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Saudi's Take Over Texas Refinery

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Where's the outrage about state owned businesses and all the other anti-socialist claptrap we constantly hear from the Right Wing blabber mouths? What about the Muslim whining and all that other crap we heard from Trump about fortifying our national security?

Saudis take 100% control of America's largest oil refinery - May. 1, 2017

Saudi Aramco, the kingdom's state-owned oil behemoth, took 100% control of the sprawling Port Arthur refinery in Texas on Monday, completing a deal that was first announced last year.

Port Arthur is considered the crown jewel of the US refinery system....

In addition to Port Arthur, Aramco is acquiring full ownership of 24 distribution terminals. Aramco also gets the exclusive right to sell Shell-branded gasoline and diesel in Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, the eastern half of Texas and the majority of Florida.

Crickets
 
Where's the outrage about state owned businesses and all the other anti-socialist claptrap we constantly hear from the Right Wing blabber mouths? What about the Muslim whining and all that other crap we heard from Trump about fortifying our national security?

Saudis take 100% control of America's largest oil refinery - May. 1, 2017



Crickets
I have been telling people for a while that oil companies do not sell oil, but finished fuel products.
Within the next decade or so, it will be less expensive for a refinery to make their own feedstocks from
Wholesale electricity, water, and atmospheric CO2. If the Saudis still want to be in the energy business,
they need to own the capability to do so.
From the perspective of the individual employee at the Port Arthur refinery, they may not see much change,
maybe a different security badge!
 
I have been telling people for a while that oil companies do not sell oil, but finished fuel products.
Within the next decade or so, it will be less expensive for a refinery to make their own feedstocks from
Wholesale electricity, water, and atmospheric CO2. If the Saudis still want to be in the energy business,
they need to own the capability to do so.
From the perspective of the individual employee at the Port Arthur refinery, they may not see much change,
maybe a different security badge!

So, state-owned businesses and Muslims are not the boogiemen the Right paint them to be after all. Is that correct?
 
I have been telling people for a while that oil companies do not sell oil, but finished fuel products.
Within the next decade or so, it will be less expensive for a refinery to make their own feedstocks from
Wholesale electricity, water, and atmospheric CO2. If the Saudis still want to be in the energy business,
they need to own the capability to do so.
From the perspective of the individual employee at the Port Arthur refinery, they may not see much change,
maybe a different security badge!

I think you're right about the ordinary employee. Have just sent my BFF an e-mail asking her to ask her husband about this. They've been up in Montana for a couple of years because of some project, but when they haven't been in Venezuela or wherever, they're based in the "Golden Triangle" because of his engineering/refinery work. May take a couple of days to learn his take.
 
So, state-owned businesses and Muslims are not the boogiemen the Right paint them to be after all. Is that correct?
If the Saudis own a business, it is Family owned!, I would rather the profits stay in the US, but if the Saudis bough out Shell,
I.E. Royal Dutch Shell, then the profits were already leaving our shores.
From the economy perspective, we have a bunch of good paying jobs in SE Texas,
that happen to not be owned by a US company.
The economy is becoming more global, is this actually news to anyone?
 
Where's the outrage about state owned businesses and all the other anti-socialist claptrap we constantly hear from the Right Wing blabber mouths? What about the Muslim whining and all that other crap we heard from Trump about fortifying our national security?

Saudis take 100% control of America's largest oil refinery - May. 1, 2017



Crickets

Well, lets see. First, its not OUR state. And they arent purchasing it to redistribute wealth for social equality. So, its not socialism. Just the opposite, its capitalism at a large scale. The Saudis are nobles who use religion and their kingdom to profit themselves. So, second, religion doesnt have anything to do with it. The Saudis are not islamic fascists. They are capitalist fascists and allies against islamic fascism (for their own profit reasons).

You do have a point about national security though. Having such assets in foreign hands could be a problem in the long run, since the Saudis are friends of convenience, not because they agree with our principles of freedom.
 
