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What if the investigations don't pan out?

Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Myself, I would say if they don't pan out they don't pan out. Move on.

Is this a place where we should compare to Hillary, though? She got investigation after investigation after investigation. Be careful with the precedents you (generic 'you') set. Dems set up the "nuclear option" for court confirmations and got bit in the butt with their own tactic. Reps did investigations on Hillary ad nauseum, and now they have their own precedent to potentially deal with. Hey, what goes around comes around, but unfortunately too many politicians and their supporters think only of today.

Personally, I have recently come to realize that I want an investigation and I want Trump to be called to testify under oath. I have confidence that he WILL perjure himself (he can't help himself) and we already have the precedent of impeachment over perjury... thanks to the Republicans.

Maybe politicians would do well to think ahead. Don't do anything that you don't want done to you in the future.
 
Lutherf said:
Well, the Hillary investigations DID find stuff. She DID lie about the reason the embassy in Benghazi was attacked. She DID keep classified emails on a private server. The head of the FBI admitted that she committed a crime but he opted not to recommend prosecution because he figured she was either too stupid or too incompetent to have intended to commit the crimes.

Keep this in mind too, the Clinton Foundation was never fully investigated but the CGI folded like a cheap suit as soon as Hillary lost.
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I agree they did find stuff. And I feel that she should have been prosecuted. But that was a political decision to not do so. It was wrong to not do so, but it is not a justification to not prosecute others for their wrongdoing. By that standard we should even have laws or prosecute anybody for anything. No, we should hold the people in power more accountable. Why did we re-elect the people who should have prosecuted Hillary, but didn't?
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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Your post gets to the heart of why it's silly to put all the eggs into the Russia basket. There also needs to be another independent investigation into emoluments violations.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Previous SC's (actually SP's then) dragged on for years. I don't know why this one would be any different.
This is going to be a drag on the Trump admin regardless of what happens.

If there is no smoking gun, it's not going to change the public perception very much. Those who hate him will continue doing so. Those who support him or are willing to give him a chance will keep right on doing so.

If something substantial is found to give the GOP cover for jettisoning him, they will in a heartbeat.

Meanwhile, if the Democrats don't offer viable alternatives and proposals that create enthusiasm for their candidates in 2018 (beyond anti-Trump activity), they will continue to flounder.
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The democrats want the leaks, the drip, drip of innuendo. The last thing they want is a wrap up, with Trump not criminalized.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the problem, kiddo. At this point there's nothing to get to the bottom of. The Democrats and NeverTrumpers are merely fishing around with the hope that they find something damning.
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How do you know that? Just because you haven't been personally handed smoking gun evidence within a couple months? Sometimes investigations take time to uncover deeply hidden truths. Same for politics as it is for murder, white collar crime, and pretty much any type of crime.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Since when do we need evidence to end a witch hunt by burning someone at the stake. If enough people shout burn the witch that is all we need. We are a democracy and the rights of the individual be damned.
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That's right.

LOCK HER UP!!!

Oh, wait...
 
radcen said:
That's right.

LOCK HER UP!!!

Oh, wait...
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Never happen. Just look at how George H W Bush and Bill Clinton covered for each other. Party hatred is all a guise of the rich and powerful. They come together to make sure nobody from either party pays for what they have done.

Here is a picture of the 2 laughing about how they got out of the savings and loan scandals.

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Here is a picture of them enjoying the money they made from the savings and loan scandal.

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JamesBY said:
The investigation is about the Trump campaign and its collusion with Russians.

Sideshows will not be tolerated by Mueller.
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If in the process of investigating the issue of his mandate, Mueller comes across evidence of other crimes, committed by other people, he is required by LAW to report it to the prosecuting authorities.

He will not go out of his way to seek it, being a professional, but given the nature of the invesitgation, it is extremely likely that he will come across evidence of other wrongdoing, from a host of other actors in D.C.

It is highly likely that eventually somebody in the Obama administration will turn up, doing something illegal, in Mueller's Investigative efforts.

Just so you know...

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At such time that the investigation is concluded, we accept the finding, deal with the aftermath and move on. Just like we did with previous investigations.
 
Kurmugeon said:
If in the process of investigating the issue of his mandate, Mueller comes across evidence of other crimes, committed by other people, he is required by LAW to report it to the prosecuting authorities.

He will not go out of his way to seek it, being a professional, but given the nature of the invesitgation, it is extremely likely that he will come across evidence of other wrongdoing, from a host of other actors in D.C.

It is highly likely that eventually somebody in the Obama administration will turn up, doing something illegal, in Mueller's Investigative efforts.

Just so you know...

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Muller might be really butt hurt that his prescious FBI's reputation is somewhere between the Clinton Foundation and The Weiner's phone habits, and he may just keep going once he gets done with Trump. Remember, The NY Times got leaked classified FISA unmasked phone conversations.
 
chuckiechan said:
Muller might be really butt hurt that his prescious FBI's reputation is somewhere between the Clinton Foundation and The Weiner's phone habits, and he may just keep going once he gets done with Trump. Remember, The NY Times got leaked classified FISA unmasked phone conversations.
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From everything I've read about Muller, he is the total professional. Going by what I've read, I find such a scenario unlikely.

But these are strange times.

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Kurmugeon said:
If in the process of investigating the issue of his mandate, Mueller comes across evidence of other crimes, committed by other people, he is required by LAW to report it to the prosecuting authorities.

He will not go out of his way to seek it, being a professional, but given the nature of the invesitgation, it is extremely likely that he will come across evidence of other wrongdoing, from a host of other actors in D.C.

It is highly likely that eventually somebody in the Obama administration will turn up, doing something illegal, in Mueller's Investigative efforts.

Just so you know...

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You are hoping so, yes.
 
JamesBY said:
You are hoping so, yes.
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It doesn't really matter. There is not enough public support behind the idea of Impeaching Obama and holding him accountable for his crimes, at this point, to do anything with additional information of Obama crimes.

Now, if the fools who are trying to get Trump Impeached and Removed were to actually succeed and Galvanize public support to act, things might change rapidly.

But in such a situation, all of the needed information to prosecute Obama and Hillary for crimes that would put them in prison for the rest of their lives is already known, so any added Muller information would not really be needed.

It is not lack of information on crimes which is keeping Obama and Hillary from being prosecuted and held accountable.

It is lack of public support. It is Politics.

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Kurmugeon said:
It doesn't really matter. There is not enough public support behind the idea of Impeaching Obama and holding him accountable for his crimes, at this point, to do anything with additional information of Obama crimes.

Now, if the fools who are trying to get Trump Impeached and Removed were to actually succeed and Galvanize public support to act, things might change rapidly.

But in such a situation, all of the needed information to prosecute Obama and Hillary for crimes that would put them in prison for the rest of their lives is already known, so any added Muller information would not really be needed.

It is not lack of information on crimes which is keeping Obama and Hillary from being prosecuted and held accountable.

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Obama and Clinton are old news, both finished as political threats to the GOP.

Since Trump is a growing threat to the GOP and the entire nation, action will continue against him.
 
JamesBY said:
Obama and Clinton are old news, both finished as political threats to the GOP.

Since Trump is a growing threat to the GOP and the entire nation, action will continue against him.
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No, Trump is a growing threat to the DNC. The nation is in good hands.
 
chuckiechan said:
No, Trump is a growing threat to the DNC. The nation is in good hands.
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Pounding on Trump, trying to get him impeached and removed is a fool's errand.

It is like pounding with a hammer on a landmine.

If it didn't go off on the first blow, it is safe-pinned, or defective, and you got lucky.

If you keep pounding on it, and eventually something happens, it won't be good.

The Lefties believe they want Trump Impeached and Removed...

They have not thought through what happens next and next and next.

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Kurmugeon said:
Pounding on Trump, trying to get him impeached and removed is a fool's errand.

It is like pounding with a hammer on a landmine.

If it didn't go off on the first blow, it is safe-pinned, or defective, and you got lucky.

If you keep pounding on it, and eventually something happens, it won't be good.

The Lefties believe they want Trump Impeached and Removed...

They have not thought through what happens next and next and next.

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I think they have.
They already have built the narrative they needed and will be hammering it through next year and the 2 years following.
 
Truckstop said:
Good question, how many things do you think Hillary is guilty of after tons of investigations found nothing?
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Found nothing?

