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The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media[W:6]

Re: The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media

Cigar said:
This is fun, I wonder what excuse Trump Supporters will use when the Taxes and Finance Records are exposed.
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I will be waiting th indictments for leaking private information without permisssion.
 
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Paperview said:
1st: I really hate those stupid amateur video "casts" of bubble-headed gibbons attempting to man-in-the-street 'splain it all & reward the confirmation bias, so I don't watch them, and I don't know why anyone would. Frankly, they are stupid, IMO.

2. It's a strange to take -- thinking these memo's don't exist, are made up, cannot be confirmed as to their datestamps, and waa! Why haven't we seen them yet.

3. They do, they can be confirmed, and they will be produced, and testified to. Mark it.
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4. At such time as these memos are produced and their author can be questioned then they will be addressed.
 
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nota bene said:
And that's the problem--those reporting haven't read the actual memo for themselves.
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So let me get this right, are you saying we should give the Man who made his Bones on Birtherizem who never once gave other that same respect? We should now have to see proof before accusing someone? Really? I'm sure President Obama and Hilary Clinton thinks the same. Donald is getting exactly what he gave, and I'm Loving every second of it.
 
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ludin said:
I will be waiting th indictments for leaking private information without permisssion.
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Because the Crime is far less than exposing it.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Trying to pass off hearsay as evidence is happening far too frequently these days.

Respect for journalism is at a all time low and the blame rests solely on the shoulders of the news industry itself.
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Your comment reflects a flaw in understanding. Journalism is not like prosecuting someone in a criminal trial. All that is needed to write a piece on a public figure is absence of malice. Hearsay, undisclosed sources, educated guesses, even having an ax to grind are acceptable. What is not acceptable is slandering a non-public figure, like what Sean did to that Seth Rich person, who was a private citizen.
 
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Cigar said:
So let me get this right, are you saying we should give the Man who made his Bones on Birtherizem who never once gave other that same respect? We should now have to see proof before accusing someone? Really? I'm sure President Obama and Hilary Clinton thinks the same. Donald is getting exactly what he gave, and I'm Loving every second of it.
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I would never tell you that two wrongs don't make a right or that if there is a tit there must be a tat. It's just too important to respond in kind if you hope to be seen as reasonable and fair.
 
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calamity said:
Your comment reflects a flaw in understanding. Journalism is not like prosecuting someone in a criminal trial. All that is needed to write a piece on a public figure is absence of malice. Hearsay, undisclosed sources, educated guesses, even having an ax to grind are acceptable. What is not acceptable is slandering a non-public figure, like what Sean did to that Seth Rich person, who was a private citizen.
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What is also not acceptable is reporting as fact that which is only hearsay.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Moderator's Warning:


I'll give you this one freebie. Do not comment on moderator actions. Doing such is a violation of 6a rule. Any other Mod would have done the same thing.




Did you watch the video? He showed examples of the media reporting what the Comey memo's said as fact. Not as speculation. You can see a difference between reporting on the Comey memo's vs other types of reporting. For instance when talking about Joe Blow the criminal, Joe Blow is always referred to as a "suspect" until a court conviction is made due to proof being shown. In the reports of the Comey memo's you get headlines like the one shown in the video in the OP where the headline is clearly reported as being factual.
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The blogger is attacking the NYTimes for its false reporting, so he says, on the Comey memos. The paper makes assertions about what is in the memos but, in fact, the Times reporter never saw the memos. The reporter based his story on what was read to him by a source who claimed to have a copy of the memo. Quite damning. How does the blogger know this is the basis for the Times story, you may ask. It is in the story. I'll repeat that. It is in the story. Next the blogger goes on at some length in his
criticism of the main stream press by attacking a tweet. At this point I admit I stopped listening.
 
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nota bene said:
I would never tell you that two wrongs don't make a right or that if there is a tit there must be a tat. It's just too important to respond in kind if you hope to be seen as reasonable and fair.
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Oh make no mistake, I personally am not concerned about being SEEN as reasonable and fair. After experiencing the last 8 years, I would have zero problem seeming The GOP, Conservatives and Trump Supporter getting their nose stuck back into the same crap they dished out.

I'm serious, I have ZERO problem with it. Maybe they'll learn something.
 
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calamity said:
Your comment reflects a flaw in understanding. Journalism is not like prosecuting someone in a criminal trial. All that is needed to write a piece on a public figure is absence of malice. Hearsay, undisclosed sources, educated guesses, even having an ax to grind are acceptable. What is not acceptable is slandering a non-public figure, like what Sean did to that Seth Rich person, who was a private citizen.
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There is a distinct difference in reporting something as hard news (fact) and issuing editorial commentary (opinion) based on an "educated" opinion, hunch or hearsay. Once that line is crossed (seriously blurred?) then the source may be (properly?) relegated to tabloid status.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
There is a distinct difference in reporting something as a fact (hard news) and issuing editorial commentary (opinion) based on an "educated" opinion, hunch or hearsay.
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Wasn't a problem during the last 8 years, why is it now?
 
