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Talking with Comey, Trump focused on himself, not Russian hacks

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Talking with Comey, Trump focused on himself, not Russian hacks

By David Horsey
June 9, 2017

A deadly serious conclusion can be drawn from former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee: Donald Trump cares more about himself than about the security of the United States. The Russian assault on the American electoral system is real. “The reason this is such a big deal is we have this big, messy, wonderful country where we fight with each other all the time, but nobody tells us what to think, what to fight about, what to vote for except other Americans,” Comey said. “And that’s wonderful and often painful. But we’re talking about a foreign government, using technical intrusion and lots of other methods, that tried to shape the way we think, we vote, we act. That is a big deal. And people need to recognize it. It’s not about Republicans or Democrats. [The Russians are] coming after America, which I hope we all love equally. They want to undermine our credibility in the face of the world. They think that this great experiment of ours is a threat to them, and so they’re going to try to run it down and dirty it up as much as possible.”

Despite his rookie failings and mendacious ways, Trump could redeem himself in the eyes of many people if he would start taking the Russian meddling seriously. Instead, he has gone out of his way to make excuses for Vladmir Putin’s hackers and spies. He has asserted that no one really knows who hacked what, despite the universal conclusion of U.S. intelligence services that it was the Russians. He has repeatedly alleged that the concern about Russian activities is being manufactured by the Democrats to provide an excuse for Hillary Clinton’s defeat in November. Other than disingenuous pro forma statements in favor of getting the facts about Russian interference, Trump has done nothing but undermine efforts to uncover the extent of Russia’s attack on American democracy. Instead of caring about the country, Trump has been concerned only about himself. That is what came through in Comey’s testimony. The president is obsessed with his own reputation, not the nation’s security. He did not ask Comey to fill him in on Russian subversion, he only wanted to know if anyone was coming after him. Trump’s true crime may not be obstruction of justice, but dereliction of duty.
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According to the public testimony of James Comey, Trump has never shown any presidential interest in finding out what the Russians did, how they did it, and if they will continue to escalate their activities. Instead of righteous indignation, Trump has turned his back and ignored the Russian attack on our institutions. Instead of punitive consequences to Moscow as a lesson to not ever do this again, Trump is considering dropping the sanctions for nothing in return. He greets high Russian officials into the Oval Office with snide remarks about Mr. Comey being 'crazy' and a 'nut job', but Trump utters not a word to the visiting diplomats about Russia's attacks and unacceptable behavior towards the United States.

Trumps perfidy and disloyalty to this nation he swore to protect is obvious to anyone who takes a good hard look with America uppermost in mind.
 
Just more ridiculous bloviation.

He did not ask that the investigation into the supposed Russian influence stop.
 
It's pretty obvious to me that Trump believes everyone just uses Russian meddling claims to discredit his victory. The fact that his paranoia extends even to claims by our intelligence community is troubling. Worse than Trump believing this stuff is the fact that most Republicans seem to completely disregard what our intelligence community is saying as well. Then there are some Democratic politicians talking about the possibility of the election itself being hacked. I realize this is a partisan nation, but I would hope reality could at least be agreed on first. Why can't we start by acknowledging what intelligence is telling us and move from there?
 
Excon said:
Just more ridiculous bloviation.

He did not ask that the investigation into the supposed Russian influence stop.
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he fired comey because of the russia investigation thats obstruction.
 
katzgar said:
he fired comey because of the russia investigation thats obstruction.
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1. Because of? Wrong.
2. Obstruction? Wrong.


Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong

By Alan Dershowitz
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News

In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.

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Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong​
 
Excon said:
1. Because of? Wrong.
2. Obstruction? Wrong.


Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong

By Alan Dershowitz
Published June 08, 2017
Fox News

In his testimony former FBI director James Comey echoed a view that I alone have been expressing for several weeks, and that has been attacked by nearly every Democratic pundit.

Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.

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Dershowitz: Comey confirms that I'm right - and all the Democratic commentators are wrong​
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when nixon ordered the fbi to cancel its investigation that is what drove nixon from office and is exactly what the dumbass in chief did. Nixon resigns - Aug 08, 1974 - HISTORY.com
 
katzgar said:
A buddy did you forget this stuff is easy to Google
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You seem confused. You can not find a crime on Google that does not exist in real life.
You can certainly find false accusations but not an actual crime.
 
But as a former FBI counterintelligence agent, what I saw as the most explosive aspect of the testimony didn’t involve any legal violation of the U.S. code or questions about whether Comey had broken established Department of Justice protocols. Instead, it was the prima facie evidence that Comey presented that Trump appears unwilling to uphold his oath “to preserve, protect, and defend” the country — which puts the security of our nation and its democracy at stake. In the nine times Trump met with or called Comey, it was always to discuss how the investigation into Russia’s election interference was affecting him personally, rather than the security of the country. He apparently cared little about understanding either the magnitude of the Russian intelligence threat, or how the FBI might be able to prevent another attack in future elections. When Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) asked Comey whether Trump had ever appeared concerned about Russian interference or how to stop it in the future, Comey’s answer was blunt: “No.” After a moment of reflection, he added, without prompting, that he had “attended a fair number of meetings on that with President Obama.” This contrast alone underscores Trump’s disregard for his fundamental duty, which is to ensure the security of the nation, its government and its citizens from foreign enemies.

