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Russia starting to see returns on Trump investment

Mac77 said:
So many of our washington institutions hate Americans so the feeling is mutual
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Including the President, it seems.

He's called many of us his enemy.

Which is why he needs to go ...
 
Mac77 said:
So many of our washington institutions hate Americans so the feeling is mutual
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What in the world are you talking about? The IRS or something?
 
Chomsky said:
Including the President, it seems.

He's called many of us his enemy.

Which is why he needs to go ...
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Oh?

Are you a lying liberal journalist, illegal alien criminal, or a terrorists?

Or maybe just a member of the entrenched washington establishment?

If none of the above applies then you are not the target of trump's anger
 
ataraxia said:
What in the world are you talking about? The IRS or something?
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The IRS, EPA, Labor, and now the FBI.

The list of rogue washington organizations is growing
 
Mac77 said:
The IRS, EPA, Labor, and now the FBI.

The list of rogue washington organizations is growing
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Huh? You don't like the IRS? Who's going to pay for all the military spending Trump wants to do?

And the EPA? How is that your enemy? It's just implementing widely accepted scientific observations and conclusions. I am sorry you don't like science. But things like climate change or gravity are not partisan issues and not a matter of opinion.

And the FBI? Just until a few months ago, Comey was Trump's main man. Now they are the enemy?
 
bubbabgone said:
They're running with the Russian plan.
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OK, I am just trying to follow the reasoning here... is this why they are pushing for investigation into their meddling?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Neither did the Democratics, whoever they may be.
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:)

Yeah, I know. They sound like some kind of Motown group from the 1960s or something. I'll see if I can find an old LP from them: "Diana Ross and the Democratics....!"

Groovy, man!
 
ataraxia said:
Huh? You don't like the IRS? Who's going to pay for all the military spending Trump wants to do?

And the EPA? How is that your enemy? It's just implementing widely accepted scientific observations and conclusions. I am sorry you don't like science. But things like climate change or gravity are not partisan issues and not a matter of opinion.

And the FBI? Just until a few months ago, Comey was Trump's main man. Now they are the enemy?
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When the IRS can tarrass the political opponents of obama with no consequences then it needs to be held accountable.

So don't set the bar as all or nothing

We need good institutions and we are not getting that now
 
bubbabgone said:
Yes..
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Oh, I see. So you want the investigation to stop. OK. If it would make you more comfortable. We can just stop it all, get some blindfolds and earplugs for ourselves, and let you keep living in your fantasy world where America is becoming great again...:roll:

Would that help you feel better?
 
Mac77 said:
When the IRS can tarrass the political opponents of obama with no consequences then it needs to be held accountable.

So don't set the bar as all or nothing

We need good institutions and we are not getting that now
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Alright. Then have had it. Blow up whatever is left of it. And of course we will stop the Russia investigation too. That will really make America great again, and respected all over the world!
 
ataraxia said:
Oh, I see. So you want the investigation to stop. OK. If it would make you more comfortable. We can just stop it all, get some blindfolds and earplugs for ourselves, and let you keep living in your fantasy world where America is becoming great again...:roll:

Would that help you feel better?
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Huh?
I'm talking about what the Democratics want.
Russians helped Trump win.
Trump is illegitimate.
Hillary really won.
Trump should be impeached.
Riots at Townhalls.
The Resistence.
The Democrat Party wants to keep the investigation going as long as possible.
An Independent Investigation helps to do that.

It's like the Democratics are colluding with the Russians to enable their plan for their own purposes.
 
Mac77 said:
Oh?

Are you a lying liberal journalist, illegal alien criminal, or a terrorists?

Or maybe just a member of the entrenched washington establishment?

If none of the above applies then you are not the target of trump's anger
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You forgot flag-burners and protesters.

But Trump is the enemy of Americans, and that my friend is not a President.

Sorry. I stand by all Americans, even the ones I personally dislike; even those wayward that voted for Trump. ;)
 
bubbabgone said:
Huh?
I'm talking about what the Democratics want.
Russians helped Trump win.
Trump is illegitimate.
Hillary really won.
Trump should be impeached.
Riots at Townhalls.
The Resistence.
The Democrat Party wants to keep the investigation going as long as possible.
An Independent Investigation helps to do that.

