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Down goes General Lee[W:525]

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Tanngrisnir said:
I'm not doing that. These are related to you.

Keep pretending.
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Please read the following..

Non sequitur - Definition for English-Language Learners from Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

: a statement that is not connected in a logical or clear way to anything said before it
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I said nothing about any sort of view referring to the support of treason and traitors. You once again made a post with the intent to personally attack me, but this time just so happened to commit a fallacy in the process.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
I wouldn't go that far.
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I spoke in general. There are always a few that just go with the flow of whatever outrage appeals to them. But plenty of them want to believe "the South will rise again" and they see this as an opportunity to spew that crap via "doomed to repeat it". They wish. It's practically a dog whistle.

But this whole nonsense of history being erased/forgotten, "THIS IS LIKE THE TALIBAN!" just shows intellectual laziness and obstinate refusal to think in anything other than steel trap, black and white terms.
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It's flat idiotic to pretend any history is being erased or that this history will repeat.
 
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Lee was a great general just like Jackson. While they might have been confederates their military genius should be recognized.
This is stupid.

We still have a monument to Arnold while a traitor he was one of the main causes of a lot of victories.
He was a great leader for his part and should be recognized for that.

Lee kicked the crap out of the union army for a long time.
Given the resources he had and the lack of men.
 
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ecofarm said:
Anyone who learns history from glorified and inaccurate monuments is too stupid to care about. There are plenty of history classes in public school. No one is going to forget what the Confederacy stood for (slavery) just because we no longer glorify that garbage.

As the governor noted, the monuments are like burning a cross in everyone's yard.
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Tanngrisnir said:
History is not be erased. Nothing, whatsoever, is being forgotten.

Nothing is being changed other than the removal of monuments/statues.

False equivalencies do not a rational argument make.
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Redress said:
There is a large, unsubtle difference between taking down a monument, and forgetting history...
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That's right fella's. I'm just a dumbass southern redneck racist country ****er that doesn't understand because I was indoctrinated by racists and I should sit happily by and keep my uppity mouth shut while all the smart folks erase all physical markers of a major portion of our history.

So sorry, I'll go back in my corner now and shut the **** up like a good little ignorant boy.

(read what I actually said en toto, not as separate pieces to be slayed like slugs with salt while you laugh)
 
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ecofarm said:
I spoke in general. There are always a few that just go with the flow of whatever outrage appeals to them. But plenty of them want to believe "the South will rise again" and they see this as an opportunity to spew that crap via "doomed to repeat it". They wish. It's practically a dog whistle.



It's flat idiotic to pretend any history is being erased or that this history will repeat.
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Umm slavery still exists.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That's right fella's. I'm just a dumbass southern redneck racist country ****er that doesn't understand because I was indoctrinated by racists and I should sit happily by and keep my uppity mouth shut while all the smart folks erase all physical markers of a major portion of our history.

So sorry, I'll go back in my corner now and shut the **** up like a good little ignorant boy.

(read what I actually said en toto, not as separate pieces to be slayed like slugs with salt while you laugh)
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:2bigcry:
 
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ludin said:
Umm slavery still exists.
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Umm, everyone knows that. Who do you think you're talking to, 4 year olds?

The South is not going to re-institute slavery and secede, even if these inaccurate glorifications of the Confederacy were the only history we had.
 
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Hopefully they will eventually relocate it to a museum or something. That's really where they belong.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Taliban, ISIS and Progressives. So afraid of the past that they try to destroy any 'pagan idols' of history, from actual history, that aren't of their preapproved design conforming to their dreams of their forced cultural compliance of the masses. Viva tyranny.

But, hey. What do I know?

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The comparison here is a little extreme, because ISIS literally destroys monuments that pre-date Islamic civilization. This statue here however, is being stored and relocated somewhere else.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Hopefully they will eventually relocate it to a museum or something. That's really where they belong.
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Sounds like an excellent compromise. Its more fun to be outraged on either side though. i was watching the history channel I think and there was a piece on one of the old soviet block countries. They moved a bunch of statues and art to an out door museum where you could relive the communist past. Pretty cool actually from a historical perspective.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Hopefully they will eventually relocate it to a museum or something. That's really where they belong.
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From the article:

The monuments will be stored then relocated, city officials have said.
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Edit: I see, in your post above, you noticed that.
 
