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I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and here

Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
Let me explain this to you slowly:
if I support breaking up the country
then it follows that I don't care about right wing echo chambers. Nothing I can do to stop them.

Get it?

And if you think this country is ever going to go back to being civil with the way things have deteriorated since Clinton left office, then you are in no position to use the :screwy smiley, ever. Things are never going to get better. Ever. At least until there is a civil war, and this time it will mean the end of this country as it exists now.
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Well, things will never return to civility while too many people think and speak as you do, that's for sure.

You're part of the problem.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
:screwy

So in your universe murdering people is the exact same as punching them. Funny how the courts can put you to death for slashing throats while punching and body slamming only get a fine. Man, this country's laws are crazy for disagreeing with you on this. ****ing crazy judges!
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So...in YOUR universe it's okay for a crowd of people...dressed in black and wearing masks...to beat and bloody others because...oh, yeah..."they are nazis".

Violence is violence...no matter the severity or the punishment.

Sorry, but you cannot deny the left is as...or more...violent than the right. The facts don't support your contention.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
"As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?" - laughably unsupportable.
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that has nothing to do with your argument. so lets go back and review what the argument actually was.

someone pointed out that violent crime was going down. YOU asked for a citation.

I have given you a citation that violent crime in the US and gun crime in general has been on the way down since 1994.
I then gave you charts that prove that from the FBI and other crime statistic organizations.

so the fact is that violent crime and gun crime is on the way down and has been since 1994.

what you just said was a what we call a strawman argument.

Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage: analysis - Washington Times

the statistics say otherwise. in a 2 year period 49% of those people shot and killed by police where white.
30% were black and the remaining where Hispanic Asian etc ...

when factoring in homicides white people are 1.5 times more likely to be shot by police than blacks.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
The Taliban is Conservative - look at their belief system.
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Yes, the Taliban are for limited government, low taxes, capitalism, individual rights and a Constitutional republic. :roll: It must be nice to live in a fact-free leftist paradise and be able to hold such moronic beliefs. But your posts are the perfect example of why political discourse has become so toxic--its not enough for you to disagree with your political opponents, you have to turn them into demons.
It's the exact same as American Christian Conservatism, except their god is Allah and well I'm not entirely sure what god Conservatives bow to because I'm not going to risk my soul by saying it's Jesus.
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I am sure that if there is a God, your soul is too tarnished by hatred for Him to salvage, so you might as well say what is on your mind at this point.

As for Dylan Roof, well Republican is as Republican does. And before you rant about how the Klan was Democrats - they're all Republican now. I wonder why.
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One disturbed guy goes on a killing spree and that is enough for you to smear an entire political ideology to which he had no real ties. No one on the right supports what he did. Take your hate filled rants back to your leftist garage.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Harshaw said:
Well, things will never return to civility while too many people think and speak as you do, that's for sure.

You're part of the problem.
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Yup, I sure as **** am.

I'm part of the problem because I and millions like me will not ever tolerate Islamophobia, Christianist extremism, racism, sexism, homophobia, or corporate statism. We will not ever be dictated to by the Right about what constitutes bigotry. We will not ever tolerate Trickle Down economics. And we sure as heck will not tolerate Republic of Gilead style bull crap inflicted upon women.

Oh frigging well. We'll fight this country into the dirt before we surrender to that BS. We will fight to the death over what we feel is right.

The majority of blacks have rejected the GOP. The majority of Hispanics. The majority of Asians. The majority of women. We have all spoken, in repeated elections, that we reject Conservatism, we reject the GOP. We're not ever going to accept them.

We're all a part of your problem. And we're never going away, and we're never, ever backing down. Get. Used. To. That.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Mycroft said:
So...in YOUR universe it's okay for a crowd of people...dressed in black and wearing masks...to beat and bloody others because...oh, yeah..."they are nazis".

Violence is violence...no matter the severity or the punishment.

Sorry, but you cannot deny the left is as...or more...violent than the right. The facts don't support your contention.
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The left excuses violence and hatred on their side because their anger is righteous. They paint their political foes as evil which makes anything they do to fight that evil good and just.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Mycroft said:
There is no difference, though you are trying to establish some kind of difference.

Look. I gave only one example of leftists violence. I could give more. Heck, what do you think is worse: Your examples of lone wolves or the numerous examples of CROWDS of leftists bloodying peaceful protesters or people who just want to see someone speak, destroying public and private property, fighting the police with explosives, etc?

My only point is that, despite your contention, it isn't worse coming from the right. It doesn't mean the right is more violent than the left.
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I have to point out that this is a minority of both sets of people. using broad paint strokes is well stupid.
I would stay out of the OP's fallacy.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
Yup, I sure as **** am.

I'm part of the problem because I and millions like me will not ever tolerate Islamophobia, Christianist extremism, racism, sexism, homophobia, or corporate statism. We will not ever be dictated to by the Right about what constitutes bigotry. We will not ever tolerate Trickle Down economics. And we sure as heck will not tolerate Republic of Gilead style bull crap inflicted upon women.

