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Trump’s Protective Republican Wall in Congress Cracks

Perotista said:
Now for independents. At the end of January 40% approved of the job Trump was doing, 34% disapproved while 26% answered not sure or undecided. Today independents give Trump a 36% approval, down four points. Independents who disapprove is at 48%, a whopping 22 point rise while 15% still aren't sure or undecided. It is this group of the electorate which according to Gallup now make up 44% of the electorate that is beginning to cause House and senate Republicans some concern.
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Nice post. You and I think in similar terms.. as far as polling, which demographics decide elections, and what the polling means for the midterms. I've long said when Trump loses the Independents, it will be curtains for his presidency.. and he's doing everything in his power to alienate them and piss them off.
 
radcen said:
I totally get why Trump appealed in some respects. He's not the same old corrupt politician. I totally get that. *I* want that. I just feel he's a corrupt person in general, and on that level we haven't really changed anything. He wasn't the guy to do this with.
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As would most sane people. Whether Trump is corrupt or not, I'm not certain, but I won't criticize someone who thinks he is. I think it's more the case that we really don't know for sure. Yes, some things in his past are less than always being admirable, but who's isn't? The White Washed politician who's covered any such things up?

"He wasn't the guy to do this with"
There weren't a multitude of choices left after the primary was run.

I also wish we had extended this rejection of the status quo to Congress and kicked a bunch of them out, as well.
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Yeah, that's a seeming disconnect there, but IIRC, everyone hates everyone else's congressmen or Senators, but not their own.

At the end of the day, regardless how much they get from lobbyists, they still need us to pull the proverbial lever and vote for them. For that reason I firmly believe that real change can only come from Congress, and that they will only start paying attention to what we actually want when their re-election rate gets down to about 50%. They need to know that they could very well be out the door. They need to know that their jobs are guaranteed.
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The present party population of WH, Senate and Congress is the result of the frustration with all of the above by the electorate. Should such a population not deliver what the electorate expects, I'd anticipate a more radical population, perhaps more Freedom Caucus? Who knows.
 
Winston said:
Nice post. You and I think in similar terms.. as far as polling, which demographics decide elections, and what the polling means for the midterms. I've long said when Trump loses the Independents, it will be curtains for his presidency.. and he's doing everything in his power to alienate them and piss them off.
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Pretty much. A few days ago I went looking at the House of Representatives. To see who was at risk and who wasn't. Being this far out, it means little for next year's midterms. But it gives us an idea of where things stand. I try to do that once a month for my Perotista forecasts which I begin near the end of the year or the beginning of the next. I found 40 House Republican seats in what I would call the at risk column compared to 20 for the Democrats. Round numbers. Factor in Trump's approval numbers, which party independents favor or have the most favorable view of, the PVI, I would say if the election was held today, the Democrats would gain 20 seats give or take a few one way or the other. They need 24 to retake the house.

I would rate today's odds slightly less than 50-50 on the Democrats retaking the House. But all of this is dynamic and change all the time. The election isn't today. But if Trump continues to lose independents, you can be sure Republican house members are watching those numbers very closely, they will become more and more independent of Trump and begin to distance themselves from him. Self preservation wins every time when it comes to loyalty for a president, any president.
 
American said:
I'll bet you were saying the same thing during the last administration, weren't you?
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Yes. And the same with Clinton.



I'm tired of seeing people of power having a different set of rules to abide by.
 
radcen said:
Claims of "fake news" does not necessarily make it so. It's become to where everything that is not glowing in support is labeled as "fake". Spare me. "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" may be a fable, but there's a serious message in there, and Trump and his supporters would do well to take heed of that message.
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As would the Dems. There have been enough fake news to cause anyone to be suspect of stories that come out. They should take heed as well.


edit: wrote before I read you other post. my bad!
 
reinoe said:
Actually, the MSM is determined to make any minor mistake into a mountain.
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Minor little boo boos like giving top secret Israeli intelligence to the Russians for no goddamned reason.
 
reinoe said:
Gave information to Russians...
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Reinoe, I think that's not the real issue. The real issue is why Trump creates so many scandals, can't hire staff, can't get real legislation done, can't tell the truth, can't coordinate his message, tweets, etc., it's a crisis of confidence most of us with the president.

Republicans beat HRC, that's maybe not even a bad thing for 4 years, but with Trump?! It's a disaster for the nation, it's an insult to every hard working professional in the world. Put someone in there who will champion the issues of immigration and hating on muslims, but just let them be COMPETENT to hold that office.

The nation lost this round, Rs and Ds, and everyone in between. The sooner we end it the sooner we can begin to heal.
 
Perotista said:
Or a lawyer, they have more trust and a better image than anyone or anything in Washington.
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In all fairness, its almost a given that who ever they run will be a lawyer. Probably 90% of politicians are lawyers.
 
Mach said:
Reinoe, I think that's not the real issue. The real issue is why Trump creates so many scandals, can't hire staff, can't get real legislation done, can't tell the truth, can't coordinate his message, tweets, etc., it's a crisis of confidence most of us with the president.

Republicans beat HRC, that's maybe not even a bad thing for 4 years, but with Trump?! It's a disaster for the nation, it's an insult to every hard working professional in the world. Put someone in there who will champion the issues of immigration and hating on muslims, but just let them be COMPETENT to hold that office.

The nation lost this round, Rs and Ds, and everyone in between. The sooner we end it the sooner we can begin to heal.
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Why is it the president's responsibility to "get legislation done"? You're like the 6th liberals who think Trump is a God-Emperor and is single-handedly in control of the government. No wonder you guys keep losing races...you don't know how the government works. Trump doesn't write laws. Trump can only sign legislation that reaches his desk.

If you have a problem with Trump winning the presidency then stop nominating people like Hillary. Good lord, she's so awful she literally had to cheat to beat Bernie Sanders. That should have been a wake-up call.
 
reinoe said:
Trump doesn't write laws. Trump can only sign legislation that reaches his desk.
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Who claimed Trump writes laws? If you think all the president does is "sign legislation that reaches his desk", then you should have run for Trump's VP. You'd both get nothing done, together.

In the real world reinoe, the President is the leader of the party that elected them, and they use the bully pulpit, momentum from the election, their hopefully broad support during their presidential honeymoon, to help move politicians in the direction they want it to go. Among other things. Trump's not doing it, because he has no idea how, and no support, and he's a walking scandal machine.

If you have a problem with Trump winning the presidency then stop nominating people like Hillary. Good lord, she's so awful she literally had to cheat to beat Bernie Sanders. That should have been a wake-up call.
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Well, that's true. I think people underestimated how much she was hated. Trump's just not that guy, and it is depressing to look at the Republican ticket, all schmuck politicians...it would be nice to have more outsiders. I get that. But Obama for all the R hatred...he was a reasonable, no drama kind of guy. Just give us a reasonable, no drama R that gets your agenda done...pretty please :)
 
Mach said:
Who claimed Trump writes laws? If you think all the president does is "sign legislation that reaches his desk", then you should have run for Trump's VP. You'd both get nothing done, together.

In the real world reinoe, the President is the leader of the party that elected them, and they use the bully pulpit, momentum from the election, their hopefully broad support during their presidential honeymoon, to help move politicians in the direction they want it to go. Among other things. Trump's not doing it, because he has no idea how, and no support, and he's a walking scandal machine.


Well, that's true. I think people underestimated how much she was hated. Trump's just not that guy, and it is depressing to look at the Republican ticket, all schmuck politicians...it would be nice to have more outsiders. I get that. But Obama for all the R hatred...he was a reasonable, no drama kind of guy. Just give us a reasonable, no drama R that gets your agenda done...pretty please :)
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The types of people you want can't break through the establishment without some miracle. Bernie Sander, Trump.

Without Trump, JEB Bush would have eating everyone's lunch by simply outmatching everyone else with Money.

Bernie Sanders had the same trajectory as Trump but the DNC literally cheated him out of a fair shot. And he was the only person to even try to challenge Hillary's anointment.

Gary Johnson lost his mind under the media spotlight and the Green party is not credible without all 50 state access.

So for all the people hating on Trump, I would point out that a credible "change" candidate only comes around once every 25 years or so. Ross Perot had a legit shot but he bungled his campaign by quitting because people said mean things to him and then re-starting his race. I can't even remember who was the credible change candidate in the 70's. So Trump isn't perfect, but you do what you have to do to get the establishment politicians out. That's why I really don't care how bad people say Trump is: business as usual in politics needs to stop and it needs to stop now.

Who are the Dems going to nominate next? Tom Perez? The establishment hack who literally got a last minute bump in the polls by bragging about how he cheated Bernie Sanders? Chelsea Clinton, a person who has shown literally 0 talent at everything she's done just like her mother? The DNC has nothing to offer the American people except race baiting and establishment status quo.

And on your final point...I don't care how "reasonable" Obama sounded. He expanded unnecessary war, literally armed and trained terrorists in the M.E., expanded eavesdropping on the American people to never before seen levels, and did everything in his power to help the big WALL STREET BANKS. I'll take rough around the edges Trump over the smile to your face/stab you in the back Obama any day of the week.
 
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Absentglare said:
Looks like the republicans in congress may be ready to turn over a new leaf:



Trump?s Protective Republican Wall In Congress Cracks

We deserve to clear the air around our new president. We deserve to know whether there's more to this story. We deserve to have confidence in our government and that can only happen if the proper checks and balances are utilized.
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If it turns out that this story was not based on anything riable or crediable what deserves to happen to those that manufactured it?

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trouble13 said:
If it turns out that this story was not based on anything riable or crediable what deserves to happen to those that manufactured it?

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I don't know, what punishment do you want to issue to all those who lied about Hillary?
 
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