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Trump... everything I didn't like is still true.

Renae said:
He's an ass, a egomaniacal fool, a jerk, impulsive.

Yes, I like that the's pushing law and order in the immigration issue as much as he can, I like that he got someone at least at this point is an originalist leaning judge to replace the great Justice Scalia, I like his push of deregulating as much federal interference in business and the daily lives of Americans...

But he's impatient, he's flippant, he's too worried about what others say about him and he's abrasive for the sake of being abrasive.

I don't CARE about the stupid Russian thing, in terms of Trump being "influenced or controlled" or any of that ****. In fact, I think the biggest fault his compadres who did have Russian interactions with is that they saw opportunity for financial gain without considering the source of that money. Dealing with Russian business is just asking for trouble. All the other political manufactured BS is just so much Birther (and yes I get Trump was actually into that movement so the irony of him being subjected that same mindset is not lost on me) level logic and hype.

What I was really hoping was the GOP would embrace the chance to make some serious changes but it appears my worst fears about the GOP as a party in terms of the leadership is exposed by Trump. They have an ever dwindling window to show the American people that the GOP stands for something that's a real contrast to the vision of the Democrats. The GOP should really be the party of smaller Federal Government in terms of how it affects us on a personal, legal, business level. But it appears the GOP Leadership is really about big government their way. Something that the base must fix or their current will diminish.

Trump will take the blame, but not because of his actions so much as their own.
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You know...when you refer to what the GOP stands for, it helps to realize that not everyone in the GOP actually stand for those things...at least, not according to their actions.

The GOP who put Trump in the White House DO stand for those things you mention, but the GOP who worked hard to prevent him getting to the White House don't. Those same GOP who worked against him are still working against him, especially those in both houses of Congress.

Now, Trump campaigned in part on "draining the swamp". He was referring to those GOP in Congress who say one thing and do another...with the aim of feathering their own political and monetary nests. These are the ones the base must deal with if the GOP has any hope holding to their Party standards. The problem the base has...and the reason Trump is having such a hard time...is that those GOP swamp dwellers are the ones with the power to make those changes...at least from a Congressional approach. The base...well, their only power is to boot those guys from office.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! By stating that, and by claiming it's equivalent to birtherism, you're screaming from the rooftops that you don't understand the first thing about either, and you don't care to.

No biggie, some people are happy like that.
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You sound like a birther. "You don't get it, why won't he release his original birth certificate?? What is he hiding???"
 
renae said:
They have an ever dwindling window to show the American people that the GOP stands for something that's a real contrast to the vision of the Democrats.
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I don't think the GOP stands for what you imply though.

The GOP stands for these things:

Big energy (big companies)
Military spending (big companies)
Tax cuts for the ultra-rich and big corporations (big companies)
defending big insurance/health care (big companies)

Look at what Bush jumped all over when in office. Big energy on day one, wars, Bush tax cuts, healthcare that favors private industry.

Everything else is kind of lip service. They will push it if traction, else, do some token to appease the masses. It does not really stand for small government. That's just accidental in that they want it to go to corporations, but they can piggy-back that without cost and who is gonna call them to task? Democrats?

It does suck that we only have 2 parties, I think 5 would be a lot nicer. give you a fascist, I mean nationalist candidate, and I'll take a social liberal + fiscal liberal with a smattering of safety net reform. Anyway, while I don't agree with your positions, I can sympathize with your frustration at the process.
 
Renae said:
You sound like a birther. "You don't get it, why won't he release his original birth certificate?? What is he hiding???"
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No, I sound nothing like one, but you go right ahead and pretend that I do if it helps you to avoid having to see the doom closing in Trump.

You just demonstrated again that you understand nothing about birtherism nor the growing Trump scandals.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, I sound nothing like one, but you go right ahead and pretend that I do if it helps you to avoid having to see the doom closing in Trump.

You just demonstrated again that you understand nothing about birtherism nor the growing Trump scandals.
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It is okay, being trapped in group think like you are, it is hard to see the truth.
 
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