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When Obama did this when he became president the GOP said he thus took responsibility for the war. It was Obama's war and no longer Bush's war. Will they say the same if Trump does increase troop strength in Afghanistan?
 
independentusa said:
When Obama did this when he became president the GOP said he thus took responsibility for the war. It was Obama's war and no longer Bush's war. Will they say the same if Trump does increase troop strength in Afghanistan?
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Anything short of declaring victory and pulling out all US military forces makes it "Trump's war". There is no quick military battle plan for "fixing" Afghanistan no matter what level of "allied" force is to be used. At best Afghanistan can become like South Korea - forever needing US aid and military forces in place.
 
afghanistan is like vietnam in that there is a neighboring country being used as a base of operations by the enemy we cant go into. This dynamic means things wont go well until pakistan cleans out the bad guys. good luck with that.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Anything short of declaring victory and pulling out all US military forces makes it "Trump's war". There is no quick military battle plan for "fixing" Afghanistan no matter what level of "allied" force is to be used. At best Afghanistan can become like South Korea - forever needing US aid and military forces in place.
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Three empires have tried and three have failed. Something about ignorance of history causing one to repeat it....
 
independentusa said:
When Obama did this when he became president the GOP said he thus took responsibility for the war. It was Obama's war and no longer Bush's war. Will they say the same if Trump does increase troop strength in Afghanistan?
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I didn't say that about Obama. Time to win that stinking war or get the hell out. Was then. Is now.
 
Rexedgar said:
Three empires have tried and three have failed. Something about ignorance of history causing one to repeat it....
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Yep, much like Vietnam - we can win every battle and still not win the war.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, much like Vietnam - we can win every battle and still not win the war.
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Leaving does a disservice to the blood and treasure we have spent up to now. Staying does a disservice to the living being asked to risk life and limb for a flawed, (if any), strategy. Only s****y choices.
 
independentusa said:
When Obama did this when he became president the GOP said he thus took responsibility for the war. It was Obama's war and no longer Bush's war. Will they say the same if Trump does increase troop strength in Afghanistan?
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Well Infinity War doesn't maintain itself. Good to see the Trump ain't breaking any molds, lol.
 
Rexedgar said:
Leaving does a disservice to the blood and treasure we have spent up to now. Staying does a disservice to the living being asked to risk life and limb for a flawed, (if any), strategy. Only s****y choices.
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That fact should have been realized long ago - you cannot fight an ideology that wears the uniform of civilians and has the support of millions of "non-combatants". The visible difference between a fry cook, mechanic or taxi driver and an Islamic extremist (terrorist) is simply what they are doing at the moment.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Anything short of declaring victory and pulling out all US military forces makes it "Trump's war". There is no quick military battle plan for "fixing" Afghanistan no matter what level of "allied" force is to be used. At best Afghanistan can become like South Korea - forever needing US aid and military forces in place.
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That would be a Trumpian thing to do, but it would be a hollow lie.

Let's get out. That is not a "nation" and we can't build one there. Bush should have left (at least pulled out ground forces) when bin Laden left. No mans land is what that is.
 
Porkuloss said:
That would be a Trumpian thing to do, but it would be a hollow lie.

Let's get out. That is not a "nation" and we can't build one there. Bush should have left (at least pulled out ground forces) when bin Laden left. No mans land is what that is.
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Is that not what Obama did in Iraq? It seems that you wanted Bush to do that when Bin Laden went missing.
 
If he sends more troops to Afghanistan is just another flip flop. After years of calling the war and the money spent there a waste, and saying we should get out. Saying he will 'bomb the ****' out of ISIS. But now he's going to use troops?

After campaigning with his 'America First' rhetoric? Saying we should use that money we will save by getting out of Afghanistan to 'rebuild America'. Now they may ramp up an unwinnable war?

More lies and broken promises.
 
one thing he will need to deal with is putins support of the taliban.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Is that not what Obama did in Iraq? It seems that you wanted Bush to do that when Bin Laden went missing.
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Yes. I never agreed with Obama's position that Afghanistan was somehow the 'good' war. I know it was just realpolitik, he couldn't run against McCain saying everything our military was doing at the time was ill-advised (though I believe it was).

I do admit to supporting the initial involvement in Afghanistan, but never nation building or even ground forces for the purpose of removing the Taliban. I always thought Iraq was a dumb neocon social engineering experiment.
 
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