Just more hatred for Muslims!!

Two killed on Portland train after 'defending Muslims' | USA News | Al Jazeera

This is what happens when you make people of one religion or profession the bad guys and make physical attacks okay! Only this time it wasn't a body slam, it was with a knife and two people died. It is starting to be very scary to live in this country. I can remember being a very young child living in the South and getting beat up for being a Catholic. At the time didn't even know why being a Catholic was bad. So I know how Muslims in this country are feeling. Back then we were also called names. Not towel heads, but Catlickers or fisheaters. I even carry a scar roday from being hit on the head by a coke bottle by one of the gangs that beat up Catholics.

From the article the man was clearly crazy. The slurs were not just about Muslims.

Two men have been stabbed to death after they tried to intervene when a man yelled racial slurs at two Muslim women on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon, US police said.

A third train passenger, who also tried to stop the bullying, was badly wounded and taken to hospital, The Oregonian newspaper reported on Friday.

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I don't know if it was worth their life to intervene, only they can answer that. They had courage and stood for what they believed.

Would most of us? I don't know.

_Sal said:

From the article the man was clearly crazy. The slurs were not just about Muslims.



I don't know if it was worth their life to intervene, only they can answer that. They had courage and stood for what they believed.

Would most of us? I don't know.

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It took courage but I also doubt they thought their lives were in danger when they first approached. Things like that happen on the train all the time, they just don't usually end in physical violence, let alone death. On the other hand, if they knew he was armed when they approached then their actions weren't just courageous, they were heroic.

Skeptic Bob said:

It took courage but I also doubt they thought their lives were in danger when they first approached. Things like that happen on the train all the time, they just don't usually end in physical violence, let alone death. On the other hand, if they knew he was armed when they approached then their actions weren't just courageous, they were heroic.

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agreed

we all have a line in the sand it's just the placement that differs

we are living in interesting times where only people of strong courage and conviction can stem the tide or it will wash over us...the world always bounces back though

Skeptic Bob said:

Things like that happen on the train all the time.

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Yeah it's unreal, took the train for many years, I remember one particular instance very well where this crazy old Irish lady started verbally abusing this Sikh Father and his two daughters about being the wrong religion, I was tempted to say something but just before I did my girlfriend sneezed and she started verbally abusing her for, for whatever reason not knowing who Pope John Paul II was... So we realized she was just mental, everyone just kinda looked down and let her go off.

_Sal said:

agreed

we all have a line in the sand it's just the placement that differs

we are living in interesting times where only people of strong courage and conviction can stem the tide or it will wash over us...the world always bounces back though

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Sorry but the world isn't bouncing back from this. It's all downhill from here.

Jetboogieman said:

Yeah it's unreal, took the train for many years, I remember one particular instance very well where this crazy old Irish lady started verbally abusing this Sikh Father and his two daughters about being the wrong religion, I was tempted to say something but just before I did my girlfriend sneezed and she started verbally abusing her for, for whatever reason not knowing who Pope John Paul II was... So we realized she was just mental, everyone just kinda looked down and let her go off.

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When I used to ride the metro I never verbally engaged those types of people on the few occasions I saw that happening. What I would do, if the verbally accosted person looked scared or distressed, is I would position myself between the crazy person and then start a polite conversation with the accosted person while ignoring the ranting person. I think I have done that twice and it worked. However, if I had done it to this particular crazy person I probably would have been stabbed in the back so it may not be the smartest approach.

Zalatix said:

Sorry but the world isn't bouncing back from this. It's all downhill from here.

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it bounced back from the crusades, it bounced back from WWl and WWll

there is a massive pendulum that swings from left to right and then lands in the middle...the middle are times of plenitude and tolerance and peace...for my parents the pendulum was swinging, for much of my life the pendulum rocked gently in the middle

now it has a wider arc

it will rest again at some point, it always does

Before the stabbing, the assailant was ranting on many topics, using "hate speech or biased language", and then turned his focus on the women, police spokesman Pete Simpson said.

It was not clear why the man was yelling, Simpson said.

"He was talking about a lot of different things, not just specifically anti-Muslim," Simpson said.

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Like others have said, this wasn't a hate crime against Muslims. It was a simple crime by someone riding the train to crazy town.

independentusa said:

Two killed on Portland train after 'defending Muslims' | USA News | Al Jazeera

This is what happens when you make people of one religion or profession the bad guys and make physical attacks okay! Only this time it wasn't a body slam, it was with a knife and two people died. It is starting to be very scary to live in this country. I can remember being a very young child living in the South and getting beat up for being a Catholic. At the time didn't even know why being a Catholic was bad. So I know how Muslims in this country are feeling. Back then we were also called names. Not towel heads, but Catlickers or fisheaters. I even carry a scar roday from being hit on the head by a coke bottle by one of the gangs that beat up Catholics.

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How were the Catholics viewed at that time? Were you considered a threat to national security, a danger? Why didn't people like Catholics? I am really curious to know.

I was living at the time in Louisville, KY. I lived there from the time I was 3 until I was nine, My father was in the service. I always said that people in the South, at least in the area of the South I lived in hated three kinds of people, Blacks, Jews and Catholics. You ask me why Catholics, I am not really sure. All I know is that many of the "friends" I had before they found out was Catholic were soon ganging up to beat me up. Their parents had told them we were not really good Americans as we did as the Pope told us what to do rather than the president. In fact when Kennedy was running for president in 1959, people were saying the same thing about him. The kids sometimes called us Papists and said we weren't really Christians. Funny since before Luther Martin, Catholics were the only Christians in the eastern part of the church. Anyway, who can really say why we hate someone. Most of the time it is what our parents or friends tell us.

SheWolf said:

How were the Catholics viewed at that time? Were you considered a threat to national security, a danger? Why didn't people like Catholics? I am really curious to know.

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what he says was common in many areas even Canada...I remember it from when I was growing up...Catholics were considered "non-Christian" and less than by many groups especially strong WASP groups

when Kennedy took office it was big deal that he was Catholic