Trump signs Exec Order to Investigate Voter Fraud and Illegal Immigrant Voting.

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

I've been waiting for this one for about four months now:

Trump signs executive order launching voter fraud commission | Fox News

Trump signs executive order launching voter fraud commission

BY Brooke Singman Published May 11, 2017

President Trump signed an executive order on Thursday to launch a commission to review alleged voter fraud, a White House official confirmed to Fox News, after months of claiming voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election.

The order, titled “Presidential Commission on Election Integrity,” would establish a bipartisan commission, chaired by Vice President Mike Pence, to review alleged voter fraud and suppression. Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has investigated voter fraud in Kansas, will serve as vice chair.

"This action by President Trump fulfills another promise made to the American people,” Pence said in a statement. "We can't take for granted the integrity of the vote."

The White House announced five members to the commission on Thursday: Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson (R), New Hampshire Secretary of State Bill Gardner (D), Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap (D), Christie McCormick, commissioner of the election assistance commission, and former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell(R).

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Website includes a Tucker Carlson Interview with a State Level AG who has begun prosecuting known voter fraud, so far 8 in 2017 have gone down.

Carlson asks the question, "So, if the federal government refuses to cooperate with state government, to allow their data bases of known foreigners to be run against voter rolls, then they want the voter fraud to occur? ... Right?"

Oh my... Oh dear... for the Lefties, that question was NEVER to be allowed to be asked... Times they are a-change'in!

And the Lefties like to claim that Trump has done nothing in his first 100 days...

In the last 24 years, the blatant Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud has not been challenged! In Four Months, Trump has it a major focus.

Question:

Hey Dems, if they can't vote for you, do you still want all these Illegals?

They are rather expensive, take jobs from voting citizens, and often commit horrendous crimes... Are you done with them?

Can we send them home now?

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Rexedgar · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon, NM has many farms, yes? Interweb says over 23K farms. Who works the fields in those farms, chili peppers, cotton, onion,wheat and grain sorghum don't pick themselves?!

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

Rexedgar said:
Kurmugeon, NM has many farms, yes? Interweb says over 23K farms. Who works the fields in those farms, chili peppers, cotton, onion,wheat and grain sorghum don't pick themselves?!

Me...

And many others like me.

I spent my summers and falls from age 15-18 working as a fruit picker. So did many low income working whites.

It made me lean, strong, and taught me the value of an honest day's labor. My to-be-wife and I had just started dating, and I'd stop by her parents home, on my way home from work, and she'd make her folks and I supper. I kept an extra set of clean clothes in car, and they'd let me shower up before we sat down to table.

My father-in-law-to-be was very happy that while I was a college bound physics science nerd, I knew how to WORK!

My Spanish Mother-in-law-to-be taught her daughter all the tricks of fantastic New Mexican cooking.

Some of the best times in my life.

Then I joined the Air Force. Got an education, and started doing rocket science.

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Rexedgar · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
Me...

And many others like me.

I spent my summers and falls from age 15-18 working as a fruit picker. So did many low income working whites.

It made me lean, strong, and taught me the value of an honest day's labor. My to-be-wife and I had just started dating, and I'd stop by her parents home, on my way home from work, and she'd make her folks and I supper. I kept an extra set of clean clothes in car, and they'd let me shower up before we sat down to table.

My father-in-law-to-be was very happy that while I was a college bound physics science nerd, I knew how to WORK!

Some of the best times in my life.

Then I joined the Air Force. Got an education, and started doing rocket science.

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Thank you for your service! Fellow vet here. Let's fast forward to today, are the youth of NM willing to follow your lead? I don't know, I am on the other side of the country and the youth (yutes) here want to play video games and get comfortable jobs that they are probably not qualified for.

Tanngrisnir · May 14, 2017

Well, Trump's gotta do something, ANYTHING, to keep the rubes coming in the tent, so to speak.

Bread and Circuses for the dim and easily misled.

Deuce · May 14, 2017

Maybe this time right wingers will finally accept the results of the investigation.

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

Rexedgar said:
Thank you for your service! Fellow vet here. Let's fast forward to today, are the youth of NM willing to follow your lead? I don't know, I am on the other side of the country and the youth (yutes) here want to play video games and get comfortable jobs that they are probably not qualified for.

