Do We have BLM to Blame for Trump Winning?

calamity said:

Good points made in the article below. I'm not sure about all the claims, but let's explore.

Commentary: How the Black Lives Matter movement helped elect Donald Trump – TheBlaze

Three key states flipped, all of them by only a small percentage of votes. Is it not reasonable to assume that all the hate on cops attention flipped some of these people, most of whom like cops, to vote against the Party which brought BLM mothers to their stage during the National Convention? It certainly was something I did not like about the Party.

TLDNR: BLM defends criminals who are shot by cops. Most people in those three Midwestern swing states which flipped do not buy the argument that the cops are the bad guys. BLM got Trump elected.

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There are thousands of factors that make up an election win, or loss. Reading the article I have to agree that BLM scared enough people to get people out to vote, nut is not THE reason.

I have never seen "The Blaze" before, and based on how poorly and unprofessionally written I hope never to have to again. On the internet any idiot can write an opinin. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one, and most stink

calamity said:

To give three votes to people in small states for each one vote cast in the large ones?

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Grand Mal said:

It was explained to me here.
I wonder why state boundaries are even considered when electing a President.

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Thats the way are constitution was written on how to elect a president. Our foudning fathers didnt want a system where the popular majority could be manipulated. We have a representative system. They also wanted a system that would benifit the entire country instead of just one state. At that time New York. IF from the beginning we had a 1 person 1 vote system the first 10 presidents would have been choosen by who ever got the most votes in New York. Our father saw that as a problem cuz the politics would be manipulated to only help New Yorkers and the rest of the country would get screwed. Same holds true today.

cuban smokes said:

Trump was also running against Gary Johnson, whom I voted for; Johnson garnered ~4% of the popular vote.

Too bad those that are so God ****ing damn stuck on a two party POS MIND SET were not paying attention ..................

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I also voted for Johnson yet with absolutely no expectation that he would win Texas. I do not envision a third party candidate ever winning a state-wide election in Texas.

Fearandloathing said:

There are thousands of factors that make up an election win, or loss. Reading the article I have to agree that BLM scared enough people to get people out to vote, nut is not THE reason.

I have never seen "The Blaze" before, and based on how poorly and unprofessionally written I hope never to have to again. On the internet any idiot can write an opinin. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one, and most stink

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I think of it as Glen Beck's version of Breitbart.

Kobie said:

If 30-40,000 people in three states disliking Hillary more than Trump in a nation of 300+ million is enough to swing an election that Hillary received 2 million+ more votes in, then that is Exhibit A of why the Electoral College is a pants-on-head retarded system and should be scrapped yesterday.

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We are a nation of varied views and values, letting a concerted group of people in say California decide the direction of the country is an even more damning reason to avoid direct votes.

jdog21 said:

You should read on why the college was created in the first place.

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I have. That was 220 years ago. Times change.

Exquisitor said:

The single most factor was Benghazi, the second, Mike Pence, the third, Russia, either of whom could have had little impact without Benghazi, our Ambassador was raped and tortured with cattle prods and fire having his genitals seared off.

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If you think Benghazi was the main factor in Hillary's loss, you are living in an alternate reality.

And Mike Pence? WTF?

calamity said:

Good points made in the article below. I'm not sure about all the claims, but let's explore.

Commentary: How the Black Lives Matter movement helped elect Donald Trump – TheBlaze

Three key states flipped, all of them by only a small percentage of votes. Is it not reasonable to assume that all the hate on cops attention flipped some of these people, most of whom like cops, to vote against the Party which brought BLM mothers to their stage during the National Convention? It certainly was something I did not like about the Party.

TLDNR: BLM defends criminals who are shot by cops. Most people in those three Midwestern swing states which flipped do not buy the argument that the cops are the bad guys. BLM got Trump elected.

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We have Hillary and the DNC to blame for Hillary losing. Wasn't the Russkies. Wasn't BLM. Wasn't Comey. Wasn't the EC. Wasn't the hayseeds from Idaho.

Since there were two realistic entrants, Hillary losing meant the other guy won.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Grand Mal said:

It was explained to me here.
I wonder why state boundaries are even considered when electing a President.

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You should read on why the two part Congress was created in the first place.

jimbo said:

You should read on why the two part Congress was created in the first place.

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I don't need to. The Parliamentary system has had two houses since 15-something, (or even longer, I can't remember and can't be arsed to look it up) and the evolution of the two-part system is taught in schools here. The only thing unique in the American system is the idea of senators representing the states, not the people.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in the election of a president?

Grand Mal said:

I don't need to. The Parliamentary system has had two houses since 15-something, (or even longer, I can't remember and can't be arsed to look it up) and the evolution of the two-part system is taught in schools here. The only thing unique in the American system is the idea of senators representing the states, not the people.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in the election of a president?