It's like the Democratics are colluding with the Russians to enable their plan for their own purposes.
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What you describe above, is the Putin playbook. He inspires confusion and division.

Which is why Trump played right into his hands by calling on him to assist him in the election, whether joking or not.

During the election campaign Trump should have immediately denounced the leaks and Russian assistance, and united with the Dems and the citizenry against the meddling. He didn't, for his own political expediency, again playing into Putin's hand. Trump missed his opportunity, regardless of the factual truth - whatever that may be - of the Russian matter with him.
 
So here's the thing, a ton of high level folks have come out and said there is no evidence of the Russia-Trump collusion, yet the story continues:

Obama's ex DNI Chief- Ex-Director of National Intellifence James Clapper denies Trump Tower was wiretapped | McClatchy Washington Bureau

Dianne Feinstein: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...ssian-collusion-during-2016-campaign-n2322991

Obama's ex-CIA chief: Clinton Ally Says Smoke, But No Fire: No Russia-Trump Collusion - NBC News

Also, we have to factor in that, according to the two journalists who wrote Shattered about Clinton's most recent campaign noted that “Within 24 hours of her concession speech,' the authors report, campaign manager Robby Mook and campaign chair John Podesta 'assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.” (Norman Solomon: How ?Russiagate? Got So Much Momentum - Truthdig)

There has yet to be any hard evidence that anything occurred and for some reason this story continues. On some level it's rather baffling to me, however, given the fact that it fits into so many agendas, I shouldn't be surprised.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
So here's the thing, a ton of high level folks have come out and said there is no evidence of the Russia-Trump collusion, yet the story continues:

Obama's ex DNI Chief- Ex-Director of National Intellifence James Clapper denies Trump Tower was wiretapped | McClatchy Washington Bureau

Dianne Feinstein: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...ssian-collusion-during-2016-campaign-n2322991

James Clapper: James Clapper on collusion between Russia, Trump aides: There could be evidence - CNNPolitics.com

Obama's ex-CIA chief: Clinton Ally Says Smoke, But No Fire: No Russia-Trump Collusion - NBC News

Also, we have to factor in that, according to the two journalists who wrote Shattered about Clinton's most recent campaign noted that “Within 24 hours of her concession speech,' the authors report, campaign manager Robby Mook and campaign chair John Podesta 'assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.” (Norman Solomon: How ?Russiagate? Got So Much Momentum - Truthdig)

There has yet to be any hard evidence that anything occurred and for some reason this story continues. On some level it's rather baffling to me, however, given the fact that it fits into so many agendas, I shouldn't be surprised.
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There is no doubt that there was Russian interference in this last US election. You are correct that the direct Trump collusion issue has not been fully investigated and nothing conclusive has yet been shown. But the first statement still holds, and that's what we're talking about here. I'm not sure if you just got confused, or Were purposefully trying to change the topic.
 
ataraxia said:
There is no doubt that there was Russian interference in this last US election. You are correct that the direct Trump collusion issue has not been fully investigated and nothing conclusive has yet been shown. But the first statement still holds, and that's what we're talking about here. I'm not sure if you just got confused, or Were purposefully trying to change the topic.
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If there is "no doubt" about Russian interference, then why is there a massive dearth of evidence?
 
countryboy said:
I didn't read past "So carefully messaged articles by the Russian Propaganda arm", I assume the rest of your post is equally delusional, like most TDS fueled rants. :roll:
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I love how he makes massive assertions with literally no evidence.
 
ataraxia said:
Your country's government is going down the tubes. There is now a crisis of government. Good job. Trump voters, along with Russia, have blown up our government. You got your small government- it's blown up into tiny pieces. Mike Pence is not going to be able to help. If you really thought he could, not sure why you didn't elect him to run for president. Instead, the mindless minions are screaming themselves hoarse with enthusiasm over Trump.
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We have this thing called state governments here, which are actually supposed to be doing most of the governing, in accordance to the Constitution. Btw...what's your country?
 
