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Trump Screwed Up

TheGoverness said:
It wouldn't have. But even so, a move like this isn't doing Trump any favors.
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And if it got out that Trump ignored his own Justice Department team there'd be a whole different line of conspiracy talk about how Comey was blackmailing Trump.
 
MaggieD said:
IMO, the only mistake he made was in releasing it to the press before Comey had seen it.

Look, if he'd have fired him on Day One, he would be heavily criticized. It's the "rock and a hard place" scenario. If you or your administration is being investigated, there is NEVER a good time to fire the guy who leads the investigation. Took guts. And he'll take flack forever because of it.

I'd bet Comey thought he was bullet-proof. Nope. Not today. There's a guy with a big set of balls leading the country... right or wrong.
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Does it take guts to dodge the draft? How about defraud the American people in Ttump U? What about taking guts to pay contracts as negotiated? Does it take guts to take credit for military ops for photo sessions, but blame all casualties on the generals?
 
Winston said:
Does it take guts to dodge the draft? How about defraud the American people in Ttump U? What about taking guts to pay contracts as negotiated? Does it take guts to take credit for military ops for photo sessions, but blame all casualties on the generals?
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Sorry? I thought we were talking about Comey. Your "statements of fact" btw, are wrong.
 
haymarket said:
I have no idea what any of that right wing talk means as I do not hear those particular dog whistles. Try normal mainstream english next time if you want to be understood.
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LOL

So now you launch a personal attack on my communication ability.

Is that the best you can summon up?

Let's face some reality.

Comey is a bad guy, according to public statements by people on the left, including Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. YES

The MSM has labeled Comey incompetent in miles of copy over many months. YES

Numerous groups on the left have called for Comey's resignation over the email investigation issue and the election. YES

Numerous OP-EDs have been written by the lefts MSM partners at WaPo, NYT, etc. calling for Comey's resignation over his handling of issues at the FBI. YES

President Trump does what all the above have been calling for, and the left goes crazy, dredging up sound bites like "Nixonian", "Crisis", etc.. YES

So, where is the LOGIC in the above?
 
MaggieD said:
Sorry? I thought we were talking about Comey. Your "statements of fact" btw, are wrong.
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Haha, classic denial. Trump is a bad guy Maggie. He's got about as much courage as a middle school boy does in asking a girl out. And everything I've raised is supported by numerous accounts, often firsthand.

You think Trump knowingly took a leap of faith, valiantly as a crusader for justice? That's hogwash. Foolish talk. He's spineless.

If he fired Comey over mishandling the Clinton investigation, where are the indictments of Abedin, Clinton, and Weiner?
 
MaggieD said:
Wow, Haymarket. There isn't a nonpartisan bone in your body anymore.
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Trump is to blame.

But what it worst is watching decent people who I had some faith in being totally corrupted by Trump and now crossing the line into mental delusion brought willfully on by extremist politics.

I am NOT talking about you Maggie but when I see people at this point even deny that the Russians did what they did in our election process I can only chalk it up to either a brazen political tactic of denial that they themselves know in their heart of hearts is a fraud but they said it anyways... or ... its mental delusion that renders a person incapable of rational thought.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

So now you launch a personal attack on my communication ability.
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When somebody writes something and it is not clear to me what they are struggling to try and say - I simply tell them hoping they can make improvements.
 
haymarket said:
Trump is to blame.

But what it worst is watching decent people who I had some faith in being totally corrupted by Trump and now crossing the line into mental delusion brought willfully on by extremist politics.

I am NOT talking about you Maggie but when I see people at this point even deny that the Russians did what they did in our election process I can only chalk it up to either a brazen political tactic of denial that they themselves know in their heart of hearts is a fraud but they said it anyways... or ... its mental delusion that renders a person incapable of rational thought.
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I believe that Russians, probably gvmt sponsored, cyber-attacked our process. But after months of serious investigation*, what do we have? Not much. Yeah, they saw to it that the DNC emails were released, but they can't be blamed for the sad content. That's on the DNC. They didn't cast any votes, of THAT I'm sure, and that's really the only way to destroy the process.

I'm also sure our gvmt is hacking into other countries' innards. What they're doing is anyone's guess. But I'm sure we're there...
 
Winston said:
Haha, classic denial. Trump is a bad guy Maggie. He's got about as much courage as a middle school boy does in asking a girl out. And everything I've raised is supported by numerous accounts, often firsthand.

You think Trump knowingly took a leap of faith, valiantly as a crusader for justice? That's hogwash. Foolish talk. He's spineless.

If he fired Comey over mishandling the Clinton investigation, where are the indictments of Abedin, Clinton, and Weiner?
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He wasn't a "bad guy" until he ran for president...
 
MaggieD said:
I believe that Russians, probably gvmt sponsored, cyber-attacked our process. But after months of serious investigation*, what do we have? Not much. Yeah, they saw to it that the DNC emails were released, but they can't be blamed for the sad content. That's on the DNC. They didn't cast any votes, of THAT I'm sure, and that's really the only way to destroy the process.

I'm also sure our gvmt is hacking into other countries' innards. What they're doing is anyone's guess. But I'm sure we're there...
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It was WikiLeaks that released those emails. And the fault for that does fall upon Hillary/the DNC. The leaks just told us the truth.

However, if there is evidence that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded with one another, then we need to take that absolutely serious.
 