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Because the United States are just that. States united for common good. No different than the EU. We are a representative government.

In my view the worst mistake in the Constitution is the 17th amendment.

jimbo said:

Because the United States are just that. States united for common good. No different than the EU. We are a representative government.

In my view the worst mistake in the Constitution is the 17th amendment.

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Yes, okay.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in a presidential election?

Grand Mal said:

Yes, okay.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in a presidential election?

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The USA is the opposite of the EU. We fought a civil war over the 10th amendment and the 10th remains the root of all USA political hatred. We now have 50 mini political civil wars.

If there were no 17th, GOPs would have 64 Senators due to having both chambers in 32 states while DEMs would have 26 from 13 states.

Five states, NY--ME--AK--CO--WA with divided legislatures would have zero senators. I base that on how divided we are. There is historical precedent before the 17th was adopted in 1913 that legislatures were deadlocked when divided and also bribed.

Sheer complete unadulterated power is the only reason GOPs want to get rid of the 17th, which will take 38 states to repeal it, after being proposed by 2/3 of the states legislatures (which has never been done), or proposed by 2/3 of the two federal chambers. GOPs are only 2 states away from having control of the necessary 34 states to start the process of repealing the 17th .

NIMBY said:

The USA is the opposite of the EU. We fought a civil war over the 10th amendment and the 10th remains the root of all USA political hatred. We now have 50 mini political civil wars.

If there were no 17th, GOPs would have 64 Senators due to having both chambers in 32 states while DEMs would have 26 from 13 states.

Five states, NY--ME--AK--CO--WA with divided legislatures would have zero senators. I base that on how divided we are. There is historical precedent before the 17th was adopted in 1913 that legislatures were deadlocked when divided and also bribed.

Sheer complete unadulterated power is the only reason GOPs want to get rid of the 17th, which will take 38 states to repeal it, after being proposed by 2/3 of the states legislatures (which has never been done), or proposed by 2/3 of the two federal chambers. GOPs are only 2 states away from having control of the necessary 34 states to start the process of repealing the 17th .

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I think the 17th should be ammended like it was in 1992 but basically remove the ammenmant. Senators hold office for 6 years and they really shouldnt be there that long with out term limits. They need to go back to being 4 years, hell id like it if they went back even further like it was when the consitution was written senators held office for only 2 years.

The real ones that deserve blame are the apathetic citizens that couldn't be bothered with voting.

calamity said:

Good points made in the article below. I'm not sure about all the claims, but let's explore.

Commentary: How the Black Lives Matter movement helped elect Donald Trump – TheBlaze

Three key states flipped, all of them by only a small percentage of votes. Is it not reasonable to assume that all the hate on cops attention flipped some of these people, most of whom like cops, to vote against the Party which brought BLM mothers to their stage during the National Convention? It certainly was something I did not like about the Party.

TLDNR: BLM defends criminals who are shot by cops. Most people in those three Midwestern swing states which flipped do not buy the argument that the cops are the bad guys. BLM got Trump elected.

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Blm did not get trump the win, trumps economic message got him the win. He campaigned in the rust belt and promoted coal and manufaturing, in the region most hurt by outsourcing while also hurt by the clean energy movement affecting coal production. They were a forgotten group that the democrat party thought they could not only ignore but backstab as well while expecting their votes.

Despite being a democrat stronghold, trump swayed a good numer of people away from hillary with his economic message.

Vetplus40 said:

The real ones that deserve blame are the apathetic citizens that couldn't be bothered with voting.

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Since 1994 midterms, when DEMs lost the house/senate power they had since 1932. Before that, it was GOPs since 1860. (TX remap problems started after the 1990 census)

Last year was a continuous repeat of the same problematic DEM CDs in the same states since REDMAP 2010 that keep coming in well over 100,000 total votes LESS than GOP CDs.

WI-4, MI-13 and 14, PA-1, AZ-3 and 7, all eleven DEM TX CDs are examples last year for their effect on the POTUS alone.

Also under the radar is the reverse cattail effect that senators like Rubio had on helping trump. This effect has also been seen across the board with congressmen.

As for issues beginning in 1994, this is where DEMs started to lose big on guns, social, health care--to name a few .

Grand Mal said:

Yes, okay.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in a presidential election?

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Because the states elect the President, not the people. Because the President is there to head up the federal government, not represent the people, and the federal government is a union of states.

