Will all of Trumps's "alternative Facts" hurt him now?

ocean515 said:

No such thing? Of course there is. It's called interpretation. Show a group of people something and it's likely you will get an equal number of interpretations of the same thing. Does it mean some are lying and others are telling to truth?

The "alternative facts" meme rose out of a poor choice of words Conway used when being attacked by a talking head regarding crowd sizes at the inauguration and it's become nothing but a meme by the left to avoid logic.

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Interpretation of the facts may differ Ocean, but there's only one set of facts. One either lives in reality, or ignorance and delusion.

Chomsky said:

Interpretation of the facts may differ Ocean, but there's only one set of facts. One either lives in reality, or ignorance and delusion.

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But as you admitted, there are many interpretations. Is each one a lie?

Does that mean when the left used their interpretation of crowd size, it was as much a lie as the information the Trump Administration used?

ocean515 said:

But as you admitted, there are many interpretations. Is each one a lie?

Does that mean when the left used their interpretation of crowd size, it was as much a lie as the information the Trump Administration used?

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Depends. In politics, often enough it is.

Chomsky said:

Depends. In politics, often enough it is.

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That's a pretty weak way to avoid answering the question Chomsky.

ocean515 said:

That's a pretty weak way to avoid answering the question Chomsky.

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It's an accurate reply, Ocean.

To determine a "Lie" is dependent upon knowledge and motive. You're attempting to present this as a (false) dichotomy.

Chomsky said:

It's an accurate answer, Ocean.

To determine a "Lie" is dependent upon knowledge and motive. You're attempting to present this as a (false) dichotomy.

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How so Chomsky?

You stated there are many interpretations. I asked if each one is a lie.

The issue was crowd size at the inauguration.

If the left's MSM partners claims are an interpretation, and the Trump Administration numbers are an interpretation, who decides which one is a lie?

The left's MSM partners interpreted one set of facts, and the Trump Administration interpreted one set of facts. That's what happened.

The left's interpretation was an alternative to the rights. The rights and alternative to the lefts.

Yet a meme was born from a poor choice of words, which considering how it's been promoted, is one of the greater lies the left commonly uses.

ocean515 said:

How so Chomsky?

You stated there are many interpretations. I asked if each one is a lie.

The issue was crowd size at the inauguration.

If the left's MSM partners claims are an interpretation, and the Trump Administration numbers are an interpretation, who decides which one is a lie?

The left's MSM partners interpreted one set of facts, and the Trump Administration interpreted one set of facts. That's what happened.

The left's interpretation was an alternative to the rights. The rights and alternative to the lefts.

Yet a meme was born from a poor choice of words, which considering how it's been promoted, is one of the greater lies the left commonly uses.

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And once again, "lie" is dependant upon knowledge and motive.

You're attempting to build an argument for "alternative facts here" by introducing interpretive effects, and it's not working.

Erroneous interpretation =/= factual reality.

Chomsky said:

And once again, "lie" is dependant upon knowledge and motive.

You're attempting to build an argument for "alternative facts here" by introducing interpretive effects, and it's not working.

Erroneous interpretation =/= factual reality.

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I guess we're both failing at our arguments.

So be it.