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What if the investigations don't pan out?

Lutherf

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Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
 
What if Trump has a heart attack and dies this year?
Who will be your Daddy then?
 
Maybe you haven't caught onto the pattern. Trump is a fundamentally unstable person, and a buffoon to boot.

The bombshells, the self-inflicted wounds, the chaos--none of it's going to stop. Not as long as he's around.

He'll always find a new way to screw up. He's literally days away from deliberately blowing up the nation's insurance markets as we speak.

President Donald Trump has told advisers he wants to end payments of key Obamacare subsidies, a move that could send the health law's insurance markets into a tailspin, according to several sources familiar with the conversations.

Many advisers oppose the move because they worry it will backfire politically if people lose their insurance or see huge premium spikes and blame the White House, the sources said. Trump has said that the bold move could force Congressional Democrats to the table to negotiate an Obamacare replacement. . .

Many senior administration officials, including Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, are leery of ending the payments, however, because it could immediately unravel the Obamacare insurance markets and strongly discourage insurers from participating next year. Insurance companies in many states would be allowed to pull out of the Obamacare markets, which in many states already have scant competition.
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RickJames3000 said:
What if Trump has a heart attack and dies this year?
Who will be your Daddy then?
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Yeah. There's actually a whole bunch of Constitutional stuff regarding how that works.:doh
 
12 months from now is, imo, somwewhat optimistic at this rate........
 
Greenbeard said:
Maybe you haven't caught onto the pattern. Trump is a fundamentally unstable person, and a buffoon to boot.

The bombshells, the self-inflicted wounds, the chaos--none of it's going to stop. Not as long as he's around.

He'll always find a new way to screw up. He's literally days away from deliberately blowing up the nation's insurance markets as we speak.
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So you're not even going to entertain the idea that all these investigations won't turn anything up? OK. If they don't turn anything up by this time next year then how much longer should they be allowed to continue without finding a crime? Does the 4th Amendment even really apply to Trump?
 
Lutherf said:
So you're not even going to entertain the idea that all these investigations won't turn anything up?
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I just did. Conclusion: we'll still have plenty to talk about if his treason goes unpunished.
 
Lutherf said:
So you're not even going to entertain the idea that all these investigations won't turn anything up? OK. If they don't turn anything up by this time next year then how much longer should they be allowed to continue without finding a crime? Does the 4th Amendment even really apply to Trump?
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Okay, I will bite: There could be absolutely nothing that comes from the investigation, but Trump certainly isn't helping himself out.

Anybody, and I mean anybody with an ounce of common sense, would have NOT invited Russian diplomats into the Oval Office for a meeting - giving the ongoing issue with Russian interference in our elections. The fact that Trump invited the two Russians at Putin's request, just makes matters worse.

I will say this again: TRUMP is TRUMP's own worst enemy.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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If

If pigs had wings they'd fly
 
Lutherf said:
So you're not even going to entertain the idea that all these investigations won't turn anything up? OK. If they don't turn anything up by this time next year then how much longer should they be allowed to continue without finding a crime? Does the 4th Amendment even really apply to Trump?
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Previous SC's (actually SP's then) dragged on for years. I don't know why this one would be any different.
This is going to be a drag on the Trump admin regardless of what happens.

If there is no smoking gun, it's not going to change the public perception very much. Those who hate him will continue doing so. Those who support him or are willing to give him a chance will keep right on doing so.

If something substantial is found to give the GOP cover for jettisoning him, they will in a heartbeat.

Meanwhile, if the Democrats don't offer viable alternatives and proposals that create enthusiasm for their candidates in 2018 (beyond anti-Trump activity), they will continue to flounder.
 
Greenbeard said:
I just did. Conclusion: we'll still have plenty to talk about if his treason goes unpunished.
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So what you're saying is if no evidence of a crime is uncovered then Trump is still guilty of treason.

Has it occurred to you that the kind of thinking you exhibit is a big part of why Hillary lost?
 