The systematic anti-white discrimination has reached unforseen heights today in New Mexico, and the working White youth, and their parents are "Not Qualified" to recieve the governemnt programs...

So, while the Illegal Immigrants, and many of the native Hispanics, live on welfare and other special programs for the "Designated Minorities" benefits, and can spend their time playing video games, the working White youth jump at the chance to do any labor class job!

Working Class White Americans... by definition, WORK for a living. We're not picky, and we don't mind blisters and a sore back.

I guess maybe things are different out on the east coast...

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Deuce · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
The systematic anti-white discrimination has reached unforseen heights today in New Mexico, and the working White youth, and their parents are "Not Qualified" to recieve the governemnt programs...

So, while the Illegal Immigrants, and many of the native Hispanics, live on welfare and other special programs for the "Designated Minorities" benefits, and can spend their time playing video games, the working White youth jump at the chance to do any labor class job!

Working Class White Americans... by definition, WORK for a living. We're not picky, and we don't mind blisters and a sore back.

I guess maybe things are different out on the east coast...

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They weren't denied assistance for being white, you liar.

Rexedgar · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
The systematic anti-white discrimination has reached unforseen heights today in New Mexico, and the working White youth, and their parents are "Not Qualified" to recieve the governemnt programs...

So, while the Illegal Immigrants, and many of the native Hispanics, live on welfare and other special programs for the "Designated Minorities" benefits, and can spend their time playing video games, the working White youth jump at the chance to do any labor class job!

Working Class White Americans... by definition, WORK for a living. We're not picky, and we don't mind blisters and a sore back.

I guess maybe things are different out on the east coast...

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God bless 'em if you all can raise them (white youth) to work. I have no kids, so I can't speak to the aspects of parenting, I would like to believe that my hypothetical children would be different than what I see. If you in the SW have the labor force to replace the deportees, then you are all set. From what I read/see/hear, your situation is not the norm in the majority of the country. This arguement is similar to the ones that want to do away with restaurant gratuities and not wanting to pay any more for their meals.

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

Rexedgar said:
God bless 'em if you all can raise them (white youth) to work. I have no kids, so I can't speak to the aspects of parenting, I would like to believe that my hypothetical children would be different than what I see. If you in the SW have the labor force to replace the deportees, then you are all set. From what I read/see/hear, your situation is not the norm in the majority of the country. This arguement is similar to the ones that want to do away with restaurant gratuities and not wanting to pay any more for their meals.

Working White youth in the Southwest are usually from the Ranch-Country-Music-Hot-Rod-PickupTrucks culture. I'm sure that there is some like you describe, but I just never hung-out with that sort of crowd.

We're Proud to be working class. It means we've got common sense, caloused hands, and moral-code.

We, working whites, never want a hand-out, we want a job. We don't want to attend some pro-socialist rally or arsonist Antifa protest, we want the state to allow a subsidized community college tuition, to get that vocational training in running the asphalt laying machinery. Somebody has to fix the roads... that's good, steady work!

I'm helping raise my five(soon seven) grandkids to have same values.

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AlbqOwl · May 14, 2017

Rexedgar said:
Kurmugeon, NM has many farms, yes? Interweb says over 23K farms. Who works the fields in those farms, chili peppers, cotton, onion,wheat and grain sorghum don't pick themselves?!

There isn't a lot of wheat grown in New Mexico except for the far east corridor of counties; sorghum is somewhat more common. What is grown is combined, not picked. Cotton and onions and chili peppers are also harvested by machine these days. New Mexico has the highest unemployment rate in the nation, so I think the illegals are not an asset asset for us.

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

AlbqOwl said:
There isn't a lot of wheat grown in New Mexico except for the far east corridor of counties; sorghum is somewhat more common. What is grown is combined, not picked. Cotton and onions and chili peppers are also harvested by machine these days. New Mexico has the highest unemployment rate in the nation, so I think the illegals are not an asset asset for us.

Not all chillis are harvested by machine. The green jalapenos are, the fruit being very consistent in size and hard enough that the machines don't crush the fruit. My nephew worked last fall down in Coralles haresting Big Jims and Habaneros, he also picked apples out in Belen.

