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we have a president who has no qualms about being treasonous to get elected

Deuce said:
The basis for your treason accusation is the alleged leaking of secrets to the Russians.

So, what secrets and how do you know? That would really help out the nation if we could have proof enough to oust the guy. So quit holding out on us, dude.
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Good God More mental marvels. The news on this is everywhere in the world and it tell you what the great secret is. Try to keep up. They have explained everything except they names of the country and people who gave that information toAmerica but scum bag told them but the media won't sell out these people. By the way the word is traitor since comment 12.
 
jbander said:
Good God More mental marvels. The news on this is everywhere in the world and it tell you what the great secret is. Try to keep up. They have explained everything except they names of the country and people who gave that information toAmerica but scum bag told them but the media won't sell out these people. By the way the word is traitor since comment 12.
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Word games to be a traitor means you have to have committed treason.

Benedict Arnold comes to mind. That would be a treasonous act.

Other than you simply have a hatred of trump you once again fail to list anything that would be considered treasonous.
 
God I pity you people as the hate world that you love and made is collapsing around you, you liked that everyone was speaking the same hatred that was you and You liked the control. and you wanted to bludgeon with hatred all your enemies and your watching your world collapse and your comments are nothing after more nothing, the super strong responses of I don't like you and you are dumb. Brilliant people. Scum bag is toast. Here you go, you can respond with "Ya Clinton is toast" or maybe go after my bad spelling, just trying to help.
 
jbander said:
The Right is starting to hide behind endless excuses . The people who are guilty of this disaster are the people who elected this mental midget.
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The man is so over his head that I am beginning to almost feeling sorry for the fool.

God help us all and the rest of the world for that matter if we have any kind of a major crisis while he is in the Whitehouse.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Still waiting for the proof.
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Sadly I think you are going to get all the proof in the world and then what, as I do not think his personality will allow him to pack up and go silently away like Nixon.

Lord I feel for the man as I do not think he is evil just very stupid and completely out of his depth.
 
jbander said:
Nonsense, There was two strong candidates for the democrats. but The hate party lies aligned with the Russian lies is the difference. There are just to many people in this country who are motivated by hate and were sold by the hate that came from the right, in fact they doubled down on the super hate that came from president scum bag. The people who are to blame as I said before are the haters that voted for him. Your voice is just another no think vote that was controlled by the lies of the right and Russia and you still believe it. There is no comparison between Clinton and scum bag. Only in your mind. And with that I would ask you to look into the bull**** about Clinton and simply check it out. Remember you are comparing the ultimate scum bag with Clinton.
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Not according to the polls. I already posted a couple. 25% of all Americans disliked both candidates. Clinton's disapproval rating topped 60% at the end with 70% of independents disapproving of her. But I don't think one can convince a Clinton supporter of how poor a candidate she was. In February of 2016 a poll showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone else other than Clinton. You guys failed to listen to America as a whole and viola, what happened happened. But that was your choice and your right.

You really want to know why Clinton lost. Rigged or the perception of the Democratic primaries being rigged in Clinton's favor. According to the exit polls, the Democratic base voted in favor of Clinton 89-8 over Trump. Now those rigged primaries and Sanders supporters who were still angry at the DNC and Democratic state party leaders for rigging the primaries against Sanders. They also voted for Clinton, but by a slimmer margin of 65-22 with 13% voting third party. That's not counting those Sanders supporters who stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for either Trump or Clinton. There is no way to know how many that was as exit polls can't poll those who don't vote.

Look hard at those numbers, that is 35% of Sanders supporters who voted, didn't vote for Clinton. If they voted at the same or close to the same percentage as the Democratic base did, Clinton would have won. At least I think so. Most Sanders supporters were young, in the 18-29 age group. Obama won that age group 60-37 in 2012, Clinton won that same group 54-38 with 8% voting third party. Clinton dropped six points, Trump only rose one, but that six point drop could have made all the difference in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Union household were also big, Obama won them 58-40. Clinton won them 51-42 with 7% voting third party.
 
ludin said:
Word games to be a traitor means you have to have committed treason.

Benedict Arnold comes to mind. That would be a treasonous act.

Other than you simply have a hatred of trump you once again fail to list anything that would be considered treasonous.
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Arnold was a traitor but one hell of a military leader for the colonies and then for the British. Trump is a fool however such as General Lee second in command to Washington for a short time. Thank god he ended up being capture and not on a battlefield but at an inn.
 
