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Trump won because Democrats didn't vote for Hillary.

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Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. In each case, Obama's vote total in 2012 was sufficient to overcome Trump's in 2016, by a wide margin in MI and WI. And only in (blue) PA did Trump gain votes significantly over Romney's total.

The numbers are the numbers. We have President Trump entirely because the Democrats ran Hillary, and their own voters didn't take to her in crucial states. So, rage about "deplorables" and "Trumpbots" all you want; the fact remains, if Democrats had shown up to pull those levers like they did before, Trump wouldn't be in the White House.

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Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. In each case, Obama's vote total in 2012 was sufficient to overcome Trump's in 2016, by a wide margin in MI and WI. And only in (blue) PA did Trump gain votes significantly over Romney's total.

The numbers are the numbers. We have President Trump entirely because the Democrats ran Hillary, and their own voters didn't take to her in crucial states. So, rage about "deplorables" and "Trumpbots" all you want; the fact remains, if Democrats had turned out, Trump wouldn't in the White House.

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It's a bit more complicated than that yes Trump carried the Electoral College but Clinton whooped Trump's ass in the general vote
 
Harshaw said:
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. In each case, Obama's vote total in 2012 was sufficient to overcome Trump's in 2016, by a wide margin in MI and WI. And only in (blue) PA did Trump gain votes significantly over Romney's total.

The numbers are the numbers. We have President Trump entirely because the Democrats ran Hillary, and their own voters didn't take to her in crucial states. So, rage about "deplorables" and "Trumpbots" all you want; the fact remains, if Democrats had shown up to pull those levers like they did before, Trump wouldn't be in the White House.

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Interesting....but from the numbers it looks like in 2 of the 3 examples above, Hilary's numbers would have beaten Romney as well....so I'm not entirely sure that you can make the claim you are making....but its food for thought at the least.
 
katzgar said:
It's a bit more complicated than that yes Trump carried the Electoral College but Clinton whooped Trump's ass in the general vote
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Completely and utterly irrelevant to anything I said.
 
trump won because of voter suppression laws in a dozen swing states
 
disneydude said:
Interesting....but from the numbers it looks like in 2 of the 3 examples above, Hilary's numbers would have beaten Romney as well....so I'm not entirely sure that you can make the claim you are making....but its food for thought at the least.
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Because Hillary's totals beat Romney's totals, I can't make the claim that if Hillary had carried Obama's voters, she'd have beaten Trump? That . . . does not follow.
 
NIMBY said:
trump won because of voter suppression laws in a dozen swing states
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No. Trump won because Hillary didn't successfully bring out Obama's voters in three blue states, your conspiracy theories entirely notwithstanding.
 
Harshaw said:
No. Trump won because Hillary didn't successfully bring out Obama's voters in three blue states, your conspiracy theories entirely notwithstanding.
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restrictive photo ID laws in those 3 states, just for starters--all proven in court cases
 
Harshaw said:
Because Hillary's totals beat Romney's totals, I can't make the claim that if Hillary had carried Obama's voters, she'd have beaten Trump? That . . . does not follow.
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Your claim is that the only reason Hilary lost is because Democrats didn't vote for her. I don't think that you can make that argument from the meme you posted....because in 2 of the 3 situations, Hilary would have beaten Romney as did Obama. What this says to me is not so much that Democrats didn't come out to vote for Hilary but that more Republicans/Independents voted for Trump than did Romney. As much as I hate to say it...I think Trump won those states not because Democrats didn't like Hilary but because more people liked him than they did Romney.

In other words.....it wasn't Democrats not voting for Hilary....it was likely independents/moderates who voted for Obama that voted for Trump over Hilary. That is probably more accurate.
 
katzgar said:
It's a bit more complicated than that yes Trump carried the Electoral College but Clinton whooped Trump's ass in the general vote
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Not again! let's go to California where Clinton got all the votes she needs for a plurality:
Clinton 8,753,798
Trump 4,483,810

So Clinton won the plurality one state California by 4,270,000 votes
While Trump won the plurality in the other 49 states by over 1,500,000 votes

Consider California now has 40,000,000 in 1968 19,000,000 it's population has double
62% minorities. California in the election of 1980 before the results of the Immigration
Act of 1965 began to bare fruit for the Democrats

Republican votes 4,524,858
Democratic votes 3,083,661

40% Latino
16% Asain
6% black

1970 demographics
Whites 15 million
Latinos 2.5 million
Asians 1 million
Blacks 2 million

2017 demographics
Whites 15 million
Latinos 16 million
Asians 8 million
Blacks 3 million

So the Democrats received 5 million more votes in in 2016 than they did in 1980
while the Republicans received the same amount no increase since 1980, I wonder
why. In bizarroville California where people with 10 fingers become voter
eligible could it be that of those 5 million more DEM votes over half may be from the
huge waves of illegals since 1980 who are sheltered in this odd sanctuary state.
 
slick said:
Not again! let's go to California where Clinton got all the votes she needs for a plurality:
Clinton 8,753,798
Trump 4,483,810

So Clinton won the plurality one state California by 4,270,000 votes
While Trump won the plurality in the other 49 states by over 1,500,000 votes

