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Is Trump considering cuts to entitlement progams?

jimbo said:
Oh, those entitlements. Food stamps especially should be cut to the point they are no longer a way of life.

Medicare and SS are bought and paid for contractual government obligations.
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I agree on all points
 
Vetplus40 said:
Mycroft said:
"Trump considering cuts..." is kind of a dumbass thing to say.

Considering the plethora of totally dumbass comments that you make in defense of Trump, you referring to anybody else's post as "dumbass" is hilarious in and of itself.

That said, the President cannot do anything by himself legislation wise, yet we refer to many thing that a president wants to do as his "agenda". Trump can't actually fund a Mexican Wall on his own, yet it is considered his AGENDA. Such a "Trump lover" as yourself should know this.

Now, why don't you "noodle up" a bit and get back to ME when you have something intelligent to add.
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True. However what the president was elected by the people to accomplish carries over to congress. Also what party makes a big difference. When George H W tried to push NAFTA through the democrats blocked it. As soon as Clinton got in office they voted it in. Which proves the president can make laws happen as long as they are the same party as congress and it is what is wanted by the rich and powerful. Most people believe Bush got NAFTA passed but while he fought for it the democrats would have nothing to do with it until Clinton got in office. One word from Clinton and passes. It clearly shows how bias and 2 faced our representatives are.
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Mac77 said:
SSD is an unearned benefit - a welfare program that is earned
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1.)SSDI is a earned benefit because we all contribute payroll taxes to fund them. Workers "pay a tax of 0.9 percent of their wages up to $113,700, and their employers pay an equal amount. These tax contributions go into the Disability Insurance trust fund." https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ecurity-income-for-workers-with-disabilities/
2.)It does not matter if its a "earned" or "unearned" benefit. Its still a part of Social Security and is still be cut
3.)"SSD is an unearned benefit - a welfare program that is earned". That statement makes no sense and is contradictory.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
1.)SSDI is a earned benefit because we all contribute payroll taxes to fund them. Workers "pay a tax of 0.9 percent of their wages up to $113,700, and their employers pay an equal amount. These tax contributions go into the Disability Insurance trust fund." https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ecurity-income-for-workers-with-disabilities/
2.)It does not matter if its a "earned" or "unearned" benefit. Its still a part of Social Security and is still be cut
3.)"SSD is an unearned benefit - a welfare program that is earned". That statement makes no sense and is contradictory.
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In a previous post I already conceded that SSDI is funded by payrole taxes and goes only to workers who qualify

Still, it is rife with fraud and abuse and slowing the growth will force reform of the system and may ensure that more money goes to the truly disabled rather than just jazy bums who are tired of working
 
Mac77 said:
In a previous post I already conceded that SSDI is funded by payrole taxes and goes only to workers who qualify
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So its an earned benefit thus contradicting your statements in post #48 and #46.

Still, it is rife with fraud and abuse and slowing the growth will force reform of the system and may ensure that more money goes to the truly disabled rather than just jazy bums who are tired of working
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1.)You thinking its "rife with fraud and abuse" does not make it not part of social security.
2.)SSDI fraud is extremely rare.
"fraud constitutes less than 1% of the program’s outlays (and should have added that SSI is more likely to underpay than to overpay), and Vallas talked about how difficult it is to qualify for SSI, and that over 60% of applicants are turned down." All In Finishes Strong With Focus On Media Lies About Social Security Disability Income | Mediaite
"the Inspector General has indicated in reports that we have less than 1 percent fraud" https://www.congress.gov/113/chrg/shrg95582/CHRG-113shrg95582.htm
"SSA consistently monitors award decisions by the states’ Disability Determination Services and its own administrative law judges. Many of these reviews are conducted before any benefits are paid, thus ensuring that SSA keeps errors as low as possible. After beneficiaries become eligible, SSA routinely conducts reviews to ensure they remain medically eligible. SSA and its Office of Inspector General, along with law enforcement partners, also attack the rare cases of outright fraud, in which applicants or beneficiaries deliberately falsify information to get or keep undeserved benefits. DI overpayments average less than 1 percent of spending, and SSA works hard to recover improper payments." Trump?s Budget Director Gets Social Security Disability Insurance Wrong | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Moral of the story: SSDI is cut in Trumps proposed budget. SSDI is a part of Social Security. Thus, Trumps budget cuts social security.
 
Cut to the chase. A- the budget is Trump negotiating tactic. Not meant to pass, republicans won't buy it. B- he's a republican, as is Congress, meaning that their budgets will tend to shift resources and taxes to those at the top, cutting what ever benefits or tools those at the bottom. C- That's generally how they roll for years now, apparently tending to believe that the worthless "takers" need less, and the morally superior "makers" need more, that capitalism works perfectly, that welfare reform didn't already happen, that welfare for me, SS and Medicare are good (though ultimately regrettable), and welfare for you, food stamps and Medicaid, is bad. And even within the "good" SS, there is a bad part, disability benefits, which also go to slackers.

Finally, D- Their proposals would screw populations in many of the states they won, but they cannot help themselves. Sad.

The job for us on the left is to work the margins, i.e, volunteer to help those in need, highlight who benefits and who gets hurt, support efforts to combat fraud (it's our taxes too) and remember/hope that the arc of history generally bends (or zig-zags) in the correct direction.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So its an earned benefit thus contradicting your statements in post #48 and #46.