But you're correct about New Mexico being highest in the Nation for most things bad, like teen pregnancy, opiate addiction, and DUI, and lowest in the Nation for most things good, like five+ year degrees, two parent homes, and car insurance.

Allot of our State's problems come from high ratios of Illegal Immigrants.

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AlbqOwl · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
Not all chillis are harvested by machine. The green jalapenos are, the fruit being very consistent in size and hard enough that the machines don't crush the fruit. My nephew worked last fall down in Coralles haresting Big Jims and Habaneros, he also picked apples out in Belen.

But you're correct about New Mexico being highest in the Nation for most things bad, like teen pregnancy, opiate addiction, and DUI, and lowest in the Nation for most things good, like five+ year degrees, two parent homes, and car insurance.

Allot of our State's problems come from high ratios of Illegal Immigrants.

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Yes, I agree there are some fruit and veggies that do have to be picked by hand. We have a friend in the Mesillo Valley who grows a lot of our famous green chili and it is still labor intensive though they are working on a harvester that can handle the tender chilis. He admits migrant workers do help keep the prices down, and if they no longer have access to them, they'll have to pay Americans enough to do the work and that will raise the prices. He is hoping immigration reform will include a guest worker program so that the folks can come up from Mexico to help with the harvest and then go right back home again.

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

AlbqOwl said:
Yes, I agree there are some fruit and veggies that do have to be picked by hand. We have a friend in the Mesillo Valley who grows a lot of our famous green chili and it is still labor intensive though they are working on a harvester that can handle the tender chilis. He admits migrant workers do help keep the prices down, and if they no longer have access to them, they'll have to pay Americans enough to do the work and that will raise the prices. He is hoping immigration reform will include a guest worker program so that the folks can come up from Mexico to help with the harvest and then go right back home again.

What is wrong with prices of the native New Mexican Product, Chilies, rising a bit?

If I had to pay 20-30% more for Chilli, or even 100%, to get a product which put AMERICANS to work, kept down the Welfare roles, kept out the bad parts of Illegal Immigration... Don't I and the rest of America come out ahead?

I could pay the money I save in Chilli costs, as TAXES to the Federal Government, who will send it back, with lots of corruption and strings attached, to become welfare programs for un-employed American Citizens, with all of the other problems that come with trans-generational welfare dependence... or I could just pay a bit more for my favorite food!

Chilli is good Stuff! Its worth paying Americans to grow and pick it!

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jimbo · May 14, 2017

Rexedgar said:
Kurmugeon, NM has many farms, yes? Interweb says over 23K farms. Who works the fields in those farms, chili peppers, cotton, onion,wheat and grain sorghum don't pick themselves?!

Until just recently, farm owners and others needing seasonal or other workers not available from US citizens filed a request to the labor department and the department issued work permits where needed. That's still the case for skilled labor. The system worked well.

Unitedwestand13 · May 14, 2017

jimbo said:
Until just recently, farm owners and others needing seasonal or other workers not available from US citizens filed a request to the labor department and the department issued work permits where needed. That's still the case for skilled labor. The system worked well.

Yeah, our farm workers had to cross the border seasonally in order to work.

AlbqOwl · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
What is wrong with prices of the native New Mexican Product, Chilies, rising a bit?

If I had to pay 20-30% more for Chilli, or even 100%, to get a product which put AMERICANS to work, kept down the Welfare roles, kept out the bad parts of Illegal Immigration... Don't I and the rest of America come out ahead?

I could pay the money I save in Chilli costs, as TAXES to the Federal Government, who will send it back, with lots of corruption and strings attached, to become welfare programs for un-employed American Citizens, with all of the other problems that come with trans-generational welfare dependence... or I could just pay a bit more for my favorite food!

Chilli is good Stuff! Its worth paying Americans to grow and pick it!

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There is always the economic principle of supply and demand though. Raise the prices more than a little for a non essential product and the demand is most likely going to decrease. That in turn will prompt a decrease in the supply which likely will raise prices even more. So it isn't as simple as saying Americans SHOULD be willing to pay more for their green chili in order to gain the other benefits. Should and would are too separate things and must be a consideration in economic policy.

iguanaman · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
Me...

