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Dems and Gop can't agree on crap and independents have no power.

Should states just become their own nations at this point?


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Surely the time has come for states to become their own nations. Surely the thought of the United States has failed. The left and the right can't agree on basic stuff anymore. And those who claim the middle has zero power to make any impact. Are you not tire of hearing the other side opinions they think your wrong you think they wrong both sides thinks the other side is lying let's just break up already.View attachment 67218339
No one is breaking up the nation. Good heavens.
 
Yes, it is out of the question. The states will not rise up against the feds.

PLEASE

OK
I wonder if these two America's were conservative?
Any history tells the truth since the GOP are such lairs and set in their ways. There is little chance to reach them hell I didn't say it he did. St. JOHN 8:44.
SMH!
 
A few individuals becoming murderers out of hatred and rage against the nation is not a rebellion.
 
A few individuals becoming murderers out of hatred and rage against the nation is not a rebellion.

Oh okay then based on that alone their is hope for us after all I suppose? Still not sure what the hell the GOP is for besides lying and greed. But hell here we are.
 
What this thread is really about is if the US Federal Government is seen to be a legitimate government in the eyes of the electors/citizenry. Certainly the "Establishment" still thinks it is because the Federal Government still serves establishment interests efficiently. Military appropriations and corporate welfare programmes are not usually effected by the grid-lock which paralyses the policies which either serve or damage the general public's interests. Thus there is a growing perception among a wider and wider swath of the body politic that the state/Federal Government is no longer a legitimate organ of power as it serves a narrowing set of interests and excludes more and more citizens from the benefits of the commonwealth.

This crisis of illegitimacy has led to the retreat of some Americans into the utopian libertarian movement, others into apathy and indifference and many to consider rebelling peacefully and breaking the one-party-two-names system which has dominated American politics for almost 150 years. This potential popular political rebellion is a grave threat to the establishment, if the newly elected cannot be coopted into serving establishment interests despite whatever campaign promises were made. If new parties and leaders cannot be coopted then the establishment will move forcefully to break such a popular political uprising and replace democracy with authoritarianism and ersatz democracy through the control of the political nomination process. Non-establishment parties and leaders will find themselves under attack by surveillance, legal attack, corporately controlled media attack, dirty tricks and in the most extreme cases outright arrest or assassination by establishment proxies.

This is about power and the maintenance of power by any and all means. This is the disease of realpolitik which cannot coexist with principle or idealism and will use any means necessary to destroy competing ideologies or beliefs to maintain establishment control. Power serves power and the powerful and no one else. The Balkanisation of America does not yet serve the establishment and until it does it will not be allowed and will be branded unthinkable and treasonous. For treason is not the betrayal of your state or your countrymen and women. Treason is the betrayal of power and the order imposed by those with power, which serves those with power, often to the detriment of those without power. Treason is challenging power.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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What this thread is really about is if the US Federal Government is seen to be a legitimate government in the eyes of the electors/citizenry. Certainly the "Establishment" still thinks it is because the Federal Government still serves establishment interests efficiently. Military appropriations and corporate welfare programmes are not usually effected by the grid-lock which paralyses the policies which either serve or damage the general public's interests. Thus there is a growing perception among a wider and wider swath of the body politic that the state/Federal Government is no longer a legitimate organ of power as it serves a narrowing set of interests and excludes more and more citizens from the benefits of the commonwealth.

This crisis of illegitimacy has led to the retreat of some Americans into the utopian libertarian movement, others into apathy and indifference and many to consider rebelling peacefully and breaking the one-party-two-names system which has dominated American politics for almost 150 years. This potential popular political rebellion is a grave threat to the establishment, if the newly elected cannot be coopted into serving establishment interests despite whatever campaign promises were made. If new parties and leaders cannot be coopted then the establishment will move forcefully to break such a popular political uprising and replace democracy with authoritarianism and ersatz democracy through the control of the political nomination process. Non-establishment parties and leaders will find themselves under attack by surveillance, legal attack, corporately controlled media attack, dirty tricks and in the most extreme cases outright arrest or assassination by establishment proxies.

This is about power and the maintenance of power by any and all means. This is the disease of realpolitik which cannot coexist with principle or idealism and will use any means necessary to destroy competing ideologies or beliefs to maintain establishment control. Power serves power and the powerful and no one else. The Balkanisation of America does not yet serve the establishment and until it does it will not be allowed and will be branded unthinkable and treasonous. For treason is not the betrayal of your state or your countrymen and women. Treason is the betrayal of power and the order imposed by those with power, which serves those with power, often to the detriment of those without power. Treason is challenging power.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Great speech but I just made the thread because the GOP lies and cheats so damn much.
 
Great speech but I just made the thread because the GOP lies and cheats so damn much.

Jaygodmedia:

So do the Democrats lie as routinely as the GOP, as both parties are just two facets of the same establishment. The DNC sabotaged Senator Sanders' run for Presidential nomination because they could and because he represented a threat to establishment interests. The GOP also attempted unsuccessfully to thwart Mr. Trump's nomination bid and now the establishment is attempting to either coopt or destroy Mr. Trump. So far it is doing a pretty good job of stripping him of advisors, allies and powerful backers unless he plays ball. The debacle of the Trump Presidency will either be a reality reported or a myth spun, but either way it will be used to further close doors to non-establishment candidates and to close the nomination process to candidates which threaten the status-quo power structures in the USA.

This is not a problem limited to the USA but is a global trend as populaces rebel against the elites who have taken advantage of them for too long. And the establishment is a transnational power elite in some respects, so it will combat populism and political rebellion at both the national and transnational level. There is nothing like an international crisis or a war to use as a tonic and pretext for suppressing dissent and popular resistance at home, so cooperative wars between colluding elites may be a tactic in the struggle to maintain power. Modern wars are no longer designed to be won but to maintain the conditions for the establishment to maintain power and to enrich itself by appropriating public monies from taxpayers. Presidents Wilson and Eisenhower both warned of this process but few listened or took the warnings seriously.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
No, we are all Americans and failure is not an option.

That's a damn fine sentiment and all, but I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't enamored with the idea of dividing up into individual states. Georgia's got a hell of a military representation, we could totally make Alabama our bitch. After that, SC or FL might be on the chopping block. Europe got to have a warring states period for the better part of a millennium, why can't we get a few decades to butcher each other like pigs over whose ass is in what seat?
...I think I have a problem.
 
That's a damn fine sentiment and all, but I'd be lying if I told you I wasn't enamored with the idea of dividing up into individual states. Georgia's got a hell of a military representation, we could totally make Alabama our bitch. After that, SC or FL might be on the chopping block. Europe got to have a warring states period for the better part of a millennium, why can't we get a few decades to butcher each other like pigs over whose ass is in what seat?
...I think I have a problem.

Most honest reply yet.
But I think there is hope once Trump base understand he can care less about them and cares more about just getting attention hell WTF am I talking about trump supporters need their very on state I wonder how would a state of great coal mining jobs with no health care will work out for them.
 
Most honest reply yet.
But I think there is hope once Trump base understand he can care less about them and cares more about just getting attention hell WTF am I talking about trump supporters need their very on state I wonder how would a state of great coal mining jobs with no health care will work out for them.


A note on the video you posted: I've often thought that the Axis would have won in WW2 if the south had won the Civil War. At best, the U.S. can't muster the manpower and will to beat the Axis, and at worst (a possibility that I don't put very much stock in, but a possibility nonetheless) the Confederacy somehow sides with the centralized, anti-democratic 3rd Reich and cultish, imperial Japan. I would hope that we'd be level-headed enough to see that assisting Germany and Japan would be a dreadful mistake, but people get real scared when their entire economic system is in danger - as the 2016 election has shown.
 
A note on the video you posted: I've often thought that the Axis would have won in WW2 if the south had won the Civil War. At best, the U.S. can't muster the manpower and will to beat the Axis, and at worst (a possibility that I don't put very much stock in, but a possibility nonetheless) the Confederacy somehow sides with the centralized, anti-democratic 3rd Reich and cultish, imperial Japan. I would hope that we'd be level-headed enough to see that assisting Germany and Japan would be a dreadful mistake, but people get real scared when their entire economic system is in danger - as the 2016 election has shown.

Great reply let's be glad we don't live in that reality.

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Let's work together GOP.
 
Enjoy this small amount of time where we can always respect when cops do their jobs right and that's to protect and serve. And become Heroes.
No politics no talking about race just Americans showing respect to other American people.
 
You have a President who hates the press tells lies on a level unseen in history. Leads his base with chants of lack her up. Incites violence. Thinks he's a dictator. Now surely the other side would more then likely disagree with me so why bother?


Nice Propaganda try, that was a joke in response to US intelligence announcing there was a 99% chance that at least 5 countries including Russia had already hacked Hillary's Illegal server. He is not telling them to hack, he is telling them if they have it show the Emails she illegally destroyed.

It there was any real collusion between Trump and Russia he would have never made a statement like this, bringing attention to it.
 
Nice Propaganda try, that was a joke in response to US intelligence announcing there was a 99% chance that at least 5 countries including Russia had already hacked Hillary's Illegal server. He is not telling them to hack, he is telling them if they have it show the Emails she illegally destroyed.

It there was any real collusion between Trump and Russia he would have never made a statement like this, bringing attention to it.

This is a historical horrible administration.
He is turning the President of the united States into a damn reality TV show aka a joke. Nothing is ever his fault. He can't get anything done. He lies every single day. He keeps holding dumb rally's giving nonsense speeches. Since he stole the election and seem to have gotten away with it for now. Learn how to govern for all Americans and not just his uninformed based.
 
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Because the america that I want to prosper is one that listens to its moral consciousness and rejects the tribalism that this man spouts.

American is Prospering. The last few months we have had the best economy in ten years, lowest gas prices in 12 years, highest consumer confidence in 16 years, and President Trump did it mostly by repealing Obama's executive orders and rejecting other leftist policies.
 
American is Prospering. The last few months we have had the best economy in ten years, lowest gas prices in 12 years, highest consumer confidence in 16 years, and President Trump did it mostly by repealing Obama's executive orders and rejecting other leftist policies.

You should change your political view to lean to far right nonsense. If you believe that he did all of that in 6 months by mostly executive order talk about your fake news get a clue.
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This is a historical horrible administration.
He is turning the President of the united States into a damn reality TV show aka a joke. Nothing is ever his fault. He can't get anything done. He lies every single day. He keeps holding dumb rally's giving nonsense speeches. Since he stole the election and seem to have gotten away with it for now. Learn how to govern for all Americans and not just his uninformed based.


Nothing done! A few months after President Trump repealed all of Obamas executive orders and rejected Leftist policies like Paris Climate Accord: America has the best economy in 10 years, lowest gas prices in 12 years, Highest Consumer Confidence in 16 years, Home sales so high that supply can’t keep up with demand.

And all Leftist can do is try to distract with crappie lies like “Russia Collusion.”

There is more evidence of Bigfoot than that Trump colluded with Russia and forensic evidence that the DNC servers were never even hacked.
 
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