• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Down goes General Lee[W:525]

Re: Down goes General Lee

iguanaman said:
Really? You think the Civil war was "worth it" for anybody involved? It was a huge blunder that the south will always regret initiating.
Click to expand...

I think a country that desires to use violence to stop secession is worth rebelling against.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Tangmo said:
No reason for the winner of the war to remove the national monuments that are about much more than war.
Click to expand...

No reason for my Democratic Party to have any common sense when it comes to their Puritan tests in flyover country and the south!

Not even trump, McConnell and Ryan can save dimocrats from themselves in future elections .
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

NIMBY said:
No reason for my Democratic Party to have any common sense when it comes to their Puritan tests in flyover country and the south?

Not even trump, McConnell and Ryan can save dimocrats from themselves in future elections .
Click to expand...

We shall see in montana
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Henrin said:
I think a country that desires to use violence to stop secession is worth rebelling against.
Click to expand...
I think state govts that declare war, attack the Union, are committing treason and deserve to be destroyed.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Hawkeye10 said:
Boo. This was not done correctly. There should gave been a vote of the people.
Click to expand...

Whether they are in favor of slavery?

Do people really feel that way?
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Gimmesometruth said:
I think state govts that declare war, attack the Union, are committing treason and deserve to be destroyed.
Click to expand...

They only attacked when secession talks were not going to happen due to Lincoln's refusal to play ball. They weren't just going to stay nor were they just going to be cool with foreign forts from a likely aggressive nation in their territory, so yeah.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

NIMBY said:
My fellow Puritan Democrats might want to take out Washington and Jefferson from Mount Rushmore. And they wonder why they've become the archipelago regional party .
Click to expand...

Stop it NIMBY...no, they don't. Mt. Rushmore is national monument commemorating four of our greatest presidents. The confederate monuments are not national monuments and distort history by glorifiying traitors to the US. If you don't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you...except you're wrong.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

American conservatives love their Confederacy.

Regardless of whether they might live in it or not. It's just a conservative thing that's always been big among conservatives. Conservative philosophy makes itself almost completely consistent with the Confederacy. American conservatives have almost nothing good to say about the Union that won the Civil War.

American conservatives even try to worm their way around secession as being unacceptable to the Union of the states. American conservatives don't like to talk about the fact the war was about secession. As are the monuments and the memorials rightfully being removed which is yet another conservative last line of their defense of the Confederacy.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Tangmo said:
The Confederacy fired the first shot of the Civil War. We well recall Ft. Sumter in Charleston Harbor in SC. The Confederacy was already mobilizing for their war of secession. States there had already declared their secession. Potus Lincoln mobilized the Union armies after the first shot at Ft. Sumter.

The states of the South that organized and formed the Confederacy had pretty much finished talking. The talk had begun soon after the Constitution had been signed and ratified. The Confederate States of America had decided they'd talked long enough.

It was only when Lincoln was elected Potus that the states of the Union stopped listening. They had listened long enough. More than long enough.

.
Click to expand...

The south was more then willing to settle such questions as Fort Sumter peacefully and in order to do so sent to Washington a southern commission to settle such questions in a peaceful manner.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to talk to them and then slap them in the face by trying to resupply that fort under the very southern batteries facing the fort.

He in fact seems to wish the fort to be fired on as a rallying point for the north with little concern for the men in the fort or the unarmed ship send to resupply them for that matter,
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Unitedwestand13 said:
I have no problem with Washington and Jefferson being on Mount Rushmore
Click to expand...

Landrieu is a ****in pandering idiot and has put all southern democrats in office at risk, including his own DEM Gov. Bel Edwards. Edwards only won in 2015 because he ran against former Sen. 'Diapers' Vitter. Edwards will lose in 2019.

Russian bots and trolls are flooding the Internet, especially on liberal sites, sowing the seeds of discontent within the Democratic Party. If a Berniecrat won't come back by now, there's a good chance it's a Nixon GOP .
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

BillRM said:
The south was more then willing to settle such questions as Fort Sumter peacefully and in order to do so sent to Washington a southern commission to settle such questions in a peaceful manner.

Lincoln would not meet with them or allow anyone in his government to talk to them and then slap them in the face by trying to resupply that fort under the very southern batteries facing the fort.

He in fact seems to wish the fort to be fired on as a rallying point for the north with little concern for the men in the fort or the unarmed ship send to resupply them for that matter,
Click to expand...

Indeed. If Lincoln actually talked to them then the attacks by the south would have never happened and the war could have been avoided. The problem is that Lincoln wanted war and was purposely trying to edge them on to attack so he could have it. No country that is looking to secede would be happy with their prior country keeping forts in their country and none of them would likely allow it.

He knew full well that keeping men in Sumter was not advisable as his advisors were all telling him to get the men out of the fort, but he also knew that keeping them there would piss the south off and increase the chances they would respond the way he wanted.
 