And many others like me.

I spent my summers and falls from age 15-18 working as a fruit picker. So did many low income working whites.

It made me lean, strong, and taught me the value of an honest day's labor. My to-be-wife and I had just started dating, and I'd stop by her parents home, on my way home from work, and she'd make her folks and I supper. I kept an extra set of clean clothes in car, and they'd let me shower up before we sat down to table.

My father-in-law-to-be was very happy that while I was a college bound physics science nerd, I knew how to WORK!

My Spanish Mother-in-law-to-be taught her daughter all the tricks of fantastic New Mexican cooking.

Some of the best times in my life.

Then I joined the Air Force. Got an education, and started doing rocket science.

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LOL So that is why we have to send our people to Russia to get to the space station. I was wondering how that happened.

jimbo · May 14, 2017

Unitedwestand13 said:
Yeah, our farm workers had to cross the border seasonally in order to work.

And when the work was done the farm workers went home. They were admitted on work permits.

Ever hear if the Bracero program?

During World War II, Mexican and American governments developed an agreement known as the Bracero program, which allowed Mexican laborers to work in the United States under short-term contracts in exchange for stricter border security and the return of illegal Mexican immigrants to Mexico.[10] Instead of providing military support to the U.S and its military allies, Mexico would provide laborers to the U.S. with the understanding that border security and illegal labor restrictions would be tightened by the United States.[11] The United States agreed, based upon a strong need for cheap labor to support its agricultural businesses, while Mexico hoped to utilize the laborers returned from the United States to boost its efforts to industrialize, grow its economy, and eliminate labor shortages.[12] The program began on September 27, 1942, when the first braceros were admitted into the United States under this agreement with Mexico.[13] The program called for braceros to be guaranteed wages, housing, food, and exemption from military service, however these terms were often disregarded by American farm owners.[14] After this agreement was reached, the Mexican government continued pressuring the United States to strengthen its border security or face the suspension of the legal stream of Mexican laborers entering the United States.[8] Two million Mexican nationals participated in the program during its existence, but tensions between the program's stated and implicit goals,[15] plus its ultimate ineffectiveness in limiting illegal immigration into the United States, eventually led to Operation Wetback in 1954.[

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

AlbqOwl said:
There is always the economic principle of supply and demand though. Raise the prices more than a little for a non essential product and the demand is most likely going to decrease. That in turn will prompt a decrease in the supply which likely will raise prices even more. So it isn't as simple as saying Americans SHOULD be willing to pay more for their green chili in order to gain the other benefits. Should and would are too separate things and must be a consideration in economic policy.

And you think the costs of Trans-Generation Welfare, Federal Government Taxes, Corruption and Strings, and Illegal Immigration Corruption, Vice, and Human Trafficking are ....

.... LESS of a burden, than paying Americans a fair wage for producing a healthy, local, crop?

Do you think that the Supply and Demand of Labor couldn't and wouldn't also change... as in, telling Trans-Generation Welfare recipients, "Here is a job for you, picking Chillis, do a good job, and you might get promoted to leading a team of pickers.. who knows how far you can go! Might own your own Chilli Farm some day. Fail at the job, and you starve! Got it?!"

That's what they told me, at age 17. I was a "White Male" who did not "Qualify".

So... I picked fruit very well. I stayed clean of drugs, studied hard in High School, to get a good ASFAB military entrance exam score, and in forty years of a adult life, I've never taken a single week's unemployment check!

Its amazing how far hard work and clean living will take you, when you've got no other choice.

The fact is, America does not NEED foreign farm laborers, we're just upping the profit margines for big Corporate Farms, at the cost of Americans trapped in Welfare dependency and all the Ills of Illegal Immigrants and Human Trafficking.

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Unitedwestand13 · May 14, 2017

jimbo said:
And when the work was done the farm workers went home. They were admitted on work permits.

Ever hear if the Bracero program?

