saying he loved Jesus though. So...there's 40 million votes right there.
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Bill Clinton is a worthless excuse for a human being.
 
MaggieD said:
Bill Clinton is a worthless excuse for a human being.
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I didn't like him either. But, at least I am honest enough to admit he was a better president than "W."
 
Puigb said:
Let's be realistic though, one of the main reasons Trump became popular with GOP voters is because he was a birther. This all started in 2011, and eventually helped him win the presidency in 2016.
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I don't know why he became popular. I thought he sucked from the beginning, but I'm not a Republican. I think it had more to do with the fact Trump was a fighter. He wouldn't take anything laying down. It was a time when a lot of Republicans were totally peeved that the Republican congress wasn't doing enough to stop Obama. They viewed the GOP congress as laying down, rolling over and playing dead to Obama. they wanted a fighter and got one in Trump. In 2011, Trump was a registered independent and didn't become a Republican until 2012. His seventh party switch. Here's what I been able to find out about Trump and his party switching.

For the record
Until 1987 Trump was a Democrat
From 1987-1999 he was a Republican
In 1999 Trump became an Independent
2000 to 2001 Trump was a member of the Reform Party
2001 to 2009 he was a Democrat again
2009 to 2011 he became a Republican
2011 to 2012 Trump was a registered Independent
2012 to present he became a Republican again.
 
calamity said:
Remember the Right's freak out over the fist bump? Idiots thought it was some black panther secret code.
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Heh, remember the gigantic deal the right made when Obama commented on the Cambridge police incident? That gave fire to the whole "Obama hates white people" talking point among the right.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know why he became popular. I thought he sucked from the beginning, but I'm not a Republican. I think it had more to do with the fact Trump was a fighter. He wouldn't take anything laying down. It was a time when a lot of Republicans were totally peeved that the Republican congress wasn't doing enough to stop Obama. They viewed the GOP congress as laying down, rolling over and playing dead to Obama. they wanted a fighter and got one in Trump. In 2011, Trump was a registered independent and didn't become a Republican until 2012. His seventh party switch. Here's what I been able to find out about Trump and his party switching.

For the record
Until 1987 Trump was a Democrat
From 1987-1999 he was a Republican
In 1999 Trump became an Independent
2000 to 2001 Trump was a member of the Reform Party
2001 to 2009 he was a Democrat again
2009 to 2011 he became a Republican
2011 to 2012 Trump was a registered Independent
2012 to present he became a Republican again.
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Trump started to gain popularity in 2011 when he became a birther. It isn't the only reason he became popular with GOP voters, but it is one of them.

And yes, Trump is no conservative in any way shape or form. Trump is a prime example of an opportunist. He says whatever he believes the audience he is pandering to wants to hear.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know why he became popular. I thought he sucked from the beginning, but I'm not a Republican. I think it had more to do with the fact Trump was a fighter. He wouldn't take anything laying down. It was a time when a lot of Republicans were totally peeved that the Republican congress wasn't doing enough to stop Obama. They viewed the GOP congress as laying down, rolling over and playing dead to Obama. they wanted a fighter and got one in Trump. In 2011, Trump was a registered independent and didn't become a Republican until 2012. His seventh party switch. Here's what I been able to find out about Trump and his party switching.

For the record
Until 1987 Trump was a Democrat
From 1987-1999 he was a Republican
In 1999 Trump became an Independent
2000 to 2001 Trump was a member of the Reform Party
2001 to 2009 he was a Democrat again
2009 to 2011 he became a Republican
2011 to 2012 Trump was a registered Independent
2012 to present he became a Republican again.
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Interesting find.
I myself have switched political affiliation as my life has evolved. high school I would say I was mostly liberal with some conservative views. when I reached college and as I was working through it I was more liberal. As I exited college and began my career I stopped declaring myself democrat and become independent/moderate. As my career is progressing I find Fiscal Conservative side becoming stronger and stronger. I still consider myself moderate, but as time passes I lean more to the right.

I wonder what the motivation behind his political affiliation switches were; which policies were popular at the time that caused him discord with his party.
 
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