BillRM said:
Arnold was a traitor but one hell of a military leader for the colonies and then for the British. Trump is a fool however such as General Lee second in command to Washington for a short time. Thank god he ended up being capture and not on a battlefield but at an inn.
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Irrelevant to what I posted but expected.
 
Perotista said:
Not according to the polls. I already posted a couple. 25% of all Americans disliked both candidates. Clinton's disapproval rating topped 60% at the end with 70% of independents disapproving of her. But I don't think one can convince a Clinton supporter of how poor a candidate she was. In February of 2016 a poll showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone else other than Clinton. You guys failed to listen to America as a whole and viola, what happened happened. But that was your choice and your right.

You really want to know why Clinton lost. Rigged or the perception of the Democratic primaries being rigged in Clinton's favor. According to the exit polls, the Democratic base voted in favor of Clinton 89-8 over Trump. Now those rigged primaries and Sanders supporters who were still angry at the DNC and Democratic state party leaders for rigging the primaries against Sanders. They also voted for Clinton, but by a slimmer margin of 65-22 with 13% voting third party. That's not counting those Sanders supporters who stayed home because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for either Trump or Clinton. There is no way to know how many that was as exit polls can't poll those who don't vote.

Look hard at those numbers, that is 35% of Sanders supporters who voted, didn't vote for Clinton. If they voted at the same or close to the same percentage as the Democratic base did, Clinton would have won. At least I think so. Most Sanders supporters were young, in the 18-29 age group. Obama won that age group 60-37 in 2012, Clinton won that same group 54-38 with 8% voting third party. Clinton dropped six points, Trump only rose one, but that six point drop could have made all the difference in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Union household were also big, Obama won them 58-40. Clinton won them 51-42 with 7% voting third party.
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You forgot about the false news campaign mainly by the Russians against Hillary?
 
Deuce said:
The basis for your treason accusation is the alleged leaking of secrets to the Russians.

So, what secrets and how do you know? That would really help out the nation if we could have proof enough to oust the guy. So quit holding out on us, dude.
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jbander doesn't need proof. He thinks Trump is guilty of treason and that's all that is required in his mind.
 
BillRM said:
Sadly I think you are going to get all the proof in the world and then what, as I do not think his personality will allow him to pack up and go silently away like Nixon.

Lord I feel for the man as I do not think he is evil just very stupid and completely out of his depth.
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If the proof is out there and it is uncovered...fine. Throw the book at him. Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

Until that time comes, we're just left with ultra-extremist, hyper-partisan ramblings such is the original post in this thread.
 
ludin said:
Irrelevant to what I posted but expected.
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Why as once more I do not think of Trump as a traitor like Arnold just a fool like Lee and fools can do as must harm or even more then a traitor.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
If the proof is out there and it is uncovered...fine. Throw the book at him. Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
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An what do we do about a complete fool in the whitehouse not a traitor as such?

Of course he is not an honest fool so we might be able to get him on some fairly minor matters.
 
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BillRM said:
An what do we do about a complete fool in the whitehouse not a traitor as such?

Of course he is not an honest fool so we might be able to get him on some fairly minor matters.
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At least we don't have that gangster thug, Hillary in the White House. She wouldn't have given secrets to the Russians, she'd have sold them to pad her personal coffers.
 
BillRM said:
You forgot about the false news campaign mainly by the Russians against Hillary?
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what exactly did the Russians say about Hillary and what was false?
 
Velvet Elvis said:
At least we don't have that gangster thug, Hillary in the White House. She wouldn't have given secrets to the Russians, she'd have sold them to pad her personal coffers.
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Strange as it look like the Russians move heaven and earth to provide aid for Trump and to block Hillary from becoming President not the other way around.

Frankly I think they misjudge as having a completely unpredictable fool as an opponent is likely more dangerous to them then needing to deal with a sane and competency person such as Hillary.
 
BillRM said:
Strange as it look like the Russians move heaven and earth to provide aid for Trump and to block Hillary from becoming President not the other way around.

Frankly I think they misjudge as having a completely unpredictable fool as an opponent is likely more dangerous to them then needing to deal with a sane and competency person such as Hillary.
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There is still no proof, only speculation. When the F.B.I. or whoever comes out with definitive proof, I'm right there with you. Get rid of him. Otherwise, I cannot take biased left winged sites seriously.
 