For any president to ignore the situation is shocking. My former colleagues at the FBI who are working on this case and have uncovered the full scale of Russia’s efforts must be incredulous at Trump’s cavalier attitude. To understand their perspective, consider this happening in the context we normally think of as a national security threat: Imagine that during the 2016 presidential election, a candidate publicly invited the Islamic State to bomb the Democratic Party headquarters. And then imagine that such a bombing in fact took place, resulting in the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. Now further imagine that the new president not only had no interest in learning more about who caused the attack or bringing them to justice, but in fact went out of his way to make nice with the Islamic State and offer them political and diplomatic concessions. Finally, imagine that there may be evidence that members of the president’s campaign or other American citizens were actively or passively involved in facilitating such an attack. The fact pattern of the Russia investigation so far is similar — and that’s an investigation Comey says Trump had no interest in following closely.
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I was an FBI agent. Trump’s lack of concern about Russian hacking shocks me.

Former FBI Special Agent Rangappa is spot-on.
 
Excon said:
You seem confused. You can not find a crime on Google that does not exist in real life.
You can certainly find false accusations but not an actual crime.
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your assumption that mueller wont find anything is premature.
 
katzgar said:
your assumption that mueller wont find anything is premature.
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iLOL
Where did I say Muller wont find anything?
How about this? Stick to what has actually been argued. Okay?

And if you would like to say Trump broke the law, by all means, take it to the legal forum, cite the actual law and what is required to prove that, and then specifically quote Trump and cite his actions that you think broke the law. If you attempt that maybe you will understand just how you have been wrong ... or not. :shrug:

As for this thread. I provided you what the preeminent Constitutional Lawyer/Scholar has said.
Simply linking to an article as you did does not refute that.



As for Mueller?
Mueller had a good relationship in the past with his employee Comey. That give an appearance of impropriety.
Trump should immediately demand that Mueller be replaced for that reason just so we could further watch the left's skulls become detached.
It would be hilarious.
 
Excon said:
iLOL
Where did I say Muller wont find anything?
How about this? Stick to what has actually been argued. Okay?

And if you would like to say Trump broke the law, by all means, take it to the legal forum, cite the actual law and what is required to prove that, and then specifically quote Trump and cite his actions that you think broke the law. If you attempt that maybe you will understand just how you have been wrong ... or not. :shrug:

As for this thread. I provided you what the preeminent Constitutional Lawyer/Scholar has said.
Simply linking to an article as you did does not refute that.



As for Mueller?
Mueller had a good relationship in the past with his employee Comey. That give an appearance of impropriety.
Trump should immediately demand that Mueller be replaced for that reason just so we could further watch the left's skulls become detached.
It would be hilarious.
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here is what I actually said "your assumption that mueller wont find anything is premature."
 
Trump is a self-centered, egomaniac. Why would his agenda of "self-interest" actually surprise anyone?
 
katzgar said:
here is what I actually said "your assumption that mueller wont find anything is premature."
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And? An intelligent person would have known that is what was spoke to, so?
Where did I assume he wouldn't?
Again this is about what was argued. "How about this? Stick to what has actually been argued. Okay?"

You simply do not have a valid argument so instead deflect with this nonsense.

So again.

If you would like to say Trump broke the law, by all means, take it to the legal forum, cite the actual law and what is required to prove that, and then specifically quote Trump and cite his actions that you think broke the law. If you attempt that maybe you will understand just how you have been wrong ... or not.

As for this thread. I provided you what the preeminent Constitutional Lawyer/Scholar has said.
Simply linking to an article as you did does not refute that.


As for Mueller?
Mueller had a good relationship in the past with his employee Comey. That give an appearance of impropriety.
Trump should immediately demand that Mueller be replaced for that reason just so we could further watch the left's skulls become detached.
It would be hilarious.​

And because it is apparent I need to explain things, the reason I included that part about Muller is so you understand that the President has such powers.
 
Excon said:
And? An intelligent person would have known that is what was spoke to, so?
Where did I assume he wouldn't?
Again this is about what was argued. "How about this? Stick to what has actually been argued. Okay?"

You simply do not have a valid argument so instead deflect with this nonsense.

So again.

If you would like to say Trump broke the law, by all means, take it to the legal forum, cite the actual law and what is required to prove that, and then specifically quote Trump and cite his actions that you think broke the law. If you attempt that maybe you will understand just how you have been wrong ... or not.

As for this thread. I provided you what the preeminent Constitutional Lawyer/Scholar has said.
Simply linking to an article as you did does not refute that.


As for Mueller?
Mueller had a good relationship in the past with his employee Comey. That give an appearance of impropriety.
Trump should immediately demand that Mueller be replaced for that reason just so we could further watch the left's skulls become detached.
It would be hilarious.​

And because it is apparent I need to explain things, the reason I included that part about Muller is so you understand that the President has such powers.
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there is nothing to discuss till mueller is done
 
katzgar said:
Excon said:
katzgar said:
Excon said:
katzgar said:
there is nothing to discuss till mueller is done
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Really?
Then why did you make this false statement?

katzgar said:
he fired comey because of the russia investigation thats obstruction.
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that statement is why mueller is appointed.
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iLOL

No it is not.
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sure it is, obstruction of justice is a crime.
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It has become apparent that even you do not know what you are arguing.

Obstruction was not why Mueller was appointed.
 
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