Well, lets see. First, its not OUR state. And they arent purchasing it to redistribute wealth for social equality. So, its not socialism. Just the opposite, its capitalism at a large scale. The Saudis are nobles who use religion and their kingdom to profit themselves. So, second, religion doesnt have anything to do with it. The Saudis are not islamic fascists. They are capitalist fascists and allies against islamic fascism (for their own profit reasons).

You do have a point about national security though. Having such assets in foreign hands could be a problem in the long run, since the Saudis are friends of convenience, not because they agree with our principles of freedom.

The Saudis created Wahhabism, the most fundamental Sunni sect out there and leading force behind ISIS's drive for a caliphate. An effort, it has been shown, which is funded by Saudi oil money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#History


If anything, the Saudis are the source of our terrorism problem.
 
The Saudis created Wahhabism, the most fundamental Sunni sect out there and leading force behind ISIS's drive for a caliphate. An effort, it has been shown, which is funded by Saudi oil money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#History


If anything, the Saudis are the source of our terrorism problem.

And the solution, so long as it profits them. Thats my point. Opposition to this refinery purchase would not be on account of their religion.
 
If the Saudis own a business, it is Family owned!, I would rather the profits stay in the US, but if the Saudis bough out Shell,
I.E. Royal Dutch Shell, then the profits were already leaving our shores.
From the economy perspective, we have a bunch of good paying jobs in SE Texas,
that happen to not be owned by a US company.
The economy is becoming more global, is this actually news to anyone?


The Saudi's already had a 50% interest in Port Arthur. They simply bought out Shell's 50%. Port Arthur is now the single largest refinery in North America. Port Arthur refines oil into mostly gasoline and diesel to supply mostly Shell service stations, which number about 5,200 across the US. I don't know of any significant exports, but maybe somebody can enlighten me.
 
And the solution, so long as it profits them. Thats my point. Opposition to this refinery purchase would not be on account of their religion.

Lets hope business interests trump religious fanaticism.
 
The Twin Towers suggest that it doesn't
Children there are taught in school from the beginning the killing non-Muslims is righteous. It's written into the curriculum. No big deal though, they're just the business minded type.
 
The Saudi's already had a 50% interest in Port Arthur. They simply bought out Shell's 50%. Port Arthur is now the single largest refinery in North America. Port Arthur refines oil into mostly gasoline and diesel to supply mostly Shell service stations, which number about 5,200 across the US. I don't know of any significant exports, but maybe somebody can enlighten me.
From what I understand products from oil extracted in the United States is not allowed to be exported.
That is much of what keystone was about, the fuel products could be sold anywhere.
 
The Saudis created Wahhabism, the most fundamental Sunni sect out there and leading force behind ISIS's drive for a caliphate. An effort, it has been shown, which is funded by Saudi oil money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism#History


If anything, the Saudis are the source of our terrorism problem.


it just warms my heart to know that my petro $$$$ are going to finance one of the finest terrorist organizations of modern times; thank you US Government ..........

 
Children there are taught in school from the beginning the killing non-Muslims is righteous. It's written into the curriculum. No big deal though, they're just the business minded type.


American history books have supported the idea that killing non whites is acceptable practice .........
 
If the Saudis own a business, it is Family owned!, I would rather the profits stay in the US, but if the Saudis bough out Shell,
I.E. Royal Dutch Shell, then the profits were already leaving our shores.
From the economy perspective, we have a bunch of good paying jobs in SE Texas,
that happen to not be owned by a US company.
The economy is becoming more global, is this actually news to anyone?