Last edited:
Re: Down goes General Lee

BillRM said:
Nothing like bringing our morals standards back hundreds of years and judging our ancestors by those standards.

Too bad there is not a time machine that would allow us to go forward a few centuries to find out the reasons our future descendants will consider our heroes evil.
Click to expand...

Most of those confederate monuments didn't exist before Jim Crowe. So you don't need to back a hundred years...when there are still people alive today who lived through and remember the Jim Crowe era and why those monuments were put there.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

NIMBY said:
Landrieu is a ****in pandering idiot and has put all southern democrats in office at risk, including his own DEM Gov. Bel Edwards. Edwards only won in 2015 because he ran against former Sen. 'Diapers' Vitter. Edwards will lose in 2019.

Russian bots and trolls are flooding the Internet, especially on liberal sites, sowing the seeds of discontent within the Democratic Party. If a Berniecrat won't come back by now, there's a good chance it's a Nixon GOP .
Click to expand...

Just to clarify I said I don't mind that Jefferson and Washington are on Mount Rushmore.

I will add that the designer of Mount Rushmore chose the four presidents because of their contributions to expanding the nation and manifest destiny.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Moot said:
Stop it NIMBY...no, they don't. Mt. Rushmore is national monument commemorating four of our greatest presidents. The confederate monuments are not national monuments and distort history by glorifiying traitors to the US. If you don't understand the difference then I don't know what to tell you...except you're wrong.
Click to expand...

Not a chance for me to stop it Moot. I will continue to try to stop fellow Democrats from throwing away more elections, Moot. Do you enjoy your party being a regional archipelago because of the many stupid Puritan tests we have? Keep calling southerners names and see how many dimocrats they elect .
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Harshaw said:
Yes, there's very illegal human trafficking. Why do you think it's important to note this, especially in this context?
Click to expand...

History has repeated itself.
It has just changed forms.

What is worse is even at a federal level little is done about it.
For some reason people act like it ended.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Tigerace117 said:
But the people who ran the south did(the "elites" if you will) did, and when they said "jump" the masses were always in the air before they remembered to ask "how high".
Click to expand...

Yet the Underground Railroad was quite large. There were many people that worked inside the network.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Henrin said:
Indeed. If Lincoln actually talked to them then the attacks by the south would have never happened and the war could have been avoided. The problem is that Lincoln wanted war and was purposely trying to edge them on to attack so he could have it. No country that is looking to secede would be happy with their prior country keeping forts in their country and none of them would likely allow it and Lincoln knew it.
Click to expand...

Baloney. The North tried tried to compromise with South right up until the attack on Fort Sumter. They even offered a constitutional amendment to keep slavery in the slave states....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crittenden_Compromise
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

shrubnose said:
Read a little history.The South lost the Civil War and it will never rise again.

Deal with it.

:lol:
Click to expand...

Has nothing to do with my post
Non sequitur.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Moot said:
Baloney. The North tried tried to compromise with South right up until the attack on Fort Sumter. They even offered a constitutional amendment to keep slavery in the slave states....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crittenden_Compromise
Click to expand...

They wanted to secede. The idea that they were going to still be interested in resolving problems with the north at that point is absurd.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Henrin said:
They only attacked when secession talks were not going to happen due to Lincoln's refusal to play ball. They weren't just going to stay nor were they just going to be cool with foreign forts from a likely aggressive nation in their territory, so yeah.
Click to expand...
"Secession talks"? You mean the Confederate states conspiring among themselves to attack the Union....and then did so? Again, a foreign govt bent on attacking the Union deserved to be destroyed. It's funny watching a libertarian defending a confederacy whose essential character was slavery.
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

ludin said:
Nope just pointing out that monuments exist for a variety of reasons.
Click to expand...

BS. You were ignorantly using that monument as a "look over there!"
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Henrin said:
They only attacked when secession talks were not going to happen ...
Click to expand...
Henrin said:
They wanted to secede. The idea that they were going to still be interested in resolving problems with the north at that point is absurd.
Click to expand...
So why try to argue that they had any intention to not go to war to protect their essential character?
 
Re: Down goes General Lee

Unitedwestand13 said:
We shall see in montana
Click to expand...

We should have won the Mayoral contest in Omaha; it fell apart because of multiple DEM Puritan issues in a more mod/con city; smooth move there huh?

I've given to Montana DEM Rob Quist twice--how about the rest of the shallow all talk no action dims on this thread?

Montana Voter suppression by the GOP, in this case with a refusal to go to mail in ballots that would have saved 750k and has been proven to hurt DEMs;

We also now have data mining showing that gerrymandering at the SD and HD levels hurts federal DEMs.

corporate millions thanks to citizens divided 1.0/2.0 will sink Quist; dirty laundry which came from the Bush v. Gore USSC thanks to Nader;

The GOP candidate is a rich New Jersey move in who will benefit greatly from trumpcare.

We'll see if sending the socialist Sanders up there will help or hurt .
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom