• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Who thinks Multiculturism a problem?

poweRob

poweRob

USMC 1988-1996
Supporting Member
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Messages
83,677
Reaction score
58,345
Location
New Mexico
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
So I was called out in another thread to make this thread about multiculturism to discuss it.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism, what do you think America should do about it here?
 
There's Nothing America can do about it ... because America "IS" Multi-Cultured, whether anyone likes it or not.

Anyone who doesn't like it should go buy themselves an Island or Eat a Bullet.
 
poweRob said:
So I was called out in another thread to make this thread about multiculturism to discuss it.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism, what do you think America should do about it here?
Click to expand...

Yes, we obviously have a problem here. That's why we have groups like Black Lives Matter. Historically it's also been a big problem, thus the Civil Rights Movement, reparations, etc. It's certainly not been peaceful in this country.

That said, short of deporting minority citizens, which isn't and shouldn't happen, we have to ensure at least peaceful interaction so that we don't set off race riots and the like. The way to do that is through inculturation. Everyone should speak the same language, at the very least. In addition, I see no reason why we should be importing massive numbers of people who are very much unlike us. We can quibble about what the proper number should be, but our current levels which leaves cities like Los Angeles with a 40% foreign born population are clearly unsustainable. So I'll list my answer to a few short points:

1) Drastically lower immigration levels. Completely eliminate illegal immigration.
2) No welfare for any immigrants.
3) Eliminate welfare, or, if this is too intolerable, lower welfare benefits to single mothers. Single motherhood is the biggest issue facing minorities.
4) End affirmative action.
5) Repeal Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Restore freedom of association.

The biggest problem facing this country is a lack of cohesive culture. We have multiple cultures who don't like each other. I say that forcing interaction of people who don't like each other only leads to violence. See Boston during integration to see what I mean. Let's allow people to live as they want, and institute measures that improve failing cultures.
 
I don't have any problem with multiculturalism for the most part; different cultures diffusing together in a melting pot, and we all share the same core values, and we are tolerant of one another. We come from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds, but we all share the same national identity.

What I do have a problem with, is other cultures not wanting to assimilate, or willing to be tolerant of others, and basically trying to segregate themselves off.
 
Last edited:
TheGoverness said:
I don't have any problem with multiculturalism for the most part; different cultures diffuse together in a melting pot, and we all share the same core values, and we are tolerant of one another. What I do have a problem with is other cultures not wanting to assimilate, or tolerate other cultures, and segregating themselves off.
Click to expand...

Why to the bold? I don't have any problem with it as long as they don't break any laws; privacy, freedom, etc.
 
poweRob said:
So I was called out in another thread to make this thread about multiculturism to discuss it.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism, what do you think America should do about it here?
Click to expand...

I guess I consider myself to live kind of a multicultural lifestyle - my family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers are a mix of different people from different places and we all seem to get along just fine. I love it and have no problem with it. It's great to have a country where we can get a mix like that and just try and live a good life.
 
phattonez said:
Yes, we obviously have a problem here. That's why we have groups like Black Lives Matter. Historically it's also been a big problem, thus the Civil Rights Movement, reparations, etc. It's certainly not been peaceful in this country.

That said, short of deporting minority citizens, which isn't and shouldn't happen, we have to ensure at least peaceful interaction so that we don't set off race riots and the like. The way to do that is through inculturation. Everyone should speak the same language, at the very least. In addition, I see no reason why we should be importing massive numbers of people who are very much unlike us. We can quibble about what the proper number should be, but our current levels which leaves cities like Los Angeles with a 40% foreign born population are clearly unsustainable. So I'll list my answer to a few short points:

1) Drastically lower immigration levels. Completely eliminate illegal immigration.
2) No welfare for any immigrants.
3) Eliminate welfare, or, if this is too intolerable, lower welfare benefits to single mothers. Single motherhood is the biggest issue facing minorities.
4) End affirmative action.
5) Repeal Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Restore freedom of association.

The biggest problem facing this country is a lack of cohesive culture. We have multiple cultures who don't like each other. I say that forcing interaction of people who don't like each other only leads to violence. See Boston during integration to see what I mean. Let's allow people to live as they want, and institute measures that improve failing cultures.
Click to expand...

I have to strongly disagree, Toronto has a 50% foreign born population and does not suffer any of these problems and it has a very similar sized population to LA.
 
Absentglare said:
Why to the bold? I don't have any problem with it as long as they don't break any laws; privacy, freedom, etc.
Click to expand...

Because then they are not becoming part of larger society which is what immigrants should and need to do.
 
The solution is get in the pot and ****ing melt.
 
Absentglare said:
Why to the bold? I don't have any problem with it as long as they don't break any laws; privacy, freedom, etc.
Click to expand...

It's more of the fact that it's just not the kind of multiculturalism that I ascribe to. I don't much like the idea of separate cultures living side-by-side without integration, that don't intermingle, interact, or tolerate one another. That just doesn't work, and they've had similar policies like that in Europe, and those haven't done any good.
 
poweRob said:
So I was called out in another thread to make this thread about multiculturism to discuss it.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism, what do you think America should do about it here?
Click to expand...

It's great. If it is allowed to work.
 
Carjosse said:
I have to strongly disagree, Toronto has a 50% foreign born population and does not suffer any of these problems and it has a very similar sized population to LA.
Click to expand...

That is what my British freinds in London said years ago.
 
I don't have a problem with multiculturalism. Be a bit of a hypocrite if I was considering the Heinz 57 mutt that I am (Mostly Irish and Lithuanian with a smattering of damn near everything else in Western Europe).

I don't even have a problem if the cultures that come to America want to keep their traditions or to keep a cultural identity alive. That's fine and dandy as far as I'm concerned.