Here is the response, and in my reply to this engineer just now, I pointed out that the hyper-partisan concerns here at DP have been both predictable and tedious, LOL. I'll let you know how he responds to that:

Short answer is it's a good thing for the people who work there (like Kelly) and the region. The Saudis intend to invest a lot of money in that plant to keep it world-class. Anytime a company invests that kind of money in a plant, it means they intend to keep it for a long time, which provides a good foundation for the local economy--incremental jobs, and not only just for the people who work directly for the company. All the city, school, county taxing entities (if they don't give it all away in incentives), contractors, subcontractors, material suppliers, service providers, restaurants, grocery stores, etc. will see the trickle-down effect of that much money.

A lot of it (most of it) will be spent with companies outside the local area and region, but even 20% (if that's what winds up being spent locally) is still a lot of money that turns over several times in the local economy. The reason most of the money will get spent elsewhere is that the major material and equipment suppliers are located out of state and/or out of country. Major engineering firms are located out of the region--a lot in Houston, though. Large regional/national/international construction companies will probably be brought in to do the work and will bring travelers to supplement the local/regional craft labor. Most of that money will be sent to whereever the company is headquartered. But while the people that work for these companies are in the area, some of that money will get spent locally too.

It's a good thing. They could be spending it in another part of world...


And I would add that parts of the "Golden Triangle" have never recovered from Hurricane Rita, which instantly followed Katrina.
 
Here is the response, and in my reply to this engineer just now, I pointed out that the hyper-partisan concerns here at DP have been both predictable and tedious, LOL. I'll let you know how he responds to that:

Short answer is it's a good thing for the people who work there (like Kelly) and the region. The Saudis intend to invest a lot of money in that plant to keep it world-class. Anytime a company invests that kind of money in a plant, it means they intend to keep it for a long time, which provides a good foundation for the local economy--incremental jobs, and not only just for the people who work directly for the company. All the city, school, county taxing entities (if they don't give it all away in incentives), contractors, subcontractors, material suppliers, service providers, restaurants, grocery stores, etc. will see the trickle-down effect of that much money.

A lot of it (most of it) will be spent with companies outside the local area and region, but even 20% (if that's what winds up being spent locally) is still a lot of money that turns over several times in the local economy. The reason most of the money will get spent elsewhere is that the major material and equipment suppliers are located out of state and/or out of country. Major engineering firms are located out of the region--a lot in Houston, though. Large regional/national/international construction companies will probably be brought in to do the work and will bring travelers to supplement the local/regional craft labor. Most of that money will be sent to whereever the company is headquartered. But while the people that work for these companies are in the area, some of that money will get spent locally too.

It's a good thing. They could be spending it in another part of world...


And I would add that parts of the "Golden Triangle" have never recovered from Hurricane Rita, which instantly followed Katrina.
Thanks for the update!
 
From what I understand products from oil extracted in the United States is not allowed to be exported.
That is much of what keystone was about, the fuel products could be sold anywhere.


From what I understand, we export refined products:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_exp_dc_NUS-Z00_mbblpd_m.htm

As to Keystone, it was too big a project to so easily be manipulated by the Saudi's. We would be building something for the Saudi's to manipulate for their own profit. They could move the market in every dimension, at will, to bend "Keystone" wherever they wanted it to go.
 
From what I understand, we export refined products:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_exp_dc_NUS-Z00_mbblpd_m.htm

As to Keystone, it was too big a project to so easily be manipulated by the Saudi's. We would be building something for the Saudi's to manipulate for their own profit. They could move the market in every dimension, at will, to bend "Keystone" wherever they wanted it to go.
I think you are correct, I must have been thinking of crud exports.
As to keystone, from what I have heard the tar sands oil is difficult to process, but is within the capabilities
of the Gulf coast refineries.
 
I think you are correct, I must have been thinking of crud exports.
As to keystone, from what I have heard the tar sands oil is difficult to process, but is within the capabilities
of the Gulf coast refineries.


We all know they can do it. Capabilities within profit over cost is the way it is to do with "capabilities".
 
So what are you looking for....a collective "**** YOU OBAMA!!!" for negotiating this deal?
 
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