TheGoverness said:
It was WikiLeaks that released those emails. And the fault for that does fall upon Hillary/the DNC. The leaks just told us the truth.

However, if there is evidence that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded with one another, then we need to take that absolutely serious.
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"...if there is evidence..."
 
MaggieD said:
He wasn't a "bad guy" until he ran for president...
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He led a bull**** movement declaring the sitting U.S. President illegal, null, and void; for 5 years!

He *is* a bad man. Undoubtedly.
 
Chomsky said:
He led a bull**** movement declaring the sitting U.S. President illegal, null, and void; for 5 years!

He *is* a bad man. Undoubtedly.
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Hey, now! What Trump did was a great service to our country! :2razz:
 
TheGoverness said:
Regarding the Comey firing situation, I think this was a screw-up on Trump's part. First of all, the very late timing of this firing makes this look suspicious (even if there isn't anything going on). And the alleged reasoning for firing him makes it look even worse. They claim the reasoning for Comey's firing, was for how he handled Clinton's classified e-mails. But if that's truly the case, then why didn't Trump fire him shortly after he was inaugurated? Why wait until 3-4 months later to do so? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

In conclusion, while this isn't anything solid that proves anything directly, the perception of it does look pretty bad. It's giving the impression that something might be going on (even if it isn't).

Thoughts?

EDIT: Whoops. Meant to post this in the General Political Discussion forum.
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Unlike when Nixon was tossed-out due to impending impeachment, I believe the GOP legislature will not move against him as long as he's popular with the GOP base.

But with yesterday's action, Trump may indeed have precipitated what he does not want under any circumstance: the installation of a special prosecutor.

I think the GOP will likely not do it currently, but Trump moved them closer. It needs political impetus in the GOP rank & file base in order to come to fruition.
 
TheGoverness said:
Hey, now! What Trump did was a great service to our country! :2razz:
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I was furious when Obama capitulated to the likes of Trump, by releasing his birth certificate.
 
TheGoverness said:
Regarding the Comey firing situation, I think this was a screw-up on Trump's part. First of all, the very late timing of this firing makes this look suspicious (even if there isn't anything going on). And the alleged reasoning for firing him makes it look even worse. They claim the reasoning for Comey's firing, was for how he handled Clinton's classified e-mails. But if that's truly the case, then why didn't Trump fire him shortly after he was inaugurated? Why wait until 3-4 months later to do so? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

In conclusion, while this isn't anything solid that proves anything directly, the perception of it does look pretty bad. It's giving the impression that something might be going on (even if it isn't).

Thoughts?

EDIT: Whoops. Meant to post this in the General Political Discussion forum.
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This was a bizarre addition to the termination letter:

"While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation,"

It's almost like Trump knows the **** is going to hit the fan and he's trying to cover himself... in a termination letter.
 
MaggieD said:
"...if there is evidence..."
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We are constantly assured that there must be such evidence and that investigations must be held until such evidence of collusion is discovered. There is no time limit to find said collusion other than when Trump is no longer POTUS. Hillary's alleged mishandling of classified data, on the other hand, was said to have been adequately investigated and was proven to have not been criminal by Comey alone thus he is forever believed to be an honorable man. Will the same power be vested in the next FBI director to unilaterally declare Trump cleared of any Russian collusion - I think not.
 
TheGoverness said:
Regarding the Comey firing situation, I think this was a screw-up on Trump's part. First of all, the very late timing of this firing makes this look suspicious (even if there isn't anything going on). And the alleged reasoning for firing him makes it look even worse. They claim the reasoning for Comey's firing, was for how he handled Clinton's classified e-mails. But if that's truly the case, then why didn't Trump fire him shortly after he was inaugurated? Why wait until 3-4 months later to do so? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

In conclusion, while this isn't anything solid that proves anything directly, the perception of it does look pretty bad. It's giving the impression that something might be going on (even if it isn't).

Thoughts?

EDIT: Whoops. Meant to post this in the General Political Discussion forum.
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As far as timing is concerned maybe it's taken this time to review everything Comey did, didn't do, said and didn't say. And maybe when Comey lied, misstated or misrepresented some facts about HRC email on Weiner's laptop to the Senate Judiciary Committee was the tip overboard.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yet again Trump struggles and fails as he tries to deal with reality. Trump is delusional, erratic, impulsive, irresponsible and inept. Trump is the apprentice. Trump is out of control.

Trump said in his letter to Comey that Comey told him three times that he was not under investigation. Comey did not tell Trump that. It was the voices in Trump's head who told Trump that.

The manner in which Comey was fired was pure bush league. Flynn, a possible threat to national security, was handled much differently than firing of Comey. Trump screwed the pooch again and made bad decisions again and made his own situation much worse. The investigations are now back in the forefront with calls for an independent special prosecutor coming from both sides of the aisle.

Trump reminds the world that Trump is unfit for the job.
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They probably were in response to Trump asking Comey... "Am I being investigated?"
 
Winchester said:
This was a bizarre addition to the termination letter:

"While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation,"

It's almost like Trump knows the **** is going to hit the fan and he's trying to cover himself... in a termination letter.
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Yes, that was pretty weird.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
"Legal, but with the appearance of impropriety."

That is going to be a reoccurring theme in Trump's presidency.
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Since when are libs concerned with the appearance of impropriety? :roll:
 
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