ataraxia said:
Trump supporters sent Donald Trump to DC because they wanted to blow up and eviscerate their own government. Russia shares the same goals. So carefully messaged articles by the Russian Propaganda arm have stirred up and played on the massive levels of ignorance, prejudice, misunderstandings, latent racism, and misogyny of large portions of the American public- to create confusion, fear, and mistrust of their own government and institutions. And now the Russians got their wish- no wonder they were celebrating his victory and opening bottles of Vodka in Moscow on election night.
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If little 'ol Russia Today caused such big problems then the problem is not with Russia. That point aside, your hysteria and conspiracy is very fascinating. Would be interesting to study you and see what makes you tick.
 
ataraxia said:
Trump supporters sent Donald Trump to DC because they wanted to blow up and eviscerate their own government. Russia shares the same goals. So carefully messaged articles by the Russian Propaganda arm have stirred up and played on the massive levels of ignorance, prejudice, misunderstandings, latent racism, and misogyny of large portions of the American public- to create confusion, fear, and mistrust of their own government and institutions. And now the Russians got their wish- no wonder they were celebrating his victory and opening bottles of Vodka in Moscow on election night.

Such a foreign policy agenda has not been isolated to the US, of course. They have been playing similar games all over Europe. Over the past decade, Russia has boosted right-wing populists across Europe. It loaned money to Marine Le Pen in France, well-documented transfusions of cash to keep her presidential campaign alive. Such largesse also wended its way to the former Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, who profited “personally and handsomely” from Russian energy deals, as an American ambassador to Rome once put it. They have been pushing xenophobic and anti-EU candidates across Eastern Europe and the Baltic states as well. Russia been a sponsor of Golden Dawn in Greece, Ataka in Bulgaria, and Jobbik in Hungary. Joe Biden warned about this effort last year in a speech at the Brookings Institution: “President Putin sees such political forces and popular sentiment as useful tools to be manipulated, to create cracks in the European body politic which he can then exploit.” Ruptures that will likely multiply after Brexit—a campaign Russia’s many propaganda organs openly, and not-so-openly, promoted.

The goal? Fragmentation and destabilization of western alliances and governments.

Now, of course, the firing of FBI director Comey couldn't have been planned better. At this point Americans' mistrust of their government is at an all-time high, and they have elected a president which has credibility even lower than Richard Nixon- historical lows. There is no one with whom Trump can replace Comey that would have any level of trust by anyone in the US. And so one of the most powerful pillars of law enforcement and justice in the US has been destabilized as well.

And the US government is still operating on a skeleton crew- months after the election. This has been unprecedented in US history. Large Portions of many departments- from the state department to the EPA, remain understaffed and unfilled. The government is not even able to run routine activities of governance, let alone handle any crisis which may come up.

More Americans believe in Bigfoot than evolutionary biology. More of them believe in a 6,000 year old universe than climate change science. The lack of education in this country has been exploited as a weapon against us now. This massive level of ignorance is a seriously liability and needs to stop. We need to invest in more education if we wish to maintain a system of democracy.
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Were you attempting to hit every liberal hot topic button? You came darn close and even fabricated a few I haven’t read before, very amusing. You do understand that Russia has been meddling in US affaires even before the smoke cleared from WW2 and the US does the same. As for any influence the Russians had on this election I would ask you to consider how many average American voters are clicking onto RT news and other Russian propaganda sites. Yes, the Kremlin is laughing but the real dividend being paid is by the Democratic party, they have taken obstructionism to new heights and have the lunatic liberal press to back them up. In reality for one that doesn’t live in a liberal bubble, Chuck Schumer and the herd of lemmings have done more damage to our government structure than the Russians could ever hope of doing.

I find some or most of your assertions comical at best, the “skeleton crew” comment stuck out with me. You do understand that Trump got elected with promises of thinning out over bloated crony filled agencies. As for positions that need confirmation you should look to why they are delayed.

BTW: you should really refrain form quoting Thomas Jefferson.
 
ocean515 said:
This thread belongs in the Conspiracy Theory section, where other crazy conspiracies can be played with.
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We had years of right wingers mindlessly spewing conspiracy theories about President Obama and Hillary Clinton in the mainstream, so it's hilarious to watch you guys condemn your own tactic.

But there's a notable difference here. Hillary benghazi? Hillary emails? Nothing happened.

But Flynn resigned. So, already, the dems have more smoke than you guys ever did. Lol!
 
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