During World War II, Mexican and American governments developed an agreement known as the Bracero program, which allowed Mexican laborers to work in the United States under short-term contracts in exchange for stricter border security and the return of illegal Mexican immigrants to Mexico.[10] Instead of providing military support to the U.S and its military allies, Mexico would provide laborers to the U.S. with the understanding that border security and illegal labor restrictions would be tightened by the United States.[11] The United States agreed, based upon a strong need for cheap labor to support its agricultural businesses, while Mexico hoped to utilize the laborers returned from the United States to boost its efforts to industrialize, grow its economy, and eliminate labor shortages.[12] The program began on September 27, 1942, when the first braceros were admitted into the United States under this agreement with Mexico.[13] The program called for braceros to be guaranteed wages, housing, food, and exemption from military service, however these terms were often disregarded by American farm owners.[14] After this agreement was reached, the Mexican government continued pressuring the United States to strengthen its border security or face the suspension of the legal stream of Mexican laborers entering the United States.[8] Two million Mexican nationals participated in the program during its existence, but tensions between the program's stated and implicit goals,[15] plus its ultimate ineffectiveness in limiting illegal immigration into the United States, eventually led to Operation Wetback in 1954.[

That still meant that there were illegal border crossings.

Or is the problem that these workers might consider staying in the United States?

Kurmugeon · May 14, 2017

iguanaman said:
LOL So that is why we have to send our people to Russia to get to the space station. I was wondering how that happened.

I worked on Military Missiles. And they're doing a great job at hitting their targets and destroying them. Nobody in the world does it better.

Now, NASA has always been allot more PC. But the Shuttle was a working program, until Obama took office, and ordered the destruction the shuttle's molds, and support infrastructure.

Then Obama cancelled the two follow on space vehicles:

VentureStar - Wikipedia

Constellation program - Wikipedia

And then Obama ordered NASA to a new primary mission... Muslim Outreach:

Flashback: Obama Turns NASA Into Muslim Outreach Program | Truth Revolt

So... the decline of NASA wasn't in Kurmugeon's hands... but Obama played a large part in it.

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jimbo · May 14, 2017

Unitedwestand13 said:
That still meant that there were illegal border crossings.

Or is the problem that these workers might consider staying in the United States?

That. Overstaying your visa is a crime no matter if it is a student visa or a temporary work permit.

I think something called Operation Wetback was put in place as an attempt to correct the problems created by the need for temporary workers during and after WW II. i.e. the Bracero program I'll admit to not knowing much about it. And having no inclination to school myself.

katzgar · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
I've been waiting for this one for about four months now:

Trump signs executive order launching voter fraud commission | Fox News

Website includes a Tucker Carlson Interview with a State Level AG who has begun prosecuting known voter fraud, so far 8 in 2017 have gone down.

Carlson asks the question, "So, if the federal government refuses to cooperate with state government, to allow their data bases of known foreigners to be run against voter rolls, then they want the voter fraud to occur? ... Right?"

Oh my... Oh dear... for the Lefties, that question was NEVER to be allowed to be asked... Times they are a-change'in!

And the Lefties like to claim that Trump has done nothing in his first 100 days...

In the last 24 years, the blatant Illegal Immigrant Voter Fraud has not been challenged! In Four Months, Trump has it a major focus.

Question:

Hey Dems, if they can't vote for you, do you still want all these Illegals?

They are rather expensive, take jobs from voting citizens, and often commit horrendous crimes... Are you done with them?

Can we send them home now?

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is your intention to troll?

katzgar · May 14, 2017

Kurmugeon said:
I worked on Military Missiles. And they're doing a great job at hitting their targets and destroying them. Nobody in the world does it better.

Now, NASA has always been allot more PC. But the Shuttle was a working program, until Obama took office, and ordered the destruction the shuttle's molds, and support infrastructure.

And then Obama ordered NASA to a new primary mission... Muslim Outreach:

Flashback: Obama Turns NASA Into Muslim Outreach Program | Truth Revolt

So... the decline of NASA wasn't in Kurmugeon's hands... but Obama played a large part in it.

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the problem you have when you listen to Rush you are listening to crap. You turn around and post crap. The part you forget is adults can look up what actually happened on this internet thingy. Rush Limbaugh says Barack Obama turned NASA into a 'Muslim outreach department' | PunditFact

Trump signs Exec Order to Investigate Voter Fraud and Illegal Immigrant Voting.

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