Where my problem lies is when people use their culture to try and change everyone else's culture to match theirs. Don't like [blank]? Then don't do [blank]. Just don't deny me my ability to enjoy [blank].

I also have a problem with the people who leave a country to get away from the horrible things that exist in their country...and then try to recreate the same horrible things in their new country. For example all the people in England who are trying to demand the same sharia laws that created the horrors they're trying to escape from.

That's as baffling as all the people who leave the cities to enjoy a simpler, quieter and safer life out in the rural areas...then urbanize them so they have all the conveniences of the urban life that they miss...then move away from the areas they created because their area is urbanized and attracting the problems that come with an urban setting.

You want to come here? Fine. You want to keep being your cultural heritage? Fine. Just don't try to change my way of life to match your ideals. I'm not of your culture and forcing me to change is like me trying to force you to change.
 
Hypnotoad said:
I also have a problem with the people who leave a country to get away from the horrible things that exist in their country...and then try to recreate the same horrible things in their new country. For example all the people in England who are trying to demand the same sharia laws that created the horrors they're trying to escape from.
Click to expand...

I agree with the bolded, and this is why assimilation is so important.
 
TheGoverness said:
It's more of the fact that it's just not the kind of multiculturalism that I ascribe to. I don't much like the idea of separate cultures living side-by-side without integration, that don't intermingle, interact, or tolerate one another. That just doesn't work, and they've had similar policies like that in Europe, and those haven't done any good.
Click to expand...

It's like everywhere I've lived. The elite don't have much to do with the lower classes, the Italians live in an other ghetto than the Jews or Irishmen and there are very few Blacks living on DAR Street. The Persians are at least as successful as Whites but in both England and France that have taken very different paths towards integratiin, there remain some grave problems in second and third generations. And the gangsters in Hollywood movies don't have Italian or irish names for nothing. But Obama was President as was Kennedy or is Trump.
 
Carjosse said:
Because then they are not becoming part of larger society which is what immigrants should and need to do.
Click to expand...

Sure they are. I was raised in a high school that was 70% Asian American. Many of my peers spoke to one another in Mandarin, but i never thought that that would be a valid reason to criticize them. They're free to speak Mandarin and keep me out of their conversation. I wasn't offended by the fact that they aren't always speaking English, that would be silly.
 
TheGoverness said:
It's more of the fact that it's just not the kind of multiculturalism that I ascribe to. I don't much like the idea of separate cultures living side-by-side without integration, that don't intermingle, interact, or tolerate one another. That just doesn't work, and they've had similar policies like that in Europe, and those haven't done any good.
Click to expand...

What do you mean they "haven't done any good"? Do you think Syrian refugees would be better off in Syria?
 
Absentglare said:
Sure they are. I was raised in a high school that was 70% Asian American. Many of my peers spoke to one another in Mandarin, but i never thought that that would be a valid reason to criticize them. They're free to speak Mandarin and keep me out of their conversation. I wasn't offended by the fact that they aren't always speaking English, that would be silly.
Click to expand...

That is not isolating yourself, what I am referring to is communities who isolate themselves and make no effort to be come part of a larger society. If they went to a Mandarin language school and lived in all-Chinese neighborhood, then that would be isolating themselves from larger society.
 
Absentglare said:
What do you mean they "haven't done any good"? Do you think Syrian refugees would be better off in Syria?
Click to expand...

"Hasn't done any good", meaning that many of these immigrants aren't integrating with the larger society of the countries they've fled to, rather they are isolating themselves.
 
Carjosse said:
I have to strongly disagree, Toronto has a 50% foreign born population and does not suffer any of these problems and it has a very similar sized population to LA.
Click to expand...

Toronto is 67% white, 10% Chinese, and 6% South Asian. These 3 groups comprise nearly 85% of the population and are known to get along together without much crime.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't have any problem with multiculturalism for the most part; different cultures diffusing together in a melting pot, and we all share the same core values, and we are tolerant of one another. We come from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds, but we all share the same national identity.

What I do have a problem with, is other cultures not wanting to assimilate, or willing to be tolerant of others, and basically trying to segregate themselves off.
Click to expand...

Germany is becoming more dependent on Syrian and other foreign doctors. I would say they are doing Germany some good. I'm not sure that intermingling is so critical to doing a society good as opposed to actual positive impact through their work and productivity.

Syrian Doctors Are Saving German Lives — and That?s a Problem | Foreign Policy
 
Carjosse said:
That is not isolating yourself, what I am referring to is communities who isolate themselves and make no effort to be come part of a larger society. If they went to a Mandarin language school and lived in all-Chinese neighborhood, then that would be isolating themselves from larger society.
Click to expand...

That is an act of isolation, what you seem to be condemning. I am challenging this isolation criticism because i find it to be so dubiously defined.

If i decide to go full Walden, i would not recognize criticism of that choice. Freedom and privacy are more important than culture wars.
 
TheGoverness said:
"Hasn't done any good", meaning that many of these immigrants aren't integrating with the larger society of the countries they've fled to, rather they are isolating themselves.
Click to expand...

I'm still not clear what European policies are responsible for complete isolation (something which i doubt is even possible). Can you please provide a specific example?

I think it's pretty good for Syrian refugees to have a place to live that isn't a war zone.
 
poweRob said:
So I was called out in another thread to make this thread about multiculturism to discuss it.

If you have a problem with multiculturalism, what do you think America should do about it here?
Click to expand...

I suppose we could horribly mistreat immigrants until they shed all outward signs of their prior culture, like we did a century ago. Well, not quite, because of minimum wage and other labor/health/safety laws.



More seriously, people need to stop pretending there ever has been just the one "American" culture. An inner-city resident has always been quite different from a rural resident, although ostensibly still generally American.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom