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Islam is the worlds biggest CULT, prove me wrong!

coldjoint said:
Maybe so. Your high opinion of Trump supporters gave me that impression.
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Projection, perhaps. You believe liberals are your enemy, so you assume they feel that way about you.
 
Deuce said:
Projection, perhaps. You believe liberals are your enemy, so you assume they feel that way about you.
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See that? When did I say that? Anything else?
 
Deuce said:
Old Testament permits a rapist to take his victim as a wife if he impregnates her.
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That's Judaism. The Old Testament. And the Koran is in some people's view, an Arab version of the Old Testament.

The philosophical question as to when if at all lying is permissible for a Christian has been asked and addressed already, at least in Catholicism I know it has. I'm not sure if its has been fully worked out philosophically but to my understanding it has been worked out to the extent it is deemed permissible to lie to save the life of innocents from some predators.

The Catholic Church itself lied when it gave Jews false baptismal records to help them escape Nazis, also when the Pope ordered all convents and churches in Rome help hide the local Jews when the Nazis invaded Rome. So, Jews were dressed as nuns and so on, I believe, if memory serves me correct.
 
volsrock said:
The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.

The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques

Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers

Venerate a human leader or leaders

Recruiting work is performed by all of the members

People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.

Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.

Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.

Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.

The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."

Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.

Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.

Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.

Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.

People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.

Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.

The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.






The criticism of Muhammad and Islam was totally prohibited and if anyone dared to question him or his decisions, Omar swiftly unshielded his sword and threatened to slash the throat of the intrepid questioner forcing him to apologize. The message was sent in a very clear tone that no one must question Muhammad and his authority. 1400 years later, the message remains the same. If you question Islam you will be killed.



Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.




Based on the above, Islam is a cult. It is the biggest and the most successful cult. It practically reunites every feature of cult. Other cults may not be cultic in some of the above points. But Islam is cultic in every way and it would be a gross mistake to number it among religions just because 1.2 billion benighted people call themselves Muslims.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50218.htm
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You basically described Christianity... is that a cult also?
 
PeteEU said:
You basically described Christianity... is that a cult also?
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You basically just said you know nothing about Christianity. That might devalue your opinions.
 
volsrock said:
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers
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Christianity doesn't. Christianity doesn't allow a man to have more than one wife either.

Christianity vs Islam is akin to Democrats vs Republicans or liberals vs conservatives. There are philosophical points of separation and points of agreement.
 
Watching religious people try to discredit *the other* religion using reason, is amusing.
 
Deuce said:
Projection, perhaps. You believe liberals are your enemy, so you assume they feel that way about you.
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When someone takes away hard earned resources from one group of people without permission and give those resources to a different group of people including themselves...They are an enemy.

Bandits.
Robbers.

What have you.
 
coldjoint said:
You basically just said you know nothing about Christianity. That might devalue your opinions.
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Wait what? LOL .. lets look a few of them.

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
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You mean like members of Christianity that believe in pedophilea, multiple wives, not taking others blood, that Jesus road around on Dinos and so much more?

Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
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You mean like saying you will burn in hell if you dont do what I.. err the priest.. err Jesus says?

Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
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Come on... that is a core belief of Christianity lol.
 
Mach said:
Watching religious people try to discredit *the other* religion using reason, is amusing.
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Watching people who have not studied religion try to educate others about it is more sad than amusing.

I guess its like anything else.
 
Mach said:
Watching religious people try to discredit *the other* religion using reason, is amusing.
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Major religions use reasoning skills because they have philosophical traditions. Philosophy itself uses logic, and logic is basically reasoning what follows from what.

Logic is closely related to mathematics. Neither use emotions or emotional appeals to arrive at conclusions. So, science itself draws upon both logic and math to arrive at conclusions. And if you look at the science of biology and how it reasons out the purpose or functions of the sexual organs one will notice the science of biology closely resembles Catholic reasoning on the primary function of the sexual organs. Whereas, most secular people in terms of your typical citizen make emotional appeals to arrive at conclusions, or appeals to pleasure solely, pertaining to the sexual organs of humans.
 
akyron said:
Watching people who have not studied religion try to educate others about it is more sad than amusing.

I guess its like anything else.
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What conclusions have you reached in your studies? I guess that question is a little too precise, better question is, what have your studies garnered you in the way of enlightenment?
 
akyron said:
Watching people who have not studied religion try to educate others about it is more sad than amusing..
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Which people in this thread have not "studied" religion akyron?

Maybe god told you via a miracle.
 
FastPace said:
Major religions use reasoning skills because they have philosophical traditions. Philosophy itself uses logic, and logic is basically reasoning what follows from what.

Logic is closely related to mathematics. Neither use emotions or emotional appeals to arrive at conclusions. So, science itself draws upon both logic and math to arrive at conclusions. And if you look at the science of biology and how it reasons out the purpose or functions of the sexual organs one will notice the science of biology closely resembles Catholic reasoning on the primary function of the sexual organs. Whereas, most secular people in terms of your typical citizen make emotional appeals to arrive at conclusions, or appeals to pleasure solely, pertaining to the sexual organs of humans.
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Logic & religion have nothing to do with each other.....
 
FastPace said:
if you look at the science of biology and how it reasons out the purpose or functions of the sexual organs one will notice the science of biology closely resembles Catholic reasoning on the primary function of the sexual organs.
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Another good, humorous example of my point. Thank you.
 
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“O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you.” (Holy Quran: 2, 208
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No one should be forced to believe in Islam

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)
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“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)
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“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)
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“God does not love corruption”. (Surat al-Baqara, 205)

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Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
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Simply did a Google search to disprove your bias.

Fyi, I enjoyed my Catholic mass this morning. As I was taught, love no hate. Only one will judge.





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Mach said:
Which people in this thread have not "studied" religion akyron?

Maybe god told you via a miracle.
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I was referring to someone who was discussing a religion with me earlier that admitted they had not studied the religion in question yet were putting forth some blatantly unfactual assertions. Sorry to have not clarified. I wont name a name publicly as to not embarrass them.

I suggested they take the time to at least read the associated sacred texts of choice. They are long but not many in number.
 
Rexedgar said:
Logic & religion have nothing to do with each other.....
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As I stated, major religions have philosophical traditions, and philosophy uses logic.

I'm no philosopher. I have taken a few philosophy courses though. Such as the philosophy of biology, the philosophy of science, a philosophy course on liberty (freedom), and symbolic logic (two valued symbolic logic).

So, I do have some concept of the use of logic and reasoning in philosophy. My major was in the science of biology though.

Logic, as I was taught by my Australian professor (teaching at an American university) is not necessarily about whether say... fire breathing dragons exist but rather that one properly reason what follows from what if they say "the world is such X way..."

What really have nothing to do with each other are politics and logic. That's why you end up with fetal homicide laws in the United States while simultaneously having Federally protected abortion (fetal homicide) laws in the United States. It's what is in two-valued logic called a contradiction and a contradiction is always false in two-valued logic. A contradiction is the opposite of a tautology.

It's also why you have liberals that arbitrarily are for monogamous gay marriage (why is the monogamy important? Got that from Islam, Christians, or African pagans with 100 wives?) and oppose a a gay man having two husbands. Because, most secular people are emotive, make conclusions with emotions, are incoherent in their thinking, and don't use logic.
 
Mach said:
Another good, humorous example of my point. Thank you.
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That's not a logical rebuttal but an emotional reply. So, actually, you have made my point.
 
FastPace said:
That's Judaism. The Old Testament. And the Koran is in some people's view, an Arab version of the Old Testament.
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So should we be condemning Judaism as a cult, then?
 
Koke said:
I'll preface this by saying I'm atheist.

If you can't see the difference between religions your just some fedora-tipping biased neckbeard atheist who can't have honest arguments when it comes to religion. In Christianity's wake, there has been a lot of death to be sure (although it was many years ago). However, the moral structure that Christianity was based on is largely how the free western world operates today. As of recent years it is fundamentally different to Islam because Christianity is spread through words whereas Islam is spread by the sword.

It's is also important to mention that the Middle East is almost homogeneously Islam in religious terms. It wasn't always that way. The way that Islam has manifested in the political sense is an evil, imperialistic, and conquering ideology.
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There are a lot of Christians who would disagree that the free world is based on Christianity. For years, Christians railed AGAINST things like democracy and for repressive dictators. Franco, for example.
 
FastPace said:
As I stated, major religions have philosophical traditions, and philosophy uses logic.

I'm no philosopher. I have taken a few philosophy courses though. Such as the philosophy of biology, the philosophy of science, a philosophy course on liberty (freedom), and symbolic logic (two valued symbolic logic).

So, I do have some concept of the use of logic and reasoning in philosophy. My major was in the science of biology though.

Logic, as I was taught by my Australian professor (teaching at an American university) is not necessarily about whether say... fire breathing dragons exist but rather that one properly reason what follows from what if they say "the world is such X way..."

What really have nothing to do with each other are politics and logic. That's why you end up with fetal homicide laws in the United States while simultaneously having Federally protected abortion (fetal homicide) laws in the United States. It's what is in two-valued logic called a contradiction and a contradiction is always false in two-valued logic. A contradiction is the opposite of a tautology.

It's also why you have liberals that arbitrarily are for monogamous gay marriage (why is the monogamy important? Got that from Islam, Christians, or African pagans with 100 wives?) and oppose a a gay man having two husbands. Because, most secular people are emotive, make conclusions with emotions, are incoherent in their thinking, and don't use logic.
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Your education not withstanding, logic I can touch, hold and examine, religion expects me to believe in something that cannot be confirmed or verified using logic.
 
Deuce said:
So should we be condemning Judaism as a cult, then?
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If a person is not using the word with a negative connotation then I have no problem with it. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism would be cults. The 5 major cults of the world.

But given in modern times the term cult has a negative connotation then, no, I wouldn't condemn Judaism as a cult. I would call it 1 of the 5 Major Religions of the World.
 
Deuce said:
Most of your own bullet points are not accurately describing a majority of Muslims... so I think you proved yourself wrong
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You mean like the Majorities of Moslems polled by pew who believe death is appropriate punishment for apostasy?
 
Deuce said:
Old Testament permits a rapist to take his victim as a wife if he impregnates her.
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No it doesn't.

This is fake scripture, there is nowhere in the Bible where a Victim is commanded to marry her rapist, in fact rape is punishable by death in the Old Testament
 
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