Consider California now has 40,000,000 in 1968 19,000,000 it's population has double
62% minorities. California in the election of 1980 before the results of the Immigration
Act of 1965 began to bare fruit for the Democrats

Republican votes 4,524,858
Democratic votes 3,083,661

40% Latino
16% Asain
6% black

1970 demographics
Whites 15 million
Latinos 2.5 million
Asians 1 million
Blacks 2 million

2017 demographics
Whites 15 million
Latinos 16 million
Asians 8 million
Blacks 3 million

So the Democrats received 5 million more votes in in 2016 than they did in 1980
while the Republicans received the same amount no increase since 1980, I wonder
why. In bizarroville California where people with 10 fingers become voter
eligible could it be that of those 5 million more DEM votes over half may be from the
huge waves of illegals since 1980 who are sheltered in this odd sanctuary state.
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The only problem is your neat little Theory there has nothing to do with actual reality
 
Trump Won because of a CIVIL WAR going on inside the Democratic Party, where the Centrists, Blue-Dogs, and Moderates are seceding from the Democratic Parties suicidal turn toward the Extreme-Left!

Trump's Victory has very little to do with the GOP, or Conservatives, and what surpise politics does exist in that reguard, is the Never-Trumper's refusing to vote, or voting for Hillary, out of contempt for Trump. There were not very many who did this. It was a very small impact on the outcome in 2016.

Trump's Victory is because of the Intra-Democrat Rebelion!

Trump won because of the White Working Class got sick of being sneered at as "Deplorables, Stupid, and Racists".

And with the behavior and decisions being made at the DNC since Nov 2016, it is NOT getting better for the Democratic Party, they are now facing HUGE defeats in 2018 and 2020!

If the Democrats were to completely abandoned Anti-White Racism, Political Correctness, and Identity Politics Tomorrow, they probably could not convince Working Whites they mean it, before the Democratic Party will go extinct!

The Democratic Party is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

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We have President Trump entirely because the Democrats ran Hillary, and their own voters didn't take to her in crucial states.
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It would be so much easier to peddle this absolution of the GOP for the disastrous Trump presidency if they weren't still carrying Trump's water.

Try again in a few months.
 
disneydude said:
Your claim is that the only reason Hilary lost is because Democrats didn't vote for her. I don't think that you can make that argument from the meme you posted....because in 2 of the 3 situations, Hilary would have beaten Romney as did Obama. What this says to me is not so much that Democrats didn't come out to vote for Hilary but that more Republicans/Independents voted for Trump than did Romney. As much as I hate to say it...I think Trump won those states not because Democrats didn't like Hilary but because more people liked him than they did Romney.

In other words.....it wasn't Democrats not voting for Hilary....it was likely independents/moderates who voted for Obama that voted for Trump over Hilary. That is probably more accurate.
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I'd say voters who vote Democrat are Democrat voters. Anything beyond that is speculation, especially given the meager gains over Romney Trump made. In the state where he gained the most, Hillary lost the fewest. So no, there's no evidence of an Obama-to-Trump transfer.
 
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katzgar said:
The only problem is your neat little Theory there has nothing to do with actual reality
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In my entire post the figures were 100% accurate & steeped in reality, all completely factual. Contradict the figures if you can.
 
Greenbeard said:
It would be so much easier to peddle this absolution of the GOP for the disastrous Trump presidency if they weren't still carrying Trump's water.

Try again in a few months.
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I don't have to "peddle" anything. The numbers are what they are.
 
katzgar said:
Only because you don't understand what's going on
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No, because your obsession with the "popular vote" is utterly and completely irrelevant to this.
 
katzgar said:
The only problem is your neat little Theory there has nothing to do with actual reality
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I can't see how anyone could be a huge fan of Mrs. Clinton but if you are we could agree on this.
Because Mrs. Clinton's plurality in the election was entirely do to one state California I would gladly approve
of making Mrs. Clinton the president of California. She deserves that! Maybe she could lead the Cal-exit
movement.
 
Harshaw said:
No. Trump won because Hillary didn't successfully bring out Obama's voters in three blue states, your conspiracy theories entirely notwithstanding.
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They didn't vote because of Russian meddling that Trumps people coordinated. The DNC hacks and the fake news on facebook made the difference. Hiiary lost all 3 blue States by a total of 65,000 votes. The meddling easily swayed at least that number.
 
slick said:
In my entire post the figures were 100% accurate & steeped in reality, all completely factual. Contradict the figures if you can.
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your figures were accurate just pointless
 
Harshaw said:
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. In each case, Obama's vote total in 2012 was sufficient to overcome Trump's in 2016, by a wide margin in MI and WI. And only in (blue) PA did Trump gain votes significantly over Romney's total.

The numbers are the numbers. We have President Trump entirely because the Democrats ran Hillary, and their own voters didn't take to her in crucial states. So, rage about "deplorables" and "Trumpbots" all you want; the fact remains, if Democrats had shown up to pull those levers like they did before, Trump wouldn't be in the White House.
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And how do you know that the reason many of the Dems who would not vote for Hillary were not turned off my the Russian wikileaks nonsense or the Comey announcement?
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