jimithyashford
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 6, 2016
- Messages
- 808
- Reaction score
- 156
- Location
- Midwestern USA
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Liberal
We've all heard that expression "where there is smoke there is fire" and while that doesn't always hold true, there comes a point at which the amount of smoke is so great that the existence of the fire is beyond plausible deniability.
At this point the shuffling around and outright removal of personnel close to the Trump/Russia investigation and/or which oppose Trump is so prolific that it breeches the bounds of reason for anyone to be "ok" with this, to condone it, or to not at this point be highly suspect.
A quick recap in roughly chronological order:
-Sally Yates warns White House about Mike Flynn and then refuses to enforce Islamic country travel restrictions. For one or both of those reasons, she was canned.
-Mike Flynn retroactively declares himself as an agent of the Turkish government.
-Mike Flynn resigns/is de facto fired. To this day has not yet testified but has offered to do so in exchange for immunity.
-New Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuses himself from Trump investigation.
-James Comey testifies before House committee that members of the Trump team are under active investigation in the Russian election interference case.
-House Committee immediately cancels all future hearings and the chair, Devon Nunez, recuses himself.
-Senate committee uncovers source of Mike Flynn's Turkish lobbying work may be a Russian funded front.
-Senate requests White House provide documentation regarding the vetting process of Mike Flynn to the oversight committee. The White House refuses a lawful request from the body tasked with their oversight.
-Within days senate oversight committee chairman Jason Chaffetz steps down and takes a leave of absence from Congress.
-James Comey has just been fired, story is very late breaking and exact details are not yet clear.
I mean, two committee chairs and the attorney general have recused themselves from the investigation, the House investigation has been indefinitely suspended, the national security adviser resigned, and both the attorney general and now FBI directed have been fired.
To any sensible person this reeks of massive cover up and creeping dictatorship. Bashing the press, slowly removing and replacing non-cooperative persons, refusing to cooperate with Constitutionally mandated oversight by the Senate, and grinding the House investigative body to a halt, all of that is like....dictatorship 101. Anyone with a sense of 20th and now 21st century history must be painfully aware of this fact. How could you not be? If this were happening in any other country on earth we'd be thanking our luck that we were born into a country where that kind of thing didn't fly....and yet here it is.
So I can understand a Trumper maybe finding a way to rationalize away one of those things, or two, or even three. I can understand them figuring out some mental device by which to be comfortable with any couple of items on that list....but at what point is is too much? At what point does even the most stubbornly entrenched Trump voter have to concede that there is just far far too much smoke for there to be no fire?
I hope the answer to that question is not "the point at which we are all on fire".
At this point the shuffling around and outright removal of personnel close to the Trump/Russia investigation and/or which oppose Trump is so prolific that it breeches the bounds of reason for anyone to be "ok" with this, to condone it, or to not at this point be highly suspect.
A quick recap in roughly chronological order:
-Sally Yates warns White House about Mike Flynn and then refuses to enforce Islamic country travel restrictions. For one or both of those reasons, she was canned.
-Mike Flynn retroactively declares himself as an agent of the Turkish government.
-Mike Flynn resigns/is de facto fired. To this day has not yet testified but has offered to do so in exchange for immunity.
-New Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuses himself from Trump investigation.
-James Comey testifies before House committee that members of the Trump team are under active investigation in the Russian election interference case.
-House Committee immediately cancels all future hearings and the chair, Devon Nunez, recuses himself.
-Senate committee uncovers source of Mike Flynn's Turkish lobbying work may be a Russian funded front.
-Senate requests White House provide documentation regarding the vetting process of Mike Flynn to the oversight committee. The White House refuses a lawful request from the body tasked with their oversight.
-Within days senate oversight committee chairman Jason Chaffetz steps down and takes a leave of absence from Congress.
-James Comey has just been fired, story is very late breaking and exact details are not yet clear.
I mean, two committee chairs and the attorney general have recused themselves from the investigation, the House investigation has been indefinitely suspended, the national security adviser resigned, and both the attorney general and now FBI directed have been fired.
To any sensible person this reeks of massive cover up and creeping dictatorship. Bashing the press, slowly removing and replacing non-cooperative persons, refusing to cooperate with Constitutionally mandated oversight by the Senate, and grinding the House investigative body to a halt, all of that is like....dictatorship 101. Anyone with a sense of 20th and now 21st century history must be painfully aware of this fact. How could you not be? If this were happening in any other country on earth we'd be thanking our luck that we were born into a country where that kind of thing didn't fly....and yet here it is.
So I can understand a Trumper maybe finding a way to rationalize away one of those things, or two, or even three. I can understand them figuring out some mental device by which to be comfortable with any couple of items on that list....but at what point is is too much? At what point does even the most stubbornly entrenched Trump voter have to concede that there is just far far too much smoke for there to be no fire?
I hope the answer to that question is not "the point at which we are all on fire".
Last edited: