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CNN Bernie Sanders and John Kasich: On Now!

Another lame misdirection away from trump to Sen. Sander's wife. Imagine your outrage, Bucky, if a Sanders supporter went after Mrs. trump .

So, you have no problem for voting for a President whose wife could be in jail the rest of her life?

I mean, Mrs. Sanders is Bernie's bookkeeper. This has FRAUD written all over it.
 
So, you have no problem for voting for a President whose wife could be in jail the rest of her life?

I mean, Mrs. Sanders is Bernie's bookkeeper. This has FRAUD written all over it.

deflection away from the steaming pile of trump with no link
 
So, you have no problem for voting for a President whose wife could be in jail the rest of her life?

I mean, Mrs. Sanders is Bernie's bookkeeper. This has FRAUD written all over it.

Don't you slander Jane Sanders with accusations that came to a conclusion years ago. Way to be as combative and divisive as possible.. You're not even worth my time.
 
It's okay for GOPs to attack Bernie's wife .

Not to mention he backs a guy who just a couple months ago had to shell a "get out of jail" fine for his private university scam.
 
It's okay for GOPs to attack Bernie's wife .

You have to admit, don't you find it ironic that Sander's wife is being investigated for bank fraud?
 
Not to mention he backs a guy who just a couple months ago had to shell a "get out of jail" fine for his private university scam.

It's incredible McConnell and Ryan don't see that no legislation will get through with trump .
 
You have to admit, don't you find it ironic that Sander's wife is being investigated for bank fraud?

I don't find it unusual that a trump deflector is now attacking Sen. Sander's wife after trump gave up Israeli Intel to Russia after firing Comey for multiple felonies .
 
I don't find it unusual that a trump deflector is now attacking Sen. Sander's wife after trump gave up Israeli Intel to Russia after firing Comey for multiple felonies .

Contrary to the fake news media, Trump has been a very good president. Sure he has a learning curve (the last president didn't learn anything after 8 years) but Trump has done a good job.

I'm a big numbers guy. All you have to look at is the economy, the market, unemployment, economic growth. All have been steady. Trump's tax plan is what we need. Get out of the way and let Trump do his job.
 
Contrary to the fake news media, Trump has been a very good president. Sure he has a learning curve (the last president didn't learn anything after 8 years) but Trump has done a good job.

I'm a big numbers guy. All you have to look at is the economy, the market, unemployment, economic growth. All have been steady. Trump's tax plan is what we need. Get out of the way and let Trump do his job.

The economy has already started to head into the toilet with trump's daily scandals .
 
The economy has already started to head into the toilet with trump's daily scandals .

You must be living in denial because the economy has been great.
 
lmao..

he said, something along the lines of "sometimes the presdient makes statements that don't agree with the facts."

Kasich is better than your average Republican politician from a character standpoint, but he isn't quite ready to alienate the Republican base by "calling out" Trump just yet. Trump's support will need to fall a bit more before that happens.

I believe that in laymen's terms, saying something false is called "lying".
 
Not to mention he backs a guy who just a couple months ago had to shell a "get out of jail" fine for his private university scam.

Trump isn't a "scammer". He just presents investors with "alternative facts" about what they are actually investing in, and then takes their money.
 
I agree, they would've tried to smear but, I think you can push back against them.. and their arguments grounded in the right wing glass house of hyperbole falls apart.

Here is all you need, a direct quote from Bernie Sanders on what he wanted to do with electric companies, "public ownership of the private electric companies without compensation to the banks and wealthy individuals who own them."
 
Here is all you need, a direct quote from Bernie Sanders on what he wanted to do with electric companies, "public ownership of the private electric companies without compensation to the banks and wealthy individuals who own them."

Where & When did he say that?
 
1976 in the Bennington Banner while running for governor of Vermont

Bennington Banner from Bennington, Vermont on September 23, 1976 · Page 6

It's too outdated to be an effective smear. I did a fair bit of volunteering for the Bernie campaign last year. The most far reaching smear on Bernie, one that I encountered frequently.. was HRC's camp smearing him for his voting in favor of the gun manufacturers in the Sandy Hook shooting. They smeared him as weak on guns, and I talked with many, many voters who raised that concern.
 
lmao..

he said, something along the lines of "sometimes the presdient makes statements that don't agree with the facts."

Kasich needs to nut up and call Trump out, call for a special prosecutor, looks like he's not ready to do that.. and I view that as the Republican party using Kasich as a medium, to tell the country, neither are they.

I caught five mins of this and this is the part I caught. Was very disappointed when Kasich did that. As he used to be one of the most anti-Trump people. Sanders tows the democratic party talking points well, ever since he sold out last year. So he's had more practice than Kasich.
 
I caught five mins of this and this is the part I caught. Was very disappointed when Kasich did that. As he used to be one of the most anti-Trump people. Sanders tows the democratic party talking points well, ever since he sold out last year. So he's had more practice than Kasich.

Disagree.

If that were true, he wouldn't be saying **** like this, which caused outrage amongst the Dem establishment.

Bernie Sanders Comments on the Failures of Establishment Democrats | Observer

If that were true, you wouldn't have hit pieces from pro-establishment voices like this coming out:

Democrats divide on Bernie’s 2020 plans - POLITICO



If that were true, pro-establishment Dem posters on this forum wouldn't be nearly as routinely critical, dismissive and derisive of the man as they are.

Which talking points is he towing? The whole unity bit is the only one that comes to mind.
 
Disagree.

If that were true, he wouldn't be saying **** like this, which caused outrage amongst the Dem establishment.

Bernie Sanders Comments on the Failures of Establishment Democrats | Observer

If that were true, you wouldn't have hit pieces from pro-establishment voices like this coming out:

Democrats divide on Bernie’s 2020 plans - POLITICO



If that were true, pro-establishment Dem posters on this forum wouldn't be nearly as routinely critical, dismissive and derisive of the man as they are.

Which talking points is he towing? The whole unity bit is the only one that comes to mind.


The man is full of hypocrisies I am not discounting that. Number one being that he does not register as a democrat. He flipped on a number of his campaign pledges as soon as he dropped out of the race and started doing the media circuit to try to repair the damage in the party. The fact that democrats are mad at Bernie for hesitating whether to say whether or not he wants to run in 2020 isn't a hit piece. As Obama took a vacation, Bernie has been a loud and proud democrat. He is still more active and more representative of the base than Obama ever was.

Bernie is a talking head and that is what the party needs right now, Obama is going to become another Carter and the party doesn't need another philanthropist.
 
The man is full of hypocrisies I am not discounting that. Number one being that he does not register as a democrat. He flipped on a number of his campaign pledges as soon as he dropped out of the race and started doing the media circuit to try to repair the damage in the party. The fact that democrats are mad at Bernie for hesitating whether to say whether or not he wants to run in 2020 isn't a hit piece. As Obama took a vacation, Bernie has been a loud and proud democrat. He is still more active and more representative of the base than Obama ever was.

Bernie is a talking head and that is what the party needs right now, Obama is going to become another Carter and the party doesn't need another philanthropist.

Actually, given the tone, double standards and content of the article, yeah, I'd call it very much a hit piece; the video I linked gets into it with more detail into explicitly how it qualifies as one. I can find more examples once I'm no longer at work.

Second, what hypocrisies? Why is failing to register as a Democrat a hypocrisy? How is picking the lesser poison, while acting to reform it, to avoid the greater one a hypocrisy? It's pretty obvious that in a two party system where power for the foreseeable future will only ever really be delegated between said parties, you've got to pick a side if you want a seat at the table and enact policy, even if you have violent disagreements with yours which he very much does.

Third, Bernie has always had reservations and misgivings about the Dem party, and these persist to this day. He does not consider himself a democrat, and explicitly refuses the label when asked, while also vocalizing criticisms against it. Bernie sees the Democratic party as a problematic institution to be reformed, but also the only viable vehicle for progressive policy; it's not that hard to figure out where he's coming from.

Also, you've failed to identify the Dem talking points Bernie is hashing out; again the unity bit is perhaps the one and only thing that really fits this criterion (which I'm sure he views as a necessary evil to defeat the greater one of the GOP).
 
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Actually, given the tone, double standards and content of the article, yeah, I'd call it very much a hit piece; the video I linked gets into it with more detail into explicitly how it qualifies as one. I can find more examples once I'm no longer at work.

Second, what hypocrisies? Why is failing to register as a Democrat a hypocrisy? How is picking the lesser poison, while acting to reform it, to avoid the greater one a hypocrisy? It's pretty obvious that in a two party system where power for the foreseeable future will only ever really be delegated between said parties, you've got to pick a side if you want a seat at the table and enact policy, even if you have violent disagreements with yours which he very much does.

Third, Bernie has always had reservations and misgivings about the Dem party, and these persist to this day. He does not consider himself a democrat, and explicitly refuses the label when asked, while also vocalizing criticisms against it. Bernie sees the Democratic party as a problematic institution to be reformed, but also the only viable vehicle for progressive policy; it's not that hard to figure out where he's coming from.