Lutherf said:
So you're not even going to entertain the idea that all these investigations won't turn anything up?
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I think wingers like yerself have that market saturated. I wouldn't call it entertaining though.
 
Lutherf said:
So what you're saying is if no evidence of a crime is uncovered then Trump is still guilty of treason.

Has it occurred to you that the kind of thinking you exhibit is a big part of why Hillary lost?
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Good question, how many things do you think Hillary is guilty of after tons of investigations found nothing?
 
KevinKohler said:
So you've already decided that he's guilty.
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I'm sympathetic to the argument that he's simply too stupid to actually be responsible for his actions or the actions of those working under him. The halfwit passed state secrets on to the Russians last week apparently by accident.

Whether he can bear guilt given his circumstance is a philosophical question.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Fling poo

It is the new American Standard

Obama had being a non natural born citizen thrown at him for 8 years. Clinton a BJ, Bush had many things but mostly Iraq. Trump can have being a Russian president
 
Truckstop said:
Good question, how many things do you think Hillary is guilty of after tons of investigations found nothing?
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Well, the Hillary investigations DID find stuff. She DID lie about the reason the embassy in Benghazi was attacked. She DID keep classified emails on a private server. The head of the FBI admitted that she committed a crime but he opted not to recommend prosecution because he figured she was either too stupid or too incompetent to have intended to commit the crimes.

Keep this in mind too, the Clinton Foundation was never fully investigated but the CGI folded like a cheap suit as soon as Hillary lost.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Impossible, this is Trump we are talking about, and all they need to impeach him is him saying the "wrong" words, and they get to decide what is wrong, and they get to decided what quality of evidence they need.
 
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Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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I don't care if anything doesn't turn up. I'd just like to get to the bottom of this mess already.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Circumstances depending,
I guess it will be very, very sad around Democrat's headquarters.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't care if anything doesn't turn up. I'd just like to get to the bottom of this mess already.
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That is about what is really important at this point. The general yammering is highly destructive and it is high time we move on.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't care if anything doesn't turn up. I'd just like to get to the bottom of this mess already.
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That's the problem, kiddo. At this point there's nothing to get to the bottom of. The Democrats and NeverTrumpers are merely fishing around with the hope that they find something damning.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Regardless of all of what you said, if Trump's approval rating is hovering around 40% as it is now, chances are even without a major issue the Democrats will take back the house. The first midterm has historically been a referendum on the president. In fact every president since FDR has lost seats in the House with the lone exception of G.W. Bush. He had 9-11 happen which postponed his first midterm to his second.

Here's what happened in the president's first midterm election:

Obama lost 63 seats in 2010
Bush gained 8 seats in 2002 But lost 33 seats in 2006
Clinton lost 54 seats in 1994
Bush lost 8 seats in 1990
Reagan lost 26 seats in 1982
Carter lost 15 seats in 1978
Nixon lost 12 seats in 1970
LBJ lost 47 seats in 1966
JFK lost 22 seats in 1962
Eisenhower lost 18 seats in 1954
Truman lost 28 seats in 1950
FDR gained 11 seats in 1934.

Here's what happened in a midterm election where a president approval rating was at 45% or below.

1974 Ford 42% Minus 5 senate Minus 48 House seats
1982 Reagan 43% Plus 1 senate Minus 26 House seats
1994 Clinton 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 54 House seats
2006 Bush II 37% Minus 6 senate Minus 33 House seats
2010 Obama 45% Minus 6 senate Minus 63 House seats
2014 Obama 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 13 House seats

What about an approval rating of 50% plus?
1970 Nixon 58% Minus 2 senate Plus 12 House seats
1990 Bush I 54% Minus 1 senate Minus 8 House seats
1998 Clinton 66% Senate no change Plus 3 House seats

Bottom line is if a president, any president has an approval rating of 45% or below that not only means the opposing party dislikes what he is doing, but also independents. It's hard to hang on to the seats one party has when both the opposing party and independents are against you.
 
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