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8 Minutes

RetiredUSN said:
8 minutes isn't bad at all considering London's traffic, and the amount of people on the streets at the time for the foot cops to sort through. Haven't been there in 22 years so I imagine it's quite a lot more these days.

The OP, although snarky, was using a pro-gun analogy in a round about way. The cops can be there in minutes.....when seconds count.

Kudo's to the brave people who fended the bad guys off, I'm sure they saved at least a few lives.
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They just had the concert bombing and were on the highest highest alert....the Terrorist know they have 8 mins or more before anyone will show up with a gun, So yes 8 mins is a very very long time for a free reign killing spree
 
volsrock said:
They just had the concert bombing and were on the highest highest alert....the Terrorist know they have 8 mins or more before anyone will show up with a gun, So yes 8 mins is a very very long time for a free reign killing spree
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Terror is not about victim body counts - it is about making, otherwise apathetic, folks feel that they are unsafe due to your "cause". A suicidal Jihadi moron has already decided that they will not survive their attack - to them losing their life (on Earth) is part of winning the battle (for eternal bliss).
 
volsrock said:
They just had the concert bombing and were on the highest highest alert....the Terrorist know they have 8 mins or more before anyone will show up with a gun, So yes 8 mins is a very very long time for a free reign killing spree
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The concert bombing was in Manchester, 150 miles away, days before. The alert level had been reduced back to severe again, where it's been for months.
Terrorists never know if there's an armed response vehicle around the corner, especially in London. Thank you for your concern, but it's not needed.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Terror is not about victim body counts - it is about making, otherwise apathetic, folks feel that they are unsafe due to your "cause". A suicidal Jihadi moron has already decided that they will not survive their attack - to them losing their life (on Earth) is part of winning the battle (for eternal bliss).
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They wore fake bomb vests to ensure that they were taken out. More arrests today, as the police work through their family and social networks.
 
volsrock said:
They just had the concert bombing and were on the highest highest alert....the Terrorist know they have 8 mins or more before anyone will show up with a gun, So yes 8 mins is a very very long time for a free reign killing spree
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It wasn’t 8 minutes to show up, it was 8 minutes from the moment they were called to the moment the last active terrorist was stopped. Regardless of anything else, that was an quick and effective operation for which the officers involved should be congratulated. I think that can and should be recognised as a stand-alone point.

The wider spin you seem to be putting on this, that the general lack of gun ownership in the UK puts us at greater risk, it flawed on a number of counts. Since we simply don’t have the same kind of legitimate gun culture as the US, even in guns were legally available, most British people wouldn’t own them and certainly not be carrying them on a night out (if they did, we’d see many more drunken shootings that terrorist attacks). There is also no guarantee that had random civilians in the area had been armed, they would have stopped the attack any quicker that the police and that they couldn’t have caused additional harm and confusion. Finally, if guns were freely available in the UK, the chances are the terrorists would have had them, massively changing the nature of their attacks and almost certainly increasing the deaths and injuries they could cause, as has been seen from attacks elsewhere involving individuals with access to firearms (not least, of course, in the US).
 
Manc Skipper said:
They wore fake bomb vests to ensure that they were taken out. More arrests today, as the police work through their family and social networks.
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This is an interesting thing to watch - if it is OK to arrest (detain based on past association with?) "sympathizers" and "supporters" then maybe this can be used to go after other "terror" groups like street gangs.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
This is an interesting thing to watch - if it is OK to arrest (detain based on past association with?) "sympathizers" and "supporters" then maybe this can be used to go after other "terror" groups like street gangs.
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They are formally arrested to be questioned under caution. Everything is recorded, with lawyers and all. Eight of those arrested in Manchester have already been released without charge.

To return to the eight minute obsession by others, the eight minutes refers to the armed police. Four "ordinary" police heroes had already encountered them, and been wounded, while protecting the public.
 
Manc Skipper said:
They are formally arrested to be questioned under caution. Everything is recorded, with lawyers and all. Eight of those arrested in Manchester have already been released without charge.

To return to the eight minute obsession by others, the eight minutes refers to the armed police. Four "ordinary" police heroes had already encountered them, and been wounded, while protecting the public.
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That (bolded above) sounds like a busywork display being put on by the government to assure the folks that they are "taking action". How, exactly, do you arrest someone without charge?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) sounds like a busywork display being put on by the government to assure the folks that they are "taking action". How, exactly, do you arrest someone without charge?
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It’s not unusual here. Arrest is used somewhat differently in the UK compared to places like the US, just as part of the formal process of investigation, so it’s not at all uncommon for people who are arrested to be released shortly afterwards without charge.

I can understand the police being quite liberal with their use of arrest in cases like this (maybe a little too much, though it’s a difficult balance) given the risk of missing someone who is actually guilty and them getting away. I very much doubt there was any direct government intervention in this, especially since the same kind of thing has happened following similar incidents in the past and the fact we have something of a “skeleton government” at the moment due to the pending election.
 
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