Oh frigging well. We'll fight this country into the dirt before we surrender to that BS. We will fight to the death over what we feel is right.

The majority of blacks have rejected the GOP. The majority of Hispanics. The majority of Asians. The majority of women. We have all spoken, in repeated elections, that we reject Conservatism, we reject the GOP. We're not ever going to accept them.

We're all a part of your problem. And we're never going away, and we're never, ever backing down. Get. Used. To. That.
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Thankfully, the number of people who join you in your unhinged screeching - left or right - is still pretty low.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

ludin said:
that has nothing to do with your argument. so lets go back and review what the argument actually was.
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Hold up, jog did make that statement "As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?":
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...d-and-here-post1067248404.html#post1067248404

so yes it has everything to do with my argument because I called Jog out on what he wrote!

someone pointed out that violent crime was going down. YOU asked for a citation.
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No, I asked for a citation about this statement: "As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?"

We're not going to keep arguing this. That is what I asked for a citation for. Period. Don't believe it? Tough. I want a citation for that statement. End of discussion. And I mean it.

I have given you a citation that violent crime in the US and gun crime in general has been on the way down since 1994.
I then gave you charts that prove that from the FBI and other crime statistic organizations.

so the fact is that violent crime and gun crime is on the way down and has been since 1994.

what you just said was a what we call a strawman argument.

Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage: analysis - Washington Times

the statistics say otherwise. in a 2 year period 49% of those people shot and killed by police where white.
30% were black and the remaining where Hispanic Asian etc ...

when factoring in homicides white people are 1.5 times more likely to be shot by police than blacks.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA oh boy
And old, outdated and thoroughly refuted argument.

Like so:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/
In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

But as data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
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Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
Yup, I sure as **** am.

I'm part of the problem because I and millions like me will not ever tolerate Islamophobia, Christianist extremism, racism, sexism, homophobia, or corporate statism. We will not ever be dictated to by the Right about what constitutes bigotry. We will not ever tolerate Trickle Down economics. And we sure as heck will not tolerate Republic of Gilead style bull crap inflicted upon women.

Oh frigging well. We'll fight this country into the dirt before we surrender to that BS. We will fight to the death over what we feel is right.

The majority of blacks have rejected the GOP. The majority of Hispanics. The majority of Asians. The majority of women. We have all spoken, in repeated elections, that we reject Conservatism, we reject the GOP. We're not ever going to accept them.

We're all a part of your problem. And we're never going away, and we're never, ever backing down. Get. Used. To. That.
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if they rejected it then why has the GOP slaughtered the liberal party in the election cycles?
even more so on the local elections.

your reality doesn't match actual facts.

you are no longer worth my time.
 
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Fletch said:
The left excuses violence and hatred on their side because their anger is righteous. They paint their political foes as evil which makes anything they do to fight that evil good and just.
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Wow. And right on cue to prove my point:
Zalatix said:
Yup, I sure as **** am.

I'm part of the problem because I and millions like me will not ever tolerate Islamophobia, Christianist extremism, racism, sexism, homophobia, or corporate statism. We will not ever be dictated to by the Right about what constitutes bigotry. We will not ever tolerate Trickle Down economics. And we sure as heck will not tolerate Republic of Gilead style bull crap inflicted upon women.

Oh frigging well. We'll fight this country into the dirt before we surrender to that BS. We will fight to the death over what we feel is right.
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And he and his ilk will 'fight' and that 'fight' will include violence. But that violence will be excused because it is righteous violence aimed at bad, evil republicans.
 
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Harshaw said:
Thankfully, the number of people who join you in your unhinged screeching - left or right - is still pretty low.
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Really? 65 million people - the people who voted for Hillary - reflect my stance on things. They outnumber the Trump voters.

There's nothing unhinged about what I wrote unless you're one of the unhinged bigots of the Right. Oh wait, you are Libertarian-Right. Nevermind. Considering the source.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
Hold up, jog did make that statement "As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?":
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...d-and-here-post1067248404.html#post1067248404

so yes it has everything to do with my argument because I called Jog out on what he wrote!


No, I asked for a citation about this statement: "As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?"

We're not going to keep arguing this. That is what I asked for a citation for. Period. Don't believe it? Tough. I want a citation for that statement. End of discussion. And I mean it.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA oh boy
And old, outdated and thoroughly refuted argument.

Like so:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/
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than you for showing in your own link that more white people were shot than black.

Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black.
you supported my previous post. so nothing was debunked.

however I have proven 2 things now.

1. violent crime and gun crime is going down
and that more white people have been shot than blacks.

you even confirmed that in your own post.

so I have no reason to respond to you any further since you have proven your own argument wrong.
 
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ludin said:
I have to point out that this is a minority of both sets of people. using broad paint strokes is well stupid.
I would stay out of the OP's fallacy.
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Good advice. I'll take it.

This thread is dismissed.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Fletch said:
Wow. And right on cue to prove my point:
And he and his ilk will 'fight' and that 'fight' will include violence. But that violence will be excused because it is righteous violence aimed at bad, evil republicans.
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No, if any violence comes from us, it's going to be in self-defense. Mostly we will vote against Republicans and fight to obstruct every law they pass and make this country as ungovernable under Right wing leadership as we can. You're already seeing that with California taking an official stand against Trump, you're already seeing us fight back at Town Halls. It's already happening across the country. Liberals are grinding the system to a halt.

But soon we will also be forced to defend ourselves against these terrorist attacks, mass shootings, throat slashings, and all that crap.

Thing is you people think self-defense is illegal. News flash - it's not.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

ludin said:
than you for showing in your own link that more white people were shot than black.
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Once again: black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

Your post has been debunked.

so I have no reason to respond to you any further since you have proven your own argument wrong.
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But as I told you before and you failed to comprehend, I was challenging one argument made by Jog: "As to the cops shooting Blacks, you do realize that the numbers show that Whites are downed more often on statistically meaningful examination?"

And the Washington Post has debunked your argument. Black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers. Finito.
 
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ludin said:
if they rejected it then why has the GOP slaughtered the liberal party in the election cycles?
even more so on the local elections.
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This is all going to end when whites are no longer the majority. And that's coming in a few decades. Your argument in no way refutes the fact that POC and women rejected Conservatism. Your "slaughtered the liberal party" only proves that white voters push the GOP forward. A populace that is not going to be the majority, thanks to birth rates and not violence or white genocide as some of you right wingers like to whine about.

The women and POC have spoken - we don't want your politics. We will fight Conservatism. I know that word 'fight' triggers you but it doesn't mean starting literal violence.

you are no longer worth my time.
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You can't handle facts? Then don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you. Everything I said was cited fact. You've backed up your opinions WITH NOTHING AT ALL.
 
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Mycroft said:
Good advice. I'll take it.

This thread is dismissed.
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Then I won't have to read your deflections, dodges and assorted nonsense? Cool.

If only we could convince you people to split up the country so we never have to deal with your kind ever again.
 
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Zalatix said:
Untrue, and you have nothing to back this up with.

And please name the last left leaning US President who has said their supporters should beat the crap out of protesters. Trump has been caught on video doing exactly this.

The left's got nothing in America to match the likes of Dylan Roof or Timothy McVeigh. Except Osama Bin Laden - oh wait, his Islamist religion/ideology is entirely Right Wing in nature.

Basically: you have no citations to back up what you write. You just posted an empty one-liner, which is what Conservatives tend to do.
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https://heatst.com/culture-wars/stu...or-for-objecting-to-no-whites-day-of-absence/
 
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Zalatix said:
If by DU flare you mean posting a flood of factual citations to support my case while you Conservatives back up your counter arguments with nothing whatsoever.........
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DU is an echo chamber for lesser minds.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
Nope, actually I am for splitting this country up. The left can go one way and pursue progress while the Right can have their no gays, women stay in the kitchen, no people of color wonderland.

There is no way possible that America can reconcile our differences. It's over. SWAT teams intervene when marriages are in a state half as sorry as this country is.
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Progressives are tyrants, and Conservatives are independent individuals, it's no wonder you want to split the country into those who are sheep (Progressives) and can't understand those that disagree with you.
 
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Renae said:
Progressives are tyrants, and Conservatives are independent individuals, it's no wonder you want to split the country into those who are sheep (Progressives) and can't understand those that disagree with you.
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You're not worth my time. You can't show where the cited facts I presented in the OP were untrue, so what you have to say means nothing.

Show that the incidents I posted didn't happen. Then I'll take your rant seriously.
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
No, if any violence comes from us, it's going to be in self-defense. Mostly we will vote against Republicans and fight to obstruct every law they pass and make this country as ungovernable under Right wing leadership as we can. You're already seeing that with California taking an official stand against Trump, you're already seeing us fight back at Town Halls. It's already happening across the country. Liberals are grinding the system to a halt.

But soon we will also be forced to defend ourselves against these terrorist attacks, mass shootings, throat slashings, and all that crap.

Thing is you people think self-defense is illegal. News flash - it's not.
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The system is not grinding to a halt and your acts of violence are not self defense. But your posts are hateful and silly though, so you've got that going for you.
 
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Andalublue said:
No, it's coming from the right. No, the left. No, the right. No, it must be the left. Or the right.
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Wouldn't it depend if somebody is left handed or right handed?
 
Re: I warned about all of this RW violence YEARS AGO - on Democratic Underground and

Zalatix said:
You're not worth my time. You can't show where the cited facts I presented in the OP were untrue, so what you have to say means nothing.

Show that the incidents I posted didn't happen. Then I'll take your rant seriously.
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Don't worry, no one takes your rants seriously either. But the point isn't that there are random acts of violence that happen in a nation of 330,000,000 people. Its that you link these acts to one particular political party is what is just plain stupid and hackish
 
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