TurtleDude said:
what exactly did the Russians say about Hillary and what was false?
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Some examples of the mountain of fake news directed at Clinton some of it with the aid of Russian hackers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...k-warner-intelligence-committee-a7657641.html

The Kremlin paid an army of more than 1,000 people to create fake anti-Hillary Clinton news stories targeting key swing states, the leading Democrat on the committee looking into alleged Russian interference in the US election has said.

Senator Mark Warner, the Democrat ranking member, and chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Republican Senator Richard Burr, appeared together at a press conference to give an update on the investigation ahead of the first witnesses appearing today.

Mr Warner said: “We know about the hacking, and selective leaks, but what really concerns me as a former tech guy is at least some reports – and we’ve got to get to the bottom of this – that there were upwards of a thousand internet trolls working out of a facility in Russia, in effect taking over a series of computers which are then called botnets, that can then generate news down to specific areas.


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Russian hackers penetrated Republican groups, says FBI chief
“It’s been reported to me, and we’ve got to find this out, whether they were able to affect specific areas in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, where you would not have been receiving off of whoever your vendor might have been, Trump versus Clinton, during the waning days of the election, but instead, ‘Clinton is sick’, or ‘Clinton is taking money from whoever for some source’ … fake news.

“An outside foreign adversary effectively sought to hi-jack the most critical democratic process, the election of a President, and in that process, decided to favour one candidate over another.”

The key states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania which Mr Warner named all fell narrowly - and unexpectedly - to Donald Trump.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/30/read-all-about-it-the-biggest-fake-news-stories-of-2016.html


Fake news: Hillary Clinton is running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop.

Fake news: Democrats want to impose Islamic law in Florida.

"Pope Francis shocks world, endorses Donald Trump for president"

"Donald Trump sent his own plane to transport 200 stranded marines"

"FBI agent suspected in Hillary email leaks found dead in apartment murder-suicide"

"FBI director received millions from Clinton Foundation, his brother’s law firm does Clinton’s taxes"

"ISIS leader calls for American Muslim voters to support Hillary Clinton"
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TaterTots said:
There is still no proof, only speculation. When the F.B.I. or whoever comes out with definitive proof, I'm right there with you. Get rid of him. Otherwise, I cannot take biased left winged sites seriously.
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LOL..............the NYT or the Washington Post are fake news sources unlike the Fox network and breitbart.

Oh you also might enjoy looking at the youtube video of Trump calling on the Russians to go after Hillary mail.
 
Perotista said:
What we have now is a direct result of our two major parties nominating two candidate that outside of their core supporters no one wanted either on to become our next president. The election probably came down to 8 million voters, 6% of those who voted that disliked the choices give so much they decided to vote third party. To vote for a person, a candidate they knew nothing about, a candidate that had no money to run political ads, a candidate with no name recognition, completely unknown, whom these voters knew had no chance to win. Yet and only because their last name wasn't Trump or Clinton, they voted third party whether than be forced to choose between the most horrible candidates the two major parties nominated. Who knows how many stayed home rather than make that choice. All they asked for was a decent candidate where none was provided.

We have whom we have as president due to choices and decisions made by the two major parties during the primaries. Each party nominated whom they wanted, their choice. Now we have to live with the choices the two major parties made. Both major parties are responsible for this. Don't believe me?

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates | Gallup
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Very well said. I was a reluctant Clinton voter who was concerned that Trump was too insecure and immature to be a good President. So far, I have been a 1000% right. The 35% hard core Trump voters are the same folks who think that WWE wrestling is real. In no way could I stand with them.

Based on the ridiculous degree that his "hardcore" supporters on here humiliate themselves, and ruin their own credibility by blindly defending his lies, I made the right choice.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Very well said. I was a reluctant Clinton voter who was concerned that Trump was too insecure and immature to be a good President. So far, I have been a 1000% right. The 35% hard core Trump voters are the same folks who think that WWE wrestling is real. In no way could I stand with them.

Based on the ridiculous degree that his "hardcore" supporters on here humiliate themselves, and ruin their own credibility by blindly defending his lies, I made the right choice.
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that sort of attitude is why Hillary lost
 
OP is on a time out so I suggest letting his dumb thread die.
 
jbander said:
Now we find out that he is also treasonous because of stupidity. Brag it up with the Russians and telling them how smart he is and how informed he is , and subliminally how stupid he is. A absolute idiot. Can't wait to see the excuses from the right, while their main attack on Hillary was 1/10th what this is. You can't make this stuff up. Your turn now blind right.
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This post is destined for the land fill. Smelly, disjointed and laughable, as it spins in the wind, with sea gulls circling.
 
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