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Down goes General Lee[W:525]

Re: Down goes General Lee

It's complicated I'm not sure if it was you but somebody pointed out that Confederate officers served in the Spanish-American war and Confederate jurors served on the US Supreme Court after the Civil War

I think you were referring to this

Three former Confederate soldiers -- Col. Lucius Q. C. Lamar, SGM Horace H. Lurton and Lt. Edward D. White --
were appointed justices of the United States Supreme Court.

After the war, there were four former Confederate generals who served
as generals in the U.S. Army during the Spanish-American War.

Joseph Wheeler, a Confederate cavalry general in the Civil War, went on to serve as a major-general
during the Spanish-American war and forgetting himself in the heat of a battle yelled "Let's go, boys!
We've got the damn Yankees on the run again!".

Old Joe Wheeler was quite the guy!
 
The southerners circa 1860 did not agree with your assessment of Lincoln's motivations. And from the founding of the country until Lincoln, all but two--- maybe three if I'm forgetting somebody--- presidents were either southerners or people who basically were puppets to southern interests in their political party. That's historical fact bud.

You really need to educate yourself as your ignorance of this subject is embarrassing. The Union states numbered 18 while the Confederate States numbered 15 giving the Northern states control of the Senate. In addition the superior population of the Northern States gave them control of the Congress. The industrialization of the North gave it the money and power to dominate Washington and to dictate the political agenda's.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Interesting version of history that might even reach becoming a Turledove novel but it have almost zero connection to the real world or real history.


The post says nothing.

It is but a declaratory pronouncement, i.e., vacuous. A hit and run drive-by post from the CSA cheering section.

CSA statues, monuments and version of history would be laughable if they weren't full of 200 years of concentration camp slavery in the Plantation System. Then post bellum KKK and more still.

The statues and monuments praise and celebrate that. American conservatives love it. You've all got your heads up where the sun don't shine. We wish the Confederates didn't love losing so much. One would think they'd get tired of losing.

We over here are tired of winning. But it just keeps on going so we go with it.
 
Sure it does, you must wipe out all signs of opposing views and history in order to ensure effective indoctrination.


You have indoctrinated me thx.

Don't know how to thank you.

I'll figure a way then get back to you.
 
I am not sure where you have received your education, but wherever it was you have probably got legal recourse to sue them for damages. Lincoln did not give a damn about the slaves, and he said so publicly. And if you think the South was in control of the Federal Government then you do not know a damn thing about history.

" If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"


Abraham Lincoln


Lincoln in fact didn't do nuthin except get elected.

States of the CSA began seceding while Lincoln was Potus-Elect. More seceded after Lincoln took the oath of office.

Lincoln took no actions against the slave states. He issued no proclamations. He certainly didn't have time then to push any new legislation through Congress. Scotus neither did nor said anything in such a short time from the election to the inauguration and secession.

The states of the South went off willy nilly into their la-la land. Started firing cannon at Ft. Sumter in Charleston Harbor SC.

Lincoln's election alone made the states of the South balmy. They went nuts on their own, entirely and completely. War rah rah hip hip.
 
The funny thing about history, is that it is always written by the winning side, and is rarely accurate. The war had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with representation, trade, and States rights. You will never read this in one of your liberal history books but there was no love for the Negro's in the North either, and no one was willing to fight a war over them that's for damn sure.


The war was fought by the North to "preserve the Union" which was a monetary motive, not a moral one. The South wanted to secede because the trade policies of the North were costing them trade and hurting their ability to sell their goods at market price which was costing them a lot of money. When they could not find a fair resolution in government to resolve their issues they seceded.


While I reserve the option to argue your points, I do note the CSA started a war.

Why?

They'd hoped to gain some quick victories. Force the Union to sue for peace. Walk away with their slaves in place.

They didn't know their man Lincoln however. And it cost 'em dearly.

The only resolution fair to the CSA was the perpetuation of slavery in the Plantation System. Once Lincoln saw CSA would not ever relent he let 'em have it with both barrels.

End of.
 
While I reserve the option to argue your points, I do note the CSA started a war.

Why?

They'd hoped to gain some quick victories. Force the Union to sue for peace. Walk away with their slaves in place.

They didn't know their man Lincoln however. And it cost 'em dearly.

The only resolution fair to the CSA was the perpetuation of slavery in the Plantation System. Once Lincoln saw CSA would not ever relent he let 'em have it with both barrels.

End of.

Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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It's an old rouse of history for the wolf to complain to the lamb.

