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Is politics thicker than blood?

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Part of me says... Yes.

I came to this conclusion naturally. However, I think I saw stefan molyneux support this notion.
What he said was pretty identical to my idea.

Essentially, if you're political differences involve the belief that "I" should not be given a right that I enjoy... Then we can't get along... Sorry, mom, dad, grandma, wife, girlfriend, aunt, cousin, sister, brother, etc...
If you think I deserve to be in prison over something I do. You're dead to me.

I went through something like this personally with my dad. It was a few years ago where he caught me doing drugs. Ever since that day I've been avoiding him.
I've had my head in my books, and I've been working on getting a job so I can move out
Because to be honest, I don't ever wanna see his face again in my life. I'm not just pissed off, this didn't happen last week. This was I think at least a year or two ago.
TBH, I would feel absolutely nothing if he died right now. And yes... This is 100% because he threatened to call the police over me doing drugs.... 100%.
Had that not happened, me and him would be cool.
However, I've chosen to do everything I can to avoid him and I've done so for a while. I speak in short, one word sentences. If I speak at all, it's just "Yea" "Sure" "uh huh"
I don't think he knows it, but I wouldn't even wanna be at his funeral.

But again, its not as simple as "We disagree on politics, therefore I hope you die"
It's more like, "You think I should be in jail for my choices, therefore, I really hope you ****ing die"

It's not as simple as "Trump vs. Clinton" or "Democrat vs. Republican"
America's Latest Social Crisis: Couples Call It Quits Over Trump | Zero Hedge

But for some it is... like this here woman who divorced her husband of 22 years over his support for Donald Trump.
Did she make the right decision?
I think so. More people ought to get divorced to show political loyalty

I'd say yes. IMO, if you're committed enough to feel disdain towards a different politic group. It should be equal for all people... That means if you dislike the old man down the street because he likes Trump, then you should hold that standard to your own family members as well.
Otherwise it's not really fair...
Oh? So I'm a piece of **** if I like Trump? But if your brother, sister or significant other likes Trump they get a pass?

**** it. Blood is not thicker than water. I would encourage anyone to end relationships over political turmoil.

If you're a practitioner of Judaism, and a relative decides to be a Neo-Nazi... Is it unreasonable to not want **** to do with them?
 
whateverdude said:
Part of me says... Yes.

I came to this conclusion naturally. However, I think I saw stefan molyneux support this notion.
What he said was pretty identical to my idea.

Essentially, if you're political differences involve the belief that "I" should not be given a right that I enjoy... Then we can't get along... Sorry, mom, dad, grandma, wife, girlfriend, aunt, cousin, sister, brother, etc...
If you think I deserve to be in prison over something I do. You're dead to me.

I went through something like this personally with my dad. It was a few years ago where he caught me doing drugs. Ever since that day I've been avoiding him.
I've had my head in my books, and I've been working on getting a job so I can move out
Because to be honest, I don't ever wanna see his face again in my life. I'm not just pissed off, this didn't happen last week. This was I think at least a year or two ago.
TBH, I would feel absolutely nothing if he died right now. And yes... This is 100% because he threatened to call the police over me doing drugs.... 100%.
Had that not happened, me and him would be cool.
However, I've chosen to do everything I can to avoid him and I've done so for a while. I speak in short, one word sentences. If I speak at all, it's just "Yea" "Sure" "uh huh"
I don't think he knows it, but I wouldn't even wanna be at his funeral.

But again, its not as simple as "We disagree on politics, therefore I hope you die"
It's more like, "You think I should be in jail for my choices, therefore, I really hope you ****ing die"

It's not as simple as "Trump vs. Clinton" or "Democrat vs. Republican"
America's Latest Social Crisis: Couples Call It Quits Over Trump | Zero Hedge

But for some it is... like this here woman who divorced her husband of 22 years over his support for Donald Trump.
Did she make the right decision?
I think so. More people ought to get divorced to show political loyalty

I'd say yes. IMO, if you're committed enough to feel disdain towards a different politic group. It should be equal for all people... That means if you dislike the old man down the street because he likes Trump, then you should hold that standard to your own family members as well.
Otherwise it's not really fair...
Oh? So I'm a piece of **** if I like Trump? But if your brother, sister or significant other likes Trump they get a pass?

**** it. Blood is not thicker than water. I would encourage anyone to end relationships over political turmoil.

If you're a practitioner of Judaism, and a relative decides to be a Neo-Nazi... Is it unreasonable to not want **** to do with them?
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I think you have the phrase confused. The blood in "blood is thicker than water" does not refer to family. In fact the phrase is often misused, the original saying is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", it it in fact means the opposite of what most people intend.
 
Crovax said:
I think you have the phrase confused. The blood in "blood is thicker than water" does not refer to family. In fact the phrase is often misused, the original saying is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", it it in fact means the opposite of what most people intend.
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I've heard that it had a different meaning, but I chose to use the most common, misused definition.
I could sum it up better by just saying "Ideology is more important than family and relations"
More couples need to hit the divorce court over this type of stuff. The 2016 election broke people apart from one another, and I think that's good. In 2020, we need to shoot for twice as many people splitting apart
 
whateverdude said:
I've heard that it had a different meaning, but I chose to use the most common, misused definition.
I could sum it up better by just saying "Ideology is more important than family and relations"
More couples need to hit the divorce court over this type of stuff. The 2016 election broke people apart from one another, and I think that's good. In 2020, we need to shoot for twice as many people splitting apart
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"Whatever, Dude."
 
Based only on what you wrote, it doesn't sound to me like your dad thinks you deserve to be in jail. It sounds like he was just trying to scare you out of using drugs. Why do I say that? Because he threatened to call the cops, he didn't actually do it.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based only on what you wrote, it doesn't sound to me like your dad thinks you deserve to be in jail. It sounds like he was just trying to scare you out of using drugs. Why do I say that? Because he threatened to call the cops, he didn't actually do it.
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Well... I've concluded that since I can't really know, I'm just gonna close my heart off to others. Especially since there's countless ideological conflicts I can have with people that make many of those around me into enemies.
But I will acknowledge that my mind just works differently. I've always for some reason had a very difficult time connecting to others. I would make friends, move away, and feel nothing.
Maybe it's cause I changed schools a lot, but I've always had the ability to stay in one place for a long time and leave without missing people. I could know someone for 5 or 10 years, leave, and never even feel like calling thme
 
whateverdude said:
Well... I've concluded that since I can't really know, I'm just gonna close my heart off to others. Especially since there's countless ideological conflicts I can have with people that make many of those around me into enemies.
But I will acknowledge that my mind just works differently. I've always for some reason had a very difficult time connecting to others. I would make friends, move away, and feel nothing.
Maybe it's cause I changed schools a lot, but I've always had the ability to stay in one place for a long time and leave without missing people. I could know someone for 5 or 10 years, leave, and never even feel like calling thme
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Perhaps you have a difficult time connecting with people because of your rigidity and jumping to conclusions. Let's examine why your father said what he did, for example. Perhaps he was concerned about the potential for substance abuse, something that could go in a very negative direction. Perhaps he was concerned that you might end up getting arrested in another scenario. Perhaps he was concerned about having illegal substances in his house and how that could affect him. Perhaps, as was suggested already, he was trying to scare you into stopping. There are many possibilities as to why your father may have done what he did, but your reaction was "father is trying to stop me from using my drugs, so he's evil and I won't talk to him". That kind of rigidity and self-centeredness is not going to endear you to people very easily. Now, you might be perfectly OK with not connecting to people, and if so, then you can completely ignore what I just said. But if it DOES concern you, you might want to do a bit of self-examination as to the cause.
 
I am 36 years old and my addictions have lead me to prison several times, my father is still by my side and irritates me to this day (even though he lives a 100 miles away).

Take it from me, my dad irritates the hell out of me, but if he was gone tomorrow I would kick myself eternally. Food for thought. See how you feel in 10 years, if you are fortunate, you will still have a father around to reconcile with.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I am 36 years old and my addictions have lead me to prison several times, my father is still by my side and irritates me to this day (even though he lives a 100 miles away).

Take it from me, my dad irritates the hell out of me, but if he was gone tomorrow I would kick myself eternally. Food for thought. See how you feel in 10 years, if you are fortunate, you will still have a father around to reconcile with.
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And by the way, for GOD sake, DONT DO METHAMPHATMINES!
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based only on what you wrote, it doesn't sound to me like your dad thinks you deserve to be in jail. It sounds like he was just trying to scare you out of using drugs. Why do I say that? Because he threatened to call the cops, he didn't actually do it.
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Which just so happens to be a really dumb way to get a child to do what you want. That approach is far more likely to cause bad blood between the parent and child than it is to do anything effective. The child doesn't learn anything and they aren't provided a reason to really agree with you on the argument, but just left feeling threatened with what essentially amounts to violence if they don't do what the parent wants.
 
whateverdude said:
Well... I've concluded that since I can't really know, I'm just gonna close my heart off to others. Especially since there's countless ideological conflicts I can have with people that make many of those around me into enemies.
But I will acknowledge that my mind just works differently. I've always for some reason had a very difficult time connecting to others. I would make friends, move away, and feel nothing.
Maybe it's cause I changed schools a lot, but I've always had the ability to stay in one place for a long time and leave without missing people. I could know someone for 5 or 10 years, leave, and never even feel like calling thme
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Sounds like you're using politics as an excuse.

I'm pretty much the same in how I interact with other people (changed schools and cities a lot when I was growing up too). Even living in the same city as my father and most of his family, I've gone for years on end without seeing them. Last year I went to their Christmas get-together for the first time in eight years or so and met my seven year old cousin for the first time. I've often thought to myself that it would be so much easier to pretend that it was some big principled stance of anger or resentment, to pretend that somehow they were the bad ones, rather than mere apathy which makes me seem like the bad guy :lol: And you can find petty little differences of opinion with every single person you'll ever meet if you really want to, but it'll be a sad, bitter life to lead and probably a lot worse than confronting or (if that doesn't work) accepting your apathy.

Granted a marriage or other regular forced contact can strain relationships with folk we strenuously disagree with. Maybe moving out of home would work for you. But like others have said odds are your dad was just trying to do what he thought was best for you, and if you really think it's a big deal you can just not talk about it when you see him at Christmas. Odds are I'll muster up the enthusiasm to go to my family's Christmas this year too ;)
 
Crovax said:
I think you have the phrase confused. The blood in "blood is thicker than water" does not refer to family. In fact the phrase is often misused, the original saying is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", it it in fact means the opposite of what most people intend.
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I thought I was all up on biblical stuff like that :shock: Wikipedia lists references to the expected meaning back to the 12th century though: "The 13th-century Heidelberg manuscript reads in part, "ouch hoerich sagen, das suppebluot von wazzer niht verdirbet" (lines 265-266). In English we read, "I also hear it said, kin-blood is not spoiled by water."" And from a brief Googling I haven't been able to find any specific early references for the phrase you've used; the biblical comparisons aren't really close enough to justify any assumption, and a lot of the sources which 'debunk' the common meaning seem to think that your phrase has something to do with the blood of battle, which suggests they don't know either!
 
Henrin said:
Which just so happens to be a really dumb way to get a child to do what you want. That approach is far more likely to cause bad blood between the parent and child than it is to do anything effective. The child doesn't learn anything and they aren't provided a reason to really agree with you on the argument, but just left feeling threatened with what essentially amounts to violence if they don't do what the parent wants.
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Actually, that's not always true. Sometimes the child learns that there are consequences for their behavior regardless of where they do that behavior, or who witnesses it. Sometimes one can do something that will make another angry, even though what the individual does can ultimately assist the other person.

Oh, and there is no violence in this scenario. If one realizes that what they are doing breaks the law, one needs to be prepared that consequences can occur.
 
Mithrae said:
I thought I was all up on biblical stuff like that :shock: Wikipedia lists references to the expected meaning back to the 12th century though: "The 13th-century Heidelberg manuscript reads in part, "ouch hoerich sagen, das suppebluot von wazzer niht verdirbet" (lines 265-266). In English we read, "I also hear it said, kin-blood is not spoiled by water."" And from a brief Googling I haven't been able to find any specific early references for the phrase you've used; the biblical comparisons aren't really close enough to justify any assumption, and a lot of the sources which 'debunk' the common meaning seem to think that your phrase has something to do with the blood of battle, which suggests they don't know either!
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Yes it's amazing with the vast knowledge of the Internet that there are still some things we just don't know. I often do research on quotes and I find this to be somewhat common regarding them.
 
whateverdude said:
Part of me says... Yes.

I came to this conclusion naturally. However, I think I saw stefan molyneux support this notion.
What he said was pretty identical to my idea.

Essentially, if you're political differences involve the belief that "I" should not be given a right that I enjoy... Then we can't get along... Sorry, mom, dad, grandma, wife, girlfriend, aunt, cousin, sister, brother, etc...
If you think I deserve to be in prison over something I do. You're dead to me.

I went through something like this personally with my dad. It was a few years ago where he caught me doing drugs. Ever since that day I've been avoiding him.
I've had my head in my books, and I've been working on getting a job so I can move out
Because to be honest, I don't ever wanna see his face again in my life. I'm not just pissed off, this didn't happen last week. This was I think at least a year or two ago.
TBH, I would feel absolutely nothing if he died right now. And yes... This is 100% because he threatened to call the police over me doing drugs.... 100%.
Had that not happened, me and him would be cool.
However, I've chosen to do everything I can to avoid him and I've done so for a while. I speak in short, one word sentences. If I speak at all, it's just "Yea" "Sure" "uh huh"
I don't think he knows it, but I wouldn't even wanna be at his funeral.

But again, its not as simple as "We disagree on politics, therefore I hope you die"
It's more like, "You think I should be in jail for my choices, therefore, I really hope you ****ing die"

It's not as simple as "Trump vs. Clinton" or "Democrat vs. Republican"
America's Latest Social Crisis: Couples Call It Quits Over Trump | Zero Hedge

But for some it is... like this here woman who divorced her husband of 22 years over his support for Donald Trump.
Did she make the right decision?
I think so. More people ought to get divorced to show political loyalty

I'd say yes. IMO, if you're committed enough to feel disdain towards a different politic group. It should be equal for all people... That means if you dislike the old man down the street because he likes Trump, then you should hold that standard to your own family members as well.
Otherwise it's not really fair...
Oh? So I'm a piece of **** if I like Trump? But if your brother, sister or significant other likes Trump they get a pass?

**** it. Blood is not thicker than water. I would encourage anyone to end relationships over political turmoil.

If you're a practitioner of Judaism, and a relative decides to be a Neo-Nazi... Is it unreasonable to not want **** to do with them?
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One day, when you mature, you're gonna look back at everything you've said here and realize how pathetically moronic every single bit of it truly is.

There's an old saying that goes something like this:

"My parents used to be the dumbest people on the friggin' planet, but it's absolutely amazing how smart they got once I became an adult myself."
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whateverdude said:
Part of me says... Yes.

I came to this conclusion naturally. However, I think I saw stefan molyneux support this notion.
What he said was pretty identical to my idea.

Essentially, if you're political differences involve the belief that "I" should not be given a right that I enjoy... Then we can't get along... Sorry, mom, dad, grandma, wife, girlfriend, aunt, cousin, sister, brother, etc...
If you think I deserve to be in prison over something I do. You're dead to me.

I went through something like this personally with my dad. It was a few years ago where he caught me doing drugs. Ever since that day I've been avoiding him.
I've had my head in my books, and I've been working on getting a job so I can move out
Because to be honest, I don't ever wanna see his face again in my life. I'm not just pissed off, this didn't happen last week. This was I think at least a year or two ago.
TBH, I would feel absolutely nothing if he died right now. And yes... This is 100% because he threatened to call the police over me doing drugs.... 100%.
Had that not happened, me and him would be cool.
However, I've chosen to do everything I can to avoid him and I've done so for a while. I speak in short, one word sentences. If I speak at all, it's just "Yea" "Sure" "uh huh"
I don't think he knows it, but I wouldn't even wanna be at his funeral.

But again, its not as simple as "We disagree on politics, therefore I hope you die"
It's more like, "You think I should be in jail for my choices, therefore, I really hope you ****ing die"

It's not as simple as "Trump vs. Clinton" or "Democrat vs. Republican"
America's Latest Social Crisis: Couples Call It Quits Over Trump | Zero Hedge

But for some it is... like this here woman who divorced her husband of 22 years over his support for Donald Trump.
Did she make the right decision?
I think so. More people ought to get divorced to show political loyalty

I'd say yes. IMO, if you're committed enough to feel disdain towards a different politic group. It should be equal for all people... That means if you dislike the old man down the street because he likes Trump, then you should hold that standard to your own family members as well.
Otherwise it's not really fair...
Oh? So I'm a piece of **** if I like Trump? But if your brother, sister or significant other likes Trump they get a pass?