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nota bene said:
What is also not acceptable is reporting as fact that which is only hearsay.
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How would you interpret hearsay as fact? The reports always state "according to so and so," or "high ranking officials say" in their pieces. You're just miffed because the hearsay paints an ugly picture, which people draw their own conclusions over. And, that is perfectly legit.
 
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Cigar said:
Wasn't a problem during the last 8 years, why is it now?
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Ironic. Isn't it?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
There is a distinct difference in reporting something as hard news (fact) and issuing editorial commentary (opinion) based on an "educated" opinion, hunch or hearsay.
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In a world were any "Document" can be real-time faked, how can a reporter know what is Fact?


So, they just give us their opinions instead...


And we consume the opinions, so they get paid, and they get to have dinner.


Do you blame them? or U.S.?

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JackA said:
The blogger is attacking the NYTimes for its false reporting, so he says, on the Comey memos. The paper makes assertions about what is in the memos but, in fact, the Times reporter never saw the memos. The reporter based his story on what was read to him by a source who claimed to have a copy of the memo. Quite damning. How does the blogger know this is the basis for the Times story, you may ask. It is in the story. I'll repeat that. It is in the story. Next the blogger goes on at some length in his
criticism of the main stream press by attacking a tweet. At this point I admit I stopped listening.
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Whether its false or not dependent on their being an actual memo which the NYT reporter says is there. But we don't know if its actually there. At least not as described by the NYT reporter. The main criticism is the the "false reporting" isn't in whether there is proof or not, its in that the NYT reporter, and other news agencies since, have claimed that it is factual without having read the memo themselves or anything else reliable. Until such time as that memo is produced it is only speculation. Which is why the person in the video in the OP is saying that is false. They're reporting something as factual, when all it really is, is speculation. Reporting something as factual, when it has not been confirmed as being factual, can be considered as false reporting.
 
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I clicked on the video and it was some guy skateboarding in slow mo. Really, this is the "opposition" to mainstream media? Some skater on youtube?
Russian intelligence operations in the U.S. compromising us likely all the way to the presidency (direct or indirect makes no difference), and this is the defense?

I'd rather see a salient post by Kal-Stang that listed let's say, 4 bullet points about "why the mainstream media is bad/wrong". Then it could be debated reasonably.

Foreshadowing, following the money trail and intelligence in regards to long standing Russian intelligence operations on our own soil has been reported over and over and ****ing OVER, to take possibly YEARS. YEARS. Not first 100 days goofballs. Maybe some rural have-nots like to gather up a posse, don some masks and grab a torch, and set out to set administer sum real southern justice...but as it turns out, the big boys and girls (you may call them deep state, ie. career, employed, professionals...stings don't it?), work to do things the right way.

Russia knows how to conduct itself in such operations, it knows how to use third parties and shell companies and blackmail that can't be traced, etc., etc., etc. And at the end, they are simply trying to influence and destabilize...I'd say the proof is kind of obvious, they succeeded. They are not runn'n moonshine and leaving tire tracks and cigarette butts like you use to love watching on Dukes of Hazard. What "hard evidence" would be just laying out there? An email?

Putin: Trump, we want all your base
Trump: Working on it Heir-Putin, give me a few more months.

Then again, why would we expect a reasonable critique of anything, when they elected Trump in the first place. Simple is as simple does.
 
Re: The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media

ttwtt78640 said:
There is a distinct difference in reporting something as hard news (fact) and issuing editorial commentary (opinion) based on an "educated" opinion, hunch or hearsay. Once that line is crossed (seriously blurred?) then the source may be (properly?) relegated to tabloid status.
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Fact: high ranking officials said X.

See how that works? Hearsay is fact. Someone said something that they claim they heard. And, it was then reported that they said it. I see no problem with that.
 
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Cigar said:
Wasn't a problem during the last 8 years, why is it now?
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It was a problem then and is simply getting worse now (see numerous trust in the MSM polls). How many times have you seen folks here on DP reject content based on the "news" source used to support it?
 
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Paperview said:
1st: I really hate those stupid amateur video "casts" of bubble-headed gibbons attempting to man-in-the-street 'splain it all & reward the confirmation bias, so I don't watch them, and I don't know why anyone would. Frankly, they are stupid, IMO.

2. It's a strange to take -- thinking these memo's don't exist, are made up, cannot be confirmed as to their datestamps, and waa! Why haven't we seen them yet.

3. They do, they can be confirmed, and they will be produced, and testified to. Mark it.
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And until such time as they are produced why should we take anyones word that they do exist? That what is in them is being reported correctly? Until such time as they are produced then why is the media covering them as being factual when they haven't even seen it for themselves? Why not mark the story as being speculative instead? Which would reflect reality far more accurately?
 
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Mach said:
I clicked on the video and it was some guy skateboarding in slow mo. Really, this is the "opposition" to mainstream media? Some skater on youtube?
Russian intelligence operations in the U.S. compromising us likely all the way to the presidency (direct or indirect makes no difference), and this is the defense?

I'd rather see a salient post by Kal-Stang that listed let's say, 4 bullet points about "why the mainstream media is bad/wrong". Then it could be debated reasonably.

Foreshadowing, following the money trail and intelligence in regards to long standing Russian intelligence operations on our own soil has been reported over and over and ****ing OVER, to take possibly YEARS. YEARS. Not first 100 days goofballs. Maybe some rural have-nots like to gather up a posse, don some masks and grab a torch, and set out to set administer sum real southern justice...but as it turns out, the big boys and girls (you may call them deep state, ie. career, employed, professionals...stings don't it?), work to do things the right way.

Russia knows how to conduct itself in such operations, it knows how to use third parties and shell companies and blackmail that can't be traced, etc., etc., etc. And at the end, they are simply trying to influence and destabilize...I'd say the proof is kind of obvious, they succeeded. They are not runn'n moonshine and leaving tire tracks and cigarette butts like you use to love watching on Dukes of Hazard. What "hard evidence" would be just laying out there? An email?

Putin: Trump, we want all your base
Trump: Working on it Heir-Putin, give me a few more months.

Then again, why would we expect a reasonable critique of anything, when they elected Trump in the first place. Simple is as simple does.
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:clap:

Excellent post.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
In a world were any "Document" can be real-time faked, how can a reporter know what is Fact?


So, they just give us their opinions instead...


And we consume the opinions, so they get paid, and they get to have dinner.


Do you blame them? or U.S.?

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Using the "logic" that there is little (no?) difference between seeing a written document and hearing (a rumor?) of its content makes no sense. The fact that counterfeiting is possible does not make me trust your check as much as your cash. ;)
 
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calamity said:
How would you interpret hearsay as fact? The reports always state "according to so and so," or "high ranking officials say" in their pieces. You're just miffed because the hearsay paints an ugly picture, which people draw their own conclusions over. And, that is perfectly legit.
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I'm not at all "miffed"; I'm skeptical. Perhaps this is because I've myself worn a journo's hat. "Alleged" is a critically important word.
 
Re: The comey memo and double standards from mainstream media

Cigar said:
Oh make no mistake, I personally am not concerned about being SEEN as reasonable and fair. After experiencing the last 8 years, I would have zero problem seeming The GOP, Conservatives and Trump Supporter getting their nose stuck back into the same crap they dished out.

I'm serious, I have ZERO problem with it. Maybe they'll learn something.
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That's good to know. I'd like to think that when you reach a certain age, whatever that age is, you begin to realize that "An eye for an eye...and the world goes blind." Sorry you don't agree.
 
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calamity said:
Your comment reflects a flaw in understanding. Journalism is not like prosecuting someone in a criminal trial. All that is needed to write a piece on a public figure is absence of malice. Hearsay, undisclosed sources, educated guesses, even having an ax to grind are acceptable. What is not acceptable is slandering a non-public figure, like what Sean did to that Seth Rich person, who was a private citizen.
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Let me ask you this Calamity, what is the difference between a tabloid and an actual reliable news media?
 
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Kurmugeon said:
Anything which you can download to your computer, photos, videos, text, timestamps.... ANY of it, can be modified and "Faked", by anyone with a bit of time and knowledge, ...

But it can be faked real-time, with ease, by the Government's Intel Agencies.

So, in the OP Vid, he demands "Proof", but in the end, there simply isn't any possible proof which cannot be suspect.

So, at some point, you have to ask yourself, what do you want to believe? Who do you want to believe?

And you make a CHOICE... like picking ice cream...

So, What's your flavor? Trump? or Impeachment?

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Which is why facts and sources are suppose to be cross-checked and vetted for verification. Even that is not completely reliable but it part of the process that lournalists should be going through to perserve the integrity of their reporting. In many cases that seems to be missing. They are rushing to make a salicious headline without putting in the propper amount of legwork and the more blatant it becomes the more obvious it is to their audience.

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