Also, you've failed to identify the Dem talking points Bernie is hashing out; again the unity bit is perhaps the one and only thing that really fits this criterion (which I'm sure he views as a necessary evil to defeat the greater one of the GOP).

anybody who tows the party line without actually registering for said party is not worth listening to in my book.
A party that fails to find one common person to lead them, that isn't a member of that party is also not worth listening to in my book.

This is the current state of both political parties. On one hand you have a lying con man who is under so many investigations that he has lost count, and never really believed in any of the things he was running on. In the other, you have no leaders but whining TV show hosts on the other side who spend their days relentlessly bashing Trump who deserves every punchline that gets thrown at him. Kasich and Sanders are two people who can at least have a discussion on the issues, but they are only one leg to stand on and that leg has very problematic issues. This was not the best fight and definitely not the fight to repair political discourse in this country. At least, it's a start.
 
anybody who tows the party line without actually registering for said party is not worth listening to in my book.
A party that fails to find one common person to lead them, that isn't a member of that party is also not worth listening to in my book.

This is the current state of both political parties. On one hand you have a lying con man who is under so many investigations that he has lost count, and never really believed in any of the things he was running on. In the other, you have no leaders but whining TV show hosts on the other side who spend their days relentlessly bashing Trump who deserves every punchline that gets thrown at him. Kasich and Sanders are two people who can at least have a discussion on the issues, but they are only one leg to stand on and that leg has very problematic issues. This was not the best fight and definitely not the fight to repair political discourse in this country. At least, it's a start.

Again, what party line is he towing?

Sanders has continued to be true to his beliefs in contradiction to mainstream Democratic views (for example, his stance on singlepayer and other core stances vs Perez's pathetic waffling).

Further, the Dem party certainly does have its leaders; right now the dust has yet to settle over who will set the agenda as anyone who's been following the Dem party, and not drinking the 'unity' koolaide would know.
 
Again, what party line is he towing?

Sanders has continued to be true to his beliefs in contradiction to mainstream Democratic views (for example, his stance on singlepayer and other core stances vs Perez's pathetic waffling).

Further, the Dem party certainly does have its leaders; right now the dust has yet to settle over who will set the agenda as anyone who's been following the Dem party, and not drinking the 'unity' koolaide would know.

Bernie sanders has not introduced the single-payer healthcare bill he was promising. He can talk all he wants, but he is a different man than the man who we saw battling Clinton. He is a clamped down party controlled talking head now. I don't know why you can't see it, but I saw that with the two men last night by what little I saw.

Sure they have their convictions, but Sanders is a calmer version of himself and Kasich really defended Trump at one point for lying.
 
Bernie sanders has not introduced the single-payer healthcare bill he was promising. He can talk all he wants, but he is a different man than the man who we saw battling Clinton. He is a clamped down party controlled talking head now. I don't know why you can't see it, but I saw that with the two men last night by what little I saw.

Sure they have their convictions, but Sanders is a calmer version of himself and Kasich really defended Trump at one point for lying.

I don't know why you think there's anywhere close to sufficient evidence of him being a party controlled party head, especially with all the constant hand wringing the Clinton/pro-corporate/establishment wing has been doing over Sanders' popularity and mounting influence (carefully tempered of course, by their desire to walk the tightrope and keep Sanders and his supporters, now more than half the party base, onside). Hell, you even had some of their wingnuts go so far as to decry his debate with Kasich as creating divisions and disunity, and being an unnecessary distraction from the 'resistance'; in otherwords, they don't like the leader of the Dem's internal opposition getting even more exposure and repute. Meanwhile, loyal footsoldiers to the establishment continue to agonize about how he's not actually a Democrat, and how he's doing more harm than good. Again, if you were actually following the civil war in the Dem party, you'd understand all this; it's a thin veneer of unity and a mutual reluctant tolerance of the opposition overlaying a sea of discontent and upheaval; another example: https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...soff-abortion-progressive-heath-mello/523770/

Sanders may be calmer and more laid back vis a vis his prior self in 2016 but that probably has a lot more to do with the fact that he's not on the campaign trail than puppetry to the DNC. That he hasn't yet introduced an SP bill is hardly proof positive or smoking gun of his subversion, particularly given the scope and complexity of such a piece of legislation, and the stakes involved (if it's a rushed POS, you can only imagine how the Repubs, and his Dem opposition will run with it).
 
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