**** it. Blood is not thicker than water. I would encourage anyone to end relationships over political turmoil.

If you're a practitioner of Judaism, and a relative decides to be a Neo-Nazi... Is it unreasonable to not want **** to do with them?
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Your dad should call the cops. Have you arrested.

I don't think you will learn otherwise.



He should also kick you out ASAP.
 
whateverdude said:
Part of me says... Yes.

I came to this conclusion naturally. However, I think I saw stefan molyneux support this notion.
What he said was pretty identical to my idea.

Essentially, if you're political differences involve the belief that "I" should not be given a right that I enjoy... Then we can't get along... Sorry, mom, dad, grandma, wife, girlfriend, aunt, cousin, sister, brother, etc...
If you think I deserve to be in prison over something I do. You're dead to me.

I went through something like this personally with my dad. It was a few years ago where he caught me doing drugs. Ever since that day I've been avoiding him.
I've had my head in my books, and I've been working on getting a job so I can move out
Because to be honest, I don't ever wanna see his face again in my life. I'm not just pissed off, this didn't happen last week. This was I think at least a year or two ago.
TBH, I would feel absolutely nothing if he died right now. And yes... This is 100% because he threatened to call the police over me doing drugs.... 100%.
Had that not happened, me and him would be cool.
However, I've chosen to do everything I can to avoid him and I've done so for a while. I speak in short, one word sentences. If I speak at all, it's just "Yea" "Sure" "uh huh"
I don't think he knows it, but I wouldn't even wanna be at his funeral.

But again, its not as simple as "We disagree on politics, therefore I hope you die"
It's more like, "You think I should be in jail for my choices, therefore, I really hope you ****ing die"

It's not as simple as "Trump vs. Clinton" or "Democrat vs. Republican"
America's Latest Social Crisis: Couples Call It Quits Over Trump | Zero Hedge

But for some it is... like this here woman who divorced her husband of 22 years over his support for Donald Trump.
Did she make the right decision?
I think so. More people ought to get divorced to show political loyalty

I'd say yes. IMO, if you're committed enough to feel disdain towards a different politic group. It should be equal for all people... That means if you dislike the old man down the street because he likes Trump, then you should hold that standard to your own family members as well.
Otherwise it's not really fair...
Oh? So I'm a piece of **** if I like Trump? But if your brother, sister or significant other likes Trump they get a pass?

**** it. Blood is not thicker than water. I would encourage anyone to end relationships over political turmoil.

If you're a practitioner of Judaism, and a relative decides to be a Neo-Nazi... Is it unreasonable to not want **** to do with them?
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So choose to punish him by punishing yourself.

You have chosen a foolish, self destructive path, and that you do not think so will not save you from your fate. Then you will blame somebody else.

No need for me to reply to this OP again. It is pathologically so weak.
 
OP was tldnr, but as for the title, I can attest to several instances where political beliefs have spit families. My wife and her sister no longer talk anymore. They each consider the other to be extremist. In my family, I simply refuse to engage in political discussion with certain family members, my wife sometimes is at the top of that list. :)
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Hopefully, that is the extent of their meth exp.
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If that isn't enough then nothing is... seeing the meth dens from hell and what the hell meth is made from going into your body. Jeesh.
 
calamity said:
OP was tldnr, but as for the title, I can attest to several instances where political beliefs have spit families. My wife and her sister no longer talk anymore. They each consider the other to be extremist. In my family, I simply refuse to engage in political discussion with certain family members, my wife sometimes is at the top of that list. :)
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At Christmas my brother and I totally **** with our extreme right wing relatives... talking about how Obama was effective and how good his policies were/are. Not sure what we are going to do now. We act all serious and their mouths go agape in disbelief. As they start counter arguments we excuse ourselves for more food leaving them to argue with each other about Liberals... We laugh our asses off in the other room and go back in again. 8 years of ammunition gone. We will think of something because I couldn't care less if I ever saw any of them again... supreme rich assholes sitting there mocking minorities from their country club seats.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I have been 3 years clean, I spent 2 years with a needle in my arm. Crazyness.
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Glad to hear you are clean. Good on you. Stay that way. Life, as I am sure you are aware, is to short, to precious and to interesting to sit around in a stupor...
 
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