Each state, in its own way, allows its people to decide which way the state's electors will go, but it's still a decision made by the states.

beerftw said:

Blm did not get trump the win, trumps economic message got him the win. He campaigned in the rust belt and promoted coal and manufaturing, in the region most hurt by outsourcing while also hurt by the clean energy movement affecting coal production. They were a forgotten group that the democrat party thought they could not only ignore but backstab as well while expecting their votes.

Despite being a democrat stronghold, trump swayed a good numer of people away from hillary with his economic message.

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And now those coal areas are going to lose both their jobs (because the global market for coal is shrinking) and their health care. Can't say I feel sorry for them.

Coal is in decline

Meanwhile, back at the manufacturing ranch... Trump's Carrier jobs stunt has utterly deflated.
And Workers discover they got grabbed by the er um...

Grand Mal said:

Yes, okay.
Why are state boundaries a consideration in a presidential election?

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Because the reality is the President doesn't represent the people. Never has, never will. The President represents the interests of the states. The states represent the people. The closest the people get to electing federal representation is the House.

The problems have come about when the states ceded power to the feds, which are Constitutionally charged with only three functions. Fighting the wars, protecting the borders, and facilitating interstate travel and commerce.

calamity said:

Good points made in the article below. I'm not sure about all the claims, but let's explore.

Commentary: How the Black Lives Matter movement helped elect Donald Trump – TheBlaze

Three key states flipped, all of them by only a small percentage of votes. Is it not reasonable to assume that all the hate on cops attention flipped some of these people, most of whom like cops, to vote against the Party which brought BLM mothers to their stage during the National Convention? It certainly was something I did not like about the Party.

TLDNR: BLM defends criminals who are shot by cops. Most people in those three Midwestern swing states which flipped do not buy the argument that the cops are the bad guys. BLM got Trump elected.

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I suppose painting the police as bad guys could have switched a few votes. How many, I don't know. Most Americans side with the police. But I think when referring to those three key states, Trump out worked Hillary Clinton in them and out campaigned her there. Examples are 5 visits/campaign rallies in Wisconsin for Trump, 0, none for Hillary. 6 visits/campaign rallies in Michigan for Trump to only one for Hillary. Pennsylvania was a bit closer, 8-5 in Trump's favor.

But what Trump did when he visited those states was addressed the working class fears and worries. He talked about jobs, the economy, etc. Hillary promised to be an Obama third term. Quite a difference. This lead to Trump cutting the union house hold margin in half from 2012. Obama won union households by 18 points, Clinton by only nine. Another huge difference considering this was the Midwest, the rust belt.

Then there was always the question of Sanders supporters. The young, the 18-29 year olds who supported Bernie. How did the perceived rigging of the Democratic primaries in Clinton favor effect them? Obama won them by 23 points in 2012, Clinton won them by 16 points in 2016. How many Sanders supporters stayed home? No way to tell. But we know nationally, the Democratic base went for Clinton 89-8 over Trump. But self-identified Sanders supporters nationwide went to Clinton 65-22 with 13% voting third party.

I think these points I raised had much more effect on the race in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania than BLM. But that doesn't mean cop hating couldn't have played a role. It most likely did, but I doubt as much as what I just mentioned..

Trump won because Hillary's 2.8 million popular vote victory wasn't big enough.

He also won because too many voters had their heads up their rear ends. The BLM reaction was a minor factor among dozens of minor factors. It's not possible to sort them out.

Kobie said:

If 30-40,000 people in three states disliking Hillary more than Trump in a nation of 300+ million is enough to swing an election that Hillary received 2 million+ more votes in, then that is Exhibit A of why the Electoral College is a pants-on-head retarded system and should be scrapped yesterday.

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Until your vandifate wins the EC and loses the popular vote, then the EC will be the best thing since sliced bread.

This is *exactly why Trump won. Democrats brought mothers of criminals on stage and Trump brought unemployed steel belt workers. The left believes their own media echo chamber which is why they lose elections.

calamity said:

Good points made in the article below. I'm not sure about all the claims, but let's explore.

Commentary: How the Black Lives Matter movement helped elect Donald Trump – TheBlaze

Three key states flipped, all of them by only a small percentage of votes. Is it not reasonable to assume that all the hate on cops attention flipped some of these people, most of whom like cops, to vote against the Party which brought BLM mothers to their stage during the National Convention? It certainly was something I did not like about the Party.

TLDNR: BLM defends criminals who are shot by cops. Most people in those three Midwestern swing states which flipped do not buy the argument that the cops are the bad guys. BLM got Trump elected.

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TobyOne said:

This is *exactly why Trump won. Democrats brought mothers of criminals on stage and Trump brought unemployed steel belt workers. The left believes their own media echo chamber which is why they lose elections.

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Yep. That had to have a huge effect in those rust belt states...law and order states with lots of underemployed industrial workers.