Where have you been?

The investigation found plenty, but she wasn't prosecuted on what they found by the choice of Comey.

That is not the same as she did nothing wrong nor that they found nothing in the investigation.
 
bubbabgone said:
I think they have.
They already have built the narrative they needed and will be hammering it through next year and the 2 years following.
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So they throw Obama and Hillary both under the bus, sending them to prison, and unifying the opposition to their agenda like it has never been...

For what?

I don't think they understand that they're pounding on a landmine.


They see what they're doing is getting them lots of attention, and like the class-clown, or the village idiot, they believe that lots of attention is the end goal.

I've said for years, the Far-Lefties are good at fomenting riot, assault and arson, but they cannot GOVERN!


Just look at the outcomes of BLM!

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Vetplus40 said:
At such time that the investigation is concluded, we accept the finding, deal with the aftermath and move on. Just like we did with previous investigations.
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I seriously doubt that.

The call will be for more investigations as no evidence was found, yet, or that there is a cover up for some such reason.
 
Lutherf said:
Let's say we get to May, 2018 and the special prosecutor hasn't come up with anything to impeach Trump? What if the various House and Senate investigations still haven't found an actual crime? What if the DOW is at 23,000, unemployment is at 3.8% and wages are increasing? If that's where we are a year from now, with a midterm election just heating up and no actual albatross to hang around Trump's neck what will the Democrats and Never Trumpers going to do?

Will we see John McCain stumping for Democrats? What will the Democrat theme be? Will the Russian Conspiracy stuff still have enough legs to put a few more Democrat seats in the House? If congress and a special prosecutor can't come up with solid dirt on Trump by this time next year should they revert to a platform based on policy or should they just keep flinging poo around the room?
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I don't think you'll ever see John McCain stumping for the Democrats.

It'll all depend on Trump. If he can turn things around, shut his mouth, and do his job, it may turn out well for the ol' GOP. But even if the investigations turn up nothing, if Trump carries on as he does, it may still be a tough row to hoe. People are getting tired of his embarrassments.
 
Kurmugeon said:
So they throw Obama and Hillary both under the bus, sending them to prison, and unifying the opposition to their agenda like it has never been...

For what?

I don't think they understand that they're pounding on a landmine.


They see what they're doing is getting them lots of attention, and like the class-clown, or the village idiot, they believe that lots of attention is the end goal.

I've said for years, the Far-Lefties are good at fomenting riot, assault and arson, but they cannot GOVERN!


Just look at the outcomes of BLM!

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Yes. They're getting lots of attention.
But in the process they've also built the theme they intend to run on in '18 and '20.
Some may be inclined to wonder how that could have much of a lasting impact if nothing is proven.
If so, you may be overlooking one factor.
They will still have their theme to hammer and the same allies to hammer it.
It's a huge advantage when your ideological allies have taken control of, for example, media and education systems.
 
No citizen committed to American values, liberties, and traditions agrees with the Alt Right.

And it is not true that anyone's "ideological allies have taken control of, for example, media and education systems."
 
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Ikari said:
I don't think you'll ever see John McCain stumping for the Democrats.

It'll all depend on Trump. If he can turn things around, shut his mouth, and do his job, it may turn out well for the ol' GOP. But even if the investigations turn up nothing, if Trump carries on as he does, it may still be a tough row to hoe. People are getting tired of his embarrassments.
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Trump is the single greatest embarrassment in America since Jared the Subway guy.
 
bubbabgone said:
Yes. They're getting lots of attention.
But in the process they've also built the theme they intend to run on in '18 and '20.
Some may be inclined to wonder how that could have much of a lasting impact if nothing is proven.
If so, you may be overlooking one factor.
They will still have their theme to hammer and the same allies to hammer it.
It's a huge advantage when your ideological allies have taken control of, for example, media and education systems.
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I am of and listen/talk extensively to the working class whites, the single largest voter demographic group, and I can assure you, the voters who left Hillary to vote for Trump, will NOT buy into this theme.

This theme will piss them off and unite them like nothing ever seen in this country.

In their zeal to destroy the person who defeated their very poor, and Corrupt, candidate, Hillary, they will put Pence, a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, into power with an extremely United Working White power base behind him.

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