1.)You thinking its "rife with fraud and abuse" does not make it not part of social security.
2.)SSDI fraud is extremely rare.
"fraud constitutes less than 1% of the program’s outlays (and should have added that SSI is more likely to underpay than to overpay), and Vallas talked about how difficult it is to qualify for SSI, and that over 60% of applicants are turned down." All In Finishes Strong With Focus On Media Lies About Social Security Disability Income | Mediaite
"the Inspector General has indicated in reports that we have less than 1 percent fraud" https://www.congress.gov/113/chrg/shrg95582/CHRG-113shrg95582.htm
"SSA consistently monitors award decisions by the states’ Disability Determination Services and its own administrative law judges. Many of these reviews are conducted before any benefits are paid, thus ensuring that SSA keeps errors as low as possible. After beneficiaries become eligible, SSA routinely conducts reviews to ensure they remain medically eligible. SSA and its Office of Inspector General, along with law enforcement partners, also attack the rare cases of outright fraud, in which applicants or beneficiaries deliberately falsify information to get or keep undeserved benefits. DI overpayments average less than 1 percent of spending, and SSA works hard to recover improper payments." Trump?s Budget Director Gets Social Security Disability Insurance Wrong | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Moral of the story: SSDI is cut in Trumps proposed budget. SSDI is a part of Social Security. Thus, Trumps budget cuts social security.
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Yes.

I made a mistake and corrected it


As for fraud and abuse the Social Security Adminstration would be the lasdt to know according to the Inspectator Generals report

https://www.fedsmith.com/2014/09/14/ssdi-a-program-subject-to-abuse/


The report found that SSA lacks comprehensive record profiling systems for tracking an applicant’s record over time, leaving opportunities for fraud, and it also found that SSA lacks sufficient front-end fraud detection systems at the application stage due to dated and unintegrated systems.
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Vetplus40 said:
There are some hints floating around that Trump is considering cuts to entitlement programs. This will be very interesting to watch because one of the biggest campaign promises that Trump made was that there would be no cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

At this point, these are only rumors, but rumors in DC do have a habit of materializing. That said, we just need to sit back and see.
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It's not "only rumors." His budget proposal pretty blatantly does this. It's a fact that he wants to do this.
 
Deuce said:
It's not "only rumors." His budget proposal pretty blatantly does this. It's a fact that he wants to do this.
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SS will get as much money or more than it got this year

So there is no cut
 
Mac77 said:
SS will get as much money or more than it got this year

So there is no cut
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800 billion from Medicaid, 192 billion from nutritional assistance, 272 billion from welfare, 72 billion from disability benefits...
 
Deuce said:
800 billion from Medicaid, 192 billion from nutritional assistance, 272 billion from welfare, 72 billion from disability benefits...
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You mean SSDI will grow $72 bil less than expected
 
Mac77 said:
You mean SSDI will grow $72 bil less than expected
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Are you suggesting you don't believe the effective benefits will reduce?
 
Deuce said:
Are you suggesting you don't believe the effective benefits will reduce?
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For future applicants probably so.

I think think its necessary to get the budget under control
 
Mac77 said:
For future applicants probably so.

I think think its necessary to get the budget under control
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Ok, so we can dispense with the semantics then. Trump's budget will reduce benefits.

Now, maybe you think current Medicaid recipients will not be affected by some magic process, but is that really an acceptable outcome to you for future needy children?
 
Deuce said:
Ok, so we can dispense with the semantics then. Trump's budget will reduce benefits.

Now, maybe you think current Medicaid recipients will not be affected by some magic process, but is that really an acceptable outcome to you for future needy children?
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Well, yeah.

If that bothers you don't vote for trump in 2020
 
Deuce said:
Now, maybe you think current Medicaid recipients will not be affected by some magic process, but is that really an acceptable outcome to you for future needy children?
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Welfare programs cannot continue to expand year after year without bankrupting the welfare state.
 
Mac77 said:
Welfare programs cannot continue to expand year after year without bankrupting the welfare state.
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Population grows year after year, and the tax base with it.

There's no reason proportional growth of these programs would be unsustainable.
 
Deuce said:
Population grows year after year, and the tax base with it.

There's no reason proportional growth of these programs would be unsustainable.
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Welfare is not an entitlement that we have to give no matter what

I wish there were money trees growing along the Potamac but there's not
 
Mac77 said:
Welfare is not an entitlement that we have to give no matter what

I wish there were money trees growing along the Potamac but there's not
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Your argument has shifted from "it's unsustainable" to "I don't want to."

Well, I want to.
 
Vetplus40 said:
There are some hints floating around that Trump is considering cuts to entitlement programs. This will be very interesting to watch because one of the biggest campaign promises that Trump made was that there would be no cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

At this point, these are only rumors, but rumors in DC do have a habit of materializing. That said, we just need to sit back and see.
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His "promises" are worthless, the man has made an art out of lying. He also promised no cuts to Medicaid and his bill cuts $880 billion.

https://www.vox.com/2017/3/13/14914812/trump-ahca-medicaid-cuts
 
Mac77 said:
Well, yeah.

If that bothers you don't vote for trump in 2020
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So the children haters win until then? Trump won't last his full term and won't be on the ballot in 2020.
 
Mac77 said:
Welfare is not an entitlement that we have to give no matter what

I wish there were money trees growing along the Potamac but there's not
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There are plenty of money trees in Trump's DC but they are reserved for the wealthy.
 
Deuce said:
Your argument has shifted from "it's unsustainable" to "I don't want to."

Well, I want to.
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Ok

If you raise taxes about 50% on everyone then the wipe-every-nose welfare state is sustainable for a few years longer.

But sooner or later even then you won't have enough money without the cuts that liberals are avoiding now
 
Mac77 said:
Ok

If you raise taxes about 50% on everyone then the wipe-every-nose welfare state is sustainable for a few years longer.

But sooner or later even then you won't have enough money without the cuts that liberals are avoiding now
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Every system of universal healthcare on the planet costs less than the system we have now. Scenario: Your taxes go up $10,000, but you stop paying $12,000 in insurance premiums. You telling me that's "unsustainable?"
 
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