After SC seceded from the Union it fired on Ft. Sumter twice. First while Jas. Buchanan was still Potus and once more after Lincoln had taken the oath. So it strikes home here and everywhere else except to American Conservatives that the CSA started the Civil War twice. And that it took hold on the second try.

Our starting point might be to recall SC seceded in December 1860.

However, in November Potus Buchanan had sent a new commanding officer to the 150 Union harbor garrison, Major Rbt. Anderson. The day after Christmas the seceded government of SC ordered Major Anderson to abandon Ft. Sumter (which had been built in 1812). Anderson may have said 'nuts' or something like it. Regardless and for sure Anderson refused.

Because Major Anderson needed supplies Potus Buchanan sent a merchant ship full of provisions. SC militia fired cannon at the ship to force it back out to sea. Nobody seemed to mind very much, if at all. Save for the hungry and thirsty Union garrison inside the fort.

After Potus Lincoln was inaugurated March 4th he wuz informed of the predicament at Ft. Sumter. Facing his first test as Potus/CinC, Lincoln ordered several ships of USN to deliver provisions and supplies. SC was meanwhile demanding daily that Maj. Anderson surrender and leave town. The major pointed to the Union flag over Ft. Sumter.

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Bombardment of Fort Sumter, as depicted in a lithograph by Currier and Ives. Library of Congress/Wikimedia Commons/Public Domain


In the hours before dawn April 12, 1861 South Carolina militia opened a bombardment of Ft. Sumter. A serious bombardment. SC militia cannon were positioned at several points along the harbor to hit Sumter on its soft landward side as the post had been built to defend against attack from the sea and outer harbor. After dawn Union cannon returned fire. It went on for two dayze and nights interrupted by some rain.

Maj. Anderson had not had communication contact with the Union for several weeks. After two dayze with fires burning inside the fort, walls damaged and no supplies or munitions Major Anderson ran up the white flag. USN warships on standby and at some distance outside Charleston entered the harbor under the terms of surrender agreed by Maj. Anderson to collect the major and the garrison to sail back to New York. Neither side had sustained combat injuries.

Major Anderson and his garrison onboard the USN ships were welcomed to the city by a crowd the NYT estimated at 100,000. Soon after the major toured Union states recruiting men to arms. South Carolina was hailed by CSA for its bravery and initiative as CSA also went out recruiting new soldiers and sailors.

CSA had fired the first gun(s). The war was on. The wolf licked its chops.

American Conservatives of the vanquished CSA have since written their own history. It can be found in the fiction section of your local library. Or as statues and monuments in your local public park. Less so and less so in each instance however.
 
Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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so what you are saying lincoln wrote the articles of secession? bullcrap southern stupidity provoked the attack.
 
You really need to educate yourself as your ignorance of this subject is embarrassing. The Union states numbered 18 while the Confederate States numbered 15 giving the Northern states control of the Senate. In addition the superior population of the Northern States gave them control of the Congress. The industrialization of the North gave it the money and power to dominate Washington and to dictate the political agenda's.

But the presidents were almost all from southern states, and state loyalty was a lot more important for these people than it was in today's day and age. So they very carefully ignored northern interests in favor of southern interests. Additionally, the "money and power" situation wouldn't come along until many years later. You are glibly describing a state of affairs which wouldn't exist for at least another fifty years in a desperate attempt to deny what actually happened.

Oh, and coming from somebody who claimed the US "deserved 9/11" you have no room to accuse anybody else of ignorance.
 
Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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Forts are US government property. Lincoln was under no obligation to cede US property to a bunch of jumped up slavers who shot themselves in the foot through their own arrogance. Had they waited and negotiated when Lincoln called for volunteers the response would have been much......lessened. Instead, they decided to open fire on US government property and volunteers flocked to recruiting stations.
 
Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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Comedy gold!
 
your post is irrelevant to whats going on

Goes to the guy asking about book burning. It's alive and well. Wasn't to you.

Technically we all are. Some more than others.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Actually the ones that are arrogant are people like you trying to support monuments to slavery and to a traitorous government. The ones that were arrogant were the ones that put The Monuments up in the first place. Like I said your objections are just code for white nationalism
What momuments to slavery are you referring to?

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Nonsense as one of the first acts of the CSA was to send a committee to settle such issues as Fort Sumter with the north.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to meet with them and then Lincoln send out a merchant ship to resupply a fort that was completely surrounded with southern cannons in a southern harbor.

Lincoln provoked the attack not the south.

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American Conservatives who can't ever find a single good word to say about Abraham Lincoln have no trouble praising Vladimir Putin.
 
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