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ecofarm said:
For too long we glorified the Confederacy. Good riddance.
New Orleans removes Gen. Robert E. Lee statue - CNN.com
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Democrats are doomed to remain a regional party in this Nation with this kind of election idiocy. I gave Landrieu more credit than I should have. He's history in LA.

Democrats will remain an archipelago of high-density DEM cities that are unconnected; with zero connection to the south and flyover country.

This kind of stupidity is why GOPs are wiping DEM asses up one side and down the other. The GOPs southern strategy from Nixon continues to win .
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That's right fella's. I'm just a dumbass southern redneck racist country ****er that doesn't understand because I was indoctrinated by racists and I should sit happily by and keep my uppity mouth shut while all the smart folks erase all physical markers of a major portion of our history.
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I never even remotely indicated that, fella, so spare me the strawman.
So sorry, I'll go back in my corner now and shut the **** up like a good little ignorant boy.
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More emotion-based bull**** that was never implied.
(read what I actually said en toto, not as separate pieces to be slayed like slugs with salt while you laugh)
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Read it. No history is being forgotten or erased.

Please try again.
 
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NIMBY said:
Democrats are doomed to remain a regional party in this Nation with this kind of election idiocy. I gave Landrieu more credit than I should have. He's history in LA.

Democrats will remain an archipelago of high-density DEM cities that are unconnected; with zero connection to the south and flyover country.

This kind of stupidity is why GOPs are wiping DEM asses up one side and down the other. The GOPs southern strategy from Nixon continues to win .
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Except all those times where it didn't.
 
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ecofarm said:
Umm, everyone knows that. Who do you think you're talking to, 4 year olds?

The South is not going to re-institute slavery and secede, even if these inaccurate glorifications of the Confederacy were the only history we had.
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Again there is still slavery in the US.
If you think it has gone away you are mistaken.

I don't see any glorification going on.

They are figures in American history that should be rrecognized cognized.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
I wouldn't go that far. I don't think that's what Beaudreaux meant.

But this whole nonsense of history being erased/forgotten, "THIS IS LIKE THE TALIBAN!" just shows intellectual laziness and obstinate refusal to think in anything other than steel trap, black and white terms.
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That is actually what the taliban, isis and al quaeda literally did though, they tried to tear down monuments and destroy historical artifacts that did not agree with their interperatation of history.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Thanks. I already read that.

I said I hope they relocate it to a museum or something.
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My bad. I noticed your post above mine after I posted, and edited to note.

I wonder if it will be a museum, something outdoors or just less of a 'place of honor' somewhere in the city. I hope not just moved to somewhere else in the city; that seems unlikely.
 
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Slingshot Bob said:
This is what happens when liberals get control.
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Oh bull****. I often go as liberal as any, and would've let the statue remain for historical significance.

Maybe the problem isn't with those of us that support freedom and liberty, but rather it's with those that support political correctness.
 
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Fritz said:
HEY, I consider myself "liberal" and I would never have condoned the removal of Lee's statue. It has historical merit. I'm a history buff. I'm sad now. People who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.
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Which is why all of these Confederate monuments should be placed in musems.
 
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Chomsky said:
Oh bull****. I often go as liberal as any, and would've let the statue remain for historical significance.

Maybe the problem isn't with those of us that support freedom and liberty, but rather it's with those that support political correctness.
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Lol PC is a liberal creation!
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Taliban, ISIS and Progressives. So afraid of the past that they try to destroy any 'pagan idols' of history, from actual history, that aren't of their preapproved design conforming to their dreams of their forced cultural compliance of the masses. Viva tyranny.

But, hey. What do I know?

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It's not about erasing history, it's about putting it in the proper context. Put these statues in a museum, not the freaking town square.
 
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ludin said:
Again there is still slavery in the US.
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Here we go... "blacks are naturally slaves they just live on the Dem party plantation now". As if blacks are incapable of voting in their interest, they're just fooled unlike the smart white people.

Spare us that racist crap.
 
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