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Trump has drunk the Kool-Aid.

DA60 said:
We are definitely done here.
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You keep promising that and you keep posting horribly stupid crap.

The negative claim holds in the absence of evidence for the positive claim. Negative claims do not provide evidence because one cannot prove a negative. Positive claims produce evidence.

This is basic logic. How can you not understand? Have you spent your life demanding proof of negatives? What frightful ignorance of logic and debate. Did you go to Truther University?
 
DA60 said:
Sorry pal, you made that claim before I gave any opinion at all on this. All I had said up until that point is 'Thoughts?'

So, I will ask again,

You typed: 'SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism.'

How do you know they are not a state sponsor of terrorism?

You stated it in a matter-of-fact manner. You must (I assume) have some evidence for you to state it in a matter-of-fact manner.

So...what is this evidence?
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Let's put it an iota differently: the House of Saud and it's government are officially fighting almost identically the same groups of terrorists that we are and do not say officially that they are backing terrorists aimed at attacking the USA.
 
DA60 said:
I am not hunting around for your data.

Either post a link or you have posted no evidence at all.

BTW - he said 'United States is the Middle East’s main enemy'...not of Iran directly. So that does not count.

And he is right...America has made a horrible mess of the Middle East. Everything she has done in the last 20 years has been disastrous.

Khamenei: US is main enemy, 'Zionist regime' a close second | The Times of Israel


And where are your links that state that Iran officially declared that they are the enemy of American civilization and her way of life in the last 5 years?
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If you are so little informed and interested as to require links on something so widely written about over so many decades, then I find it sad but understandable that you would post so odd an opinion so confidently.
 
joG said:
If you are so little informed and interested as to require links on something so widely written about over so many decades, then I find it sad but understandable that you would post so odd an opinion so confidently.
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Still waiting for those links I asked for.

Let me know when you have some please.

Until then, see ya.
 
ecofarm said:
SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
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then why are the Saudi Air Force dropping cluster bombs & barrel bombs in their enumerable wars?
 
joG said:
I think it is quite true that Iran supports and supplies shiite terrorists and enemy dictators. They are a self declared enemy of this country, our civilization and way of life. So it is quite sane to think of iran as our enemy.

What to do about it is another matter. The EU will soon be supporting Iran.
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The British, IKE, The CIA, they all declared war on Iran in 1953 via Operation AJAX, which initiated/supported the SAVAK, a terrorist organization.

why would any nation not return the favor?
 
DA60 said:
So - in your opinion - the Saudi Royal Family giving money directly and indirectly to ISIS/ISIL and al Qaida (who are Sunni - whereas Iran is Shiite) is not large, state-sponsored terrorism?

Gotcha.
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stop telling the truth; you are gonna make someone's head explode ...........
 
ecofarm said:
SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
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Members of the Saudi ruling class are known to have sponsored terrorists cells in western countries. I've forgotten when Iran last did that. Remind me.
 
I thought Trump just made the Kool-Aid and served it to others
 
ecofarm said:
SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
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That's the dumbest thing I've heard on this forum. SA is the Wahabi/Salafist/Sunni financial sugar daddy and the principal driving force of ISIS. The USA should be ashamed for supporting this festering blister of puss. SA is absolutely a state sponsor of terrorism. OBL/alQeda ring any bells? You need to learn to separate what you want to be true from the reality. The USA support of SA makes us complicit in this same terrorism. On the other hand, it's about business. If you don't have terrorists, you don't have a terror wor. No terror war, no obscene profits for the USA Military Industrial Corporate Complex. The USA mantra, "War is good business, and business is good," Marketing for weapons and armaments of all types is simple. War, and if you don't have one, gin one up. Corporate marketing, don't ya' know?
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ecofarm said:
SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
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SA starts molding terrorists from the time that they can crawl. Righteousness of killing non-Muslim is in their school books and pounded into them. That's a part of daily life there.
 
cuban smokes said:
then why are the Saudi Air Force dropping cluster bombs & barrel bombs in their enumerable wars?
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Are they? And? At least they are doing something, while the global community sits there and allows dictators and warlords to spread terror, death and mutilation.
 
cuban smokes said:
The British, IKE, The CIA, they all declared war on Iran in 1953 via Operation AJAX, which initiated/supported the SAVAK, a terrorist organization.

why would any nation not return the favor?
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Different time, different war, different global structure. Arguments like that might have cut the mustard in 1980. now they are befuddled.
 
joG said:
Are they? And? At least they are doing something, while the global community sits there and allows dictators and warlords to spread terror, death and mutilation.
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then why is Trump's UN Ambassador 'Nicky I'm a bitch Haley' bitching about Syria using barrel bombs & calling the Syrian forces terrorists because they are using barrel bombs?

Most people, like yourself, either don't pay attention, or would rather pick & choose your terrorist friends & your terrorist foes; they are still the same, no?

The US Government is the same; they pick & choose between the terrorist they call their friends & the terrorists they call their enemies.

Everyone wants to have their terrorist cake & to eat it too .................. yummy .............
 
joG said:
Different time, different war, different global structure. Arguments like that might have cut the mustard in 1980. now they are befuddled.
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so obviously, in your opinion, it is OK for one side to use terrorism during one time period but it is not OK for a different entity to use terrorism in another time frame?

God, I hope you don't have kids 'cause you are gonna teach them some ****ed up values bro .............
 
ecofarm said:
Why can't you understand that private funding is not state funding? And why did you post obscure, likely whackjob, links? The only link I'm willing to click is The Guardian and it's specific - private funding only.
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Saudi Arabia is not a free country, they behead people regularly and chop off the hands of pick pockets but they cannot do anything about their citizens giving large sums of money to terrorists? That makes the Govt. complicit with those contributors so stop being naive.
 
Trump drank the Kool-Aid?

I bet it was Orange Kool-Aid. :)
 
cuban smokes said:
then why is Trump's UN Ambassador 'Nicky I'm a bitch Haley' bitching about Syria using barrel bombs & calling the Syrian forces terrorists because they are using barrel bombs?

Most people, like yourself, either don't pay attention, or would rather pick & choose your terrorist friends & your terrorist foes; they are still the same, no?

The US Government is the same; they pick & choose between the terrorist they call their friends & the terrorists they call their enemies.

Everyone wants to have their terrorist cake & to eat it too .................. yummy .............
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I suspect, it has something to do with the fact that Assad is doing it to his own population to secure his family's income base.
 
cuban smokes said:
so obviously, in your opinion, it is OK for one side to use terrorism during one time period but it is not OK for a different entity to use terrorism in another time frame?

God, I hope you don't have kids 'cause you are gonna teach them some ****ed up values bro .............
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I would have thought that historical context and circumstances were a basic determinant of evaluating behavior.
 
DaveFagan said:
That's the dumbest thing I've heard on this forum. SA is the Wahabi/Salafist/Sunni financial sugar daddy and the principal driving force of ISIS. The USA should be ashamed for supporting this festering blister of puss. SA is absolutely a state sponsor of terrorism. OBL/alQeda ring any bells? You need to learn to separate what you want to be true from the reality. The USA support of SA makes us complicit in this same terrorism. On the other hand, it's about business. If you don't have terrorists, you don't have a terror wor. No terror war, no obscene profits for the USA Military Industrial Corporate Complex. The USA mantra, "War is good business, and business is good," Marketing for weapons and armaments of all types is simple. War, and if you don't have one, gin one up. Corporate marketing, don't ya' know?
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I don't know if it is the dumbest thing I have heard...but it is pretty silly, imo. Otherwise, I agree completely with your post.

What was interesting is ecofarm could produce no evidence whatsoever of SA'a innocence. And I bet you many who feel as he does cannot either. Which is telling. Clearly, they are just believing whatever the government feeds them about the Saudi Royal Family.

Which is sad.

When large groups of people blindly believe whatever the government tells them - especially in 2017 - you know the country is in trouble.
 
DA60 said:
So you have provided ZERO links to unbiased, factual proof that the government of Saudi Arabia does not directly and indirectly fund ISIS/ISIL and al Qaida.

Noted.

Yet another naive, Trumpbot who blindly follows whatever he says...like a good little minion.

We are done here, for now.


And, not that it is any of your business - but I think all religions are a complete and total waste of time. What a nonsensical and stupid strawman you tried.

Iran is not a wonderful nation. But it pales in comparison to the destruction and harm it has caused the world next to Saudi Arabia.

Bu bye now.
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Are you asking him to prove a negative?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Are you asking him to prove a negative?
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I am asking him to show the evidence that leads him to make a matter-of-fact statement like 'SA is not a state sponsor of terrorism.'

If you are going to say something IS a certain way...I assume you have evidence to back up that statement.

If you don't, than why say it in a matter-of-fact manner?


Turns out he had no evidence...at least none he presented...as I suspected.

Pretty silly to go around saying something IS a certain way when you have absolutely no evidence to back it up.
 
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DA60 said:
And when was the last time that Iran officially declared America it's enemy?

And when was the last time that Iran officially declared that they are the enemy of American civilization and her way of life?
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Are we counting the "death to America" chants?
 
ecofarm said:
Private members of that family, which is a couple out of hundreds of people. The state - itself - does not sponsor terrorism. Quite to the contrary, the government of SA shares intel and conducts joint operations with the US.

What's next, you're going to claim Trump's second cousin doing something represents an action of the US government?

State sponsor means sponsored by the state, not a private individual.
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The United States Government arms and finances terrorists. So, the United States is a terrorist state.

Iran is supporting Hezbollah and Hezbollah are fighting ISIS. And Hezbollah sides with the Christians against ISIS.


Hezbollah's Leader to Christians: 'Where are your Churches, Crosses, & Nuns?' - English Subtitles
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Syria War 2017 - Hezbollah Operations on the ISIS held Christian town in Eastern Homs Qaryatayn
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The Newsmakers: Hezbollah's impact in Syria
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Published on May 15, 2017

Hezbollah's leader says they entered Syria to defend Lebanon from Daesh. But the group is also fighting rebel groups, and recapturing territory for the Assad regime.

While Russia turned the tide of the conflict from the air, Hezbollah fighters are said to have shifted the reality on the ground. And despite their losses, many analysts say the war has only strengthened their hand - their fighters are now battle-hardened, better armed and better funded. There are reports that their Shia ally Iran recently paid the group US$6,000,000. So, has the Syrian conflict hurt or helped Hezbollah, and how has it impacted their ambitions in the region?
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