WW3 and Why We Needed a Sane Leader

calamity said:

It's easy to criticize Obama's actions without presenting any alternative solutions. So, what other than boots on the ground in all those places would you propose? Funny hearing you all knock Obama, considering the complete idiot you gave us as a replacement.

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I pretty much covered it in post #22, considering your post was #23 I would have thought you were at least keeping up to the minimal extent of (one) post.

BTW, Doubling down on a deflection sort of makes the person doing it look very dishonest and desperate.

woodsman said:

Putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best is not rational, we can see the proof of that in the ME. Not engaging with China to reel in Krazy Kim is also not rational we can see the escalation there.

If the US ever chooses to go full on isolationist, hell, that works for me but I would suggest learning how to be a prepper. Until then, I expect whomever is in charge of foreign policy to use the strength of our nation on the diplomatic front, financial and trade leverage front and as a last resort our military. This trident atop a big stick needs to be used with authority and with seriousness.

This was not the case with the feckless fools that recently vacated the WH.

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Did Trump already resign?

woodsman said:

I pretty much covered it in post #22, considering your post was #23 I would have thought you were at least keeping up to the minimal extent of (one) post.

BTW, Doubling down on a deflection sort of makes the person doing it look very dishonest and desperate.

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The Obama admin bet big on the Arab Spring. They abetted in the pushing out of Mubarak, and they took limited military action in Libya to ensure the ousting of Qaddafi. They had similar plans for Assad. That play seemed like a good gamble. But, in hindsight, we see it was a mistake--just like we see now that the Bush admin invading Iraq was a huge a mistake. It happens.

You learned nothing from Bush's mistakes and only want to focus on Obama's. Gee, why am I not surprised?

calamity said:

The Obama admin bet big on the Arab Spring. They abetted in the pushing out of Mubarak, and they took limited military action in Libya to ensure the ousting of Qaddafi. They had similar plans for Assad. That play seemed like a good gamble. But, in hindsight, we see it was a mistake--just like we see now that the Bush admin invading Iraq was a huge a mistake. It happens.

You learned nothing from Bush's mistakes and only want to focus on Obama's. Gee, why am I not surprised?

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So you are chastising me for bringing up an administration that is five months out but you pull Bush into it, hahahahah

woodsman said:

So you are chastising me for bringing up an administration that is five months out but you pull Bush into it, hahahahah

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What, did time start in 2009?

calamity said:

Sucks when it comes back. Doesn't it?

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She needs to go away. The people have spoken twice. I did not care for Bush Jr but at least he had the decency to go away and let the people we elected do their job. Hillary is not only a loser but a hateful loser who would rather bring this country down than except the fact she lost. She is destroying the democratic party single handily. I predict even more people will come to the poles just to make sure she and the democrats lose no matter who is running. She is the evil monster in the movies that just keeps coming back and reeking more carnage.

But getting back to the thread it is hateful people like her that I fear will start WW3. She will not stop until she gets even or destroys everything.

calamity said:

What, did time start in 2009?

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You seem to think it started in 2001with Bush as an excuse for the feckless fools in charge from 2009 to 2017. Hey, why don’t you objectively take a look at the list in your OP and ponder what was done.

woodsman said:

You seem to think it started in 2001with Bush as an excuse for the feckless fools in charge from 2009 to 2017. Hey, why don’t you objectively take a look at the list in your OP and ponder what was done.

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There is nothing to be "done," certainly not done by us. But, it does help to have an adult in the White House who won't just